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		<title>By: amberpaw</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2008/03/more-on-st-john-prepared-remarks-not-delivered/#comment-114782</link>
		<dc:creator>amberpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[I am sure further revision is needed, so pardon my sharing &quot;as is&quot; - Deb]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Bach&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Harmonies
Candlelight
Many voices&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Painting with Sound
Creating with Harmonies&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;String and wind and voice
Woven into music
Harmonic Fires with Ruby Hearts
and Silver traceries in the mind.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Pounded keys
wind-created jewels in the mind
spinning like flames within the soul,
flowing, like the water of life but only in the mind.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Your long-darkend eyes beneath their tufted brows,
still watch, still listen, still an Elder Shepard,
Watching over all who perform you music
from some other realm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Silently, the your distant, unseen lips move, the eyes
gleam
like silver and flame in the darkness of the mystery of time
your baton, invisible but still palpable, blesses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Music was born in your hands and mind and soul&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;in those soul- fires
 were shaped
 harmonies, that continue to come forth
 now, new and old.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Water and Wood
Wind and Fire
Shaper of Music and the Soul.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Deborah Sirotkin Butler
March, 2008&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I am sure further revision is needed, so pardon my sharing "as is" - Deb]</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Bach</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Harmonies<br />
Candlelight<br />
Many voices</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Painting with Sound<br />
Creating with Harmonies</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;String and wind and voice<br />
Woven into music<br />
Harmonic Fires with Ruby Hearts<br />
and Silver traceries in the mind.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Pounded keys<br />
wind-created jewels in the mind<br />
spinning like flames within the soul,<br />
flowing, like the water of life but only in the mind.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Your long-darkend eyes beneath their tufted brows,<br />
still watch, still listen, still an Elder Shepard,<br />
Watching over all who perform you music<br />
from some other realm.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Silently, the your distant, unseen lips move, the eyes<br />
gleam<br />
like silver and flame in the darkness of the mystery of time<br />
your baton, invisible but still palpable, blesses.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Music was born in your hands and mind and soul</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;in those soul- fires<br />
 were shaped<br />
 harmonies, that continue to come forth<br />
 now, new and old.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Water and Wood<br />
Wind and Fire<br />
Shaper of Music and the Soul.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Deborah Sirotkin Butler<br />
March, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: justice4all</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2008/03/more-on-st-john-prepared-remarks-not-delivered/#comment-114783</link>
		<dc:creator>justice4all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and thank you for sharing both. &#160;Your voice and spirituality is a sharing of time and treasure for all who hear you and &quot;read&quot; you. &#160;This capped off my Sunday, Charlie. &#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Have you ever heard of St. Paul&#039;s Boy&#039;s Choir in Cambridge? &#160;My son sang there for four years, and it was an incredible journey for our entire family. &#160; &#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and thank you for sharing both. &nbsp;Your voice and spirituality is a sharing of time and treasure for all who hear you and &#8220;read&#8221; you. &nbsp;This capped off my Sunday, Charlie. &nbsp;</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Have you ever heard of St. Paul&#8217;s Boy&#8217;s Choir in Cambridge? &nbsp;My son sang there for four years, and it was an incredible journey for our entire family. &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: elfpix</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2008/03/more-on-st-john-prepared-remarks-not-delivered/#comment-114784</link>
		<dc:creator>elfpix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You do know that Jews were not permitted inside the town gates during Sebastian&#039;s time in Leipzig, no?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;There is, still at present, no written evidence about how Sebastian felt about Jews, being as there is hardly a scrap of evidence about how he felt about much except alcohol, gifts from friends, his spouse and children, his standards for musical performance and his legacy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;But it is pretty clear that the pietism of his age was attractive to him, his favorite bible was a heavily annotated pietistic one, and the pietistic texts of his age held his musical imagination, as we can see from the Kantaten and the Passionen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;As I get older, having spent nearly 45 years now in the thrall of the Johannespassion, I find myself pulled hard towards and away from the exquisite harshness of it. &#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;I&#039;ve come to the point now where I don&#039;t want to hear any more of it after Ach, mein Sinn.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Which version did you do this year?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know that Jews were not permitted inside the town gates during Sebastian&#8217;s time in Leipzig, no?</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;There is, still at present, no written evidence about how Sebastian felt about Jews, being as there is hardly a scrap of evidence about how he felt about much except alcohol, gifts from friends, his spouse and children, his standards for musical performance and his legacy.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;But it is pretty clear that the pietism of his age was attractive to him, his favorite bible was a heavily annotated pietistic one, and the pietistic texts of his age held his musical imagination, as we can see from the Kantaten and the Passionen.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;As I get older, having spent nearly 45 years now in the thrall of the Johannespassion, I find myself pulled hard towards and away from the exquisite harshness of it. &nbsp;</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;I&#8217;ve come to the point now where I don&#8217;t want to hear any more of it after Ach, mein Sinn.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Which version did you do this year?</p>
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		<title>By: charley-on-the-mta</title>
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		<dc:creator>charley-on-the-mta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;but I&#039;m not surprised. I don&#039;t expect that Bach was outside of the mainstream of Lutheranism in terms of anti-Semitism; if that hewed closely to Luther&#039;s own thoughts he would be extremely anti-Semitic indeed. But as John Harbison pointed out, that seems &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; to have been Bach&#039;s agenda in this Passion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;I think we used the 1724 version ... or the 1740 version, which is pretty much the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I&#8217;m not surprised. I don&#8217;t expect that Bach was outside of the mainstream of Lutheranism in terms of anti-Semitism; if that hewed closely to Luther&#8217;s own thoughts he would be extremely anti-Semitic indeed. But as John Harbison pointed out, that seems <strong>not</strong> to have been Bach&#8217;s agenda in this Passion.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;I think we used the 1724 version &#8230; or the 1740 version, which is pretty much the same.</p>
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		<title>By: elfpix</title>
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		<dc:creator>elfpix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And what did he think was the agenda? &#160;Or more to the point - how did he express his thoughts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;(On the other pretty inevitable thread - you guys must miss Craig. &#160;I&#039;m deeply sorry for your loss. &#160;What a blow. &#160;Do everything you can to keep our little redheaded Peter healthy, now! &#160;We need a Bach like him in our world!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what did he think was the agenda? &nbsp;Or more to the point &#8211; how did he express his thoughts.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;(On the other pretty inevitable thread &#8211; you guys must miss Craig. &nbsp;I&#8217;m deeply sorry for your loss. &nbsp;What a blow. &nbsp;Do everything you can to keep our little redheaded Peter healthy, now! &nbsp;We need a Bach like him in our world!)</p>
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		<title>By: kbusch</title>
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		<dc:creator>kbusch</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Harbison led the Cantata Singers in the St. John&#039;s Passion last year. I was struck by the severity of the performance.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Harbison led the Cantata Singers in the St. John&#8217;s Passion last year. I was struck by the severity of the performance.</p>
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		<title>By: elfpix</title>
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		<dc:creator>elfpix</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a very severe work, actually. &#160;Very urgent. &#160;If Harbison&#039;s interpretation cut to the quick and ran the chorales right the audience should be pretty wound up by the lullabye at the end, despite that most of them haven&#039;t a clue that it is a lullabye.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Bach&#039;s parishoners in Leipzig were quite correct. &#160;They recognized opera when it confronted them and called it what it was. &#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;Poor guy. &#160;He didn&#039;t want to compose opera, wasn&#039;t interested in the superficiality of the story lines. &#160;But drama was more or less the motif of his life.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very severe work, actually. &nbsp;Very urgent. &nbsp;If Harbison&#8217;s interpretation cut to the quick and ran the chorales right the audience should be pretty wound up by the lullabye at the end, despite that most of them haven&#8217;t a clue that it is a lullabye.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Bach&#8217;s parishoners in Leipzig were quite correct. &nbsp;They recognized opera when it confronted them and called it what it was. &nbsp;</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;Poor guy. &nbsp;He didn&#8217;t want to compose opera, wasn&#8217;t interested in the superficiality of the story lines. &nbsp;But drama was more or less the motif of his life.</p>
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