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		<title>By: oceandreams</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294280</link>
		<dc:creator>oceandreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we&#039;re talking about the value of private-sector experience in making government decisions. I&#039;m in the private sector, have been my whole career, am a mid-level manager in my department and have been involved In hiring decisions from time to time. 

If someone comes in for a job interview and tells us that his major qualification for the position is his experience creating jobs, &lt;em&gt;then I&#039;m going to be interested in details of that experience&lt;/em&gt; and I&#039;d like to know he&#039;s not lying about it, in addition to deciding whether the claimed skill set, character and strengths match what I need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re talking about the value of private-sector experience in making government decisions. I&#8217;m in the private sector, have been my whole career, am a mid-level manager in my department and have been involved In hiring decisions from time to time. </p>
<p>If someone comes in for a job interview and tells us that his major qualification for the position is his experience creating jobs, <em>then I&#8217;m going to be interested in details of that experience</em> and I&#8217;d like to know he&#8217;s not lying about it, in addition to deciding whether the claimed skill set, character and strengths match what I need.</p>
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		<title>By: kbusch</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294278</link>
		<dc:creator>kbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we are not.

I hope that clears things up for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we are not.</p>
<p>I hope that clears things up for you.</p>
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		<title>By: merrimackguy</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294249</link>
		<dc:creator>merrimackguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and this post even stupider.

Who cares about this? No one who is an undecided vote.

Every company in the US that could has moved jobs overseas.

Are you going to blast every CEO?

Romney is just throwing a ton of stuff up there and some of it is sticking. Obama did it last time and it worked out okay, at least enough to get him elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and this post even stupider.</p>
<p>Who cares about this? No one who is an undecided vote.</p>
<p>Every company in the US that could has moved jobs overseas.</p>
<p>Are you going to blast every CEO?</p>
<p>Romney is just throwing a ton of stuff up there and some of it is sticking. Obama did it last time and it worked out okay, at least enough to get him elected.</p>
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		<title>By: SomervilleTom</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294243</link>
		<dc:creator>SomervilleTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll post where and when I choose.</description>
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		<title>By: kbusch</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294238</link>
		<dc:creator>kbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Jindal recently lobbed this sharp accusation against our President. And perhaps business acumen is precisely what this country requires. After all there has been a recent business leader, worth $5.9 billion and the sixth richest man in his country. He had numerous election victories. He has been the longest serving Prime Minister. A clear model for today’s Republicans in his honesty and moral rectitude.

His name is Silvio Berlusconi.

(Originally posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/05/obama-hasnt-even-run-a-lemonade-stand/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Jindal recently lobbed this sharp accusation against our President. And perhaps business acumen is precisely what this country requires. After all there has been a recent business leader, worth $5.9 billion and the sixth richest man in his country. He had numerous election victories. He has been the longest serving Prime Minister. A clear model for today’s Republicans in his honesty and moral rectitude.</p>
<p>His name is Silvio Berlusconi.</p>
<p>(Originally posted <a href="http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/05/obama-hasnt-even-run-a-lemonade-stand/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294226</link>
		<dc:creator>johnk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just keep it reality based and I don&#039;t think you&#039;d have a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just keep it reality based and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d have a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294224</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaa</p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294221</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for running to Dave and Bob about my posts being over the line.  Are you the BMG hall monitor, trying to get me suspended?  I wonder if calling someone naïveté is warrants a yellow or red card?  

Consider this my last post to you and I hope vice-versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for running to Dave and Bob about my posts being over the line.  Are you the BMG hall monitor, trying to get me suspended?  I wonder if calling someone naïveté is warrants a yellow or red card?  </p>
<p>Consider this my last post to you and I hope vice-versa.</p>
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		<title>By: SomervilleTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomervilleTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think the private sector is better at meeting budgets than the public, then you haven&#039;t spent much time in the private sector.

Meanwhile, a little economics 101: governments are not private business (or personal households). Mitt Romney is running for president, not CEO. Let me remind you that we are in a thread where the WAPO has demolished Mitt Romney&#039;s claims of creating jobs.

President Obama&#039;s record on the economy is stellar, especially in comparison with the failed proposals of both John McCain and Mitt Romney (see GM). Barack Obama rescued an economy &lt;b&gt;DESTROYED&lt;/b&gt; by the same failed GOP dogma that Mitt Romney now promotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think the private sector is better at meeting budgets than the public, then you haven&#8217;t spent much time in the private sector.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, a little economics 101: governments are not private business (or personal households). Mitt Romney is running for president, not CEO. Let me remind you that we are in a thread where the WAPO has demolished Mitt Romney&#8217;s claims of creating jobs.</p>
<p>President Obama&#8217;s record on the economy is stellar, especially in comparison with the failed proposals of both John McCain and Mitt Romney (see GM). Barack Obama rescued an economy <b>DESTROYED</b> by the same failed GOP dogma that Mitt Romney now promotes.</p>
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		<title>By: kbusch</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294216</link>
		<dc:creator>kbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFTT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFTT</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294214</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://bluemassgroup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294213</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2008, not 20008.  
&quot;where budgets are met&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2008, not 20008.<br />
&#8220;where budgets are met&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294212</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have hammered Clinton/Kennedy/Kerry supporting NAFTA and GATT and likely the only one here to mention it.  That what you mean?

You must admit, what Obama/Axelrod did to Clinton in 20008, almost making out to be David Duke&#039;s twin brother, was reprehensible.  Clinton is a better man than I thought for even being on the same stage but that is another story.

Back to Mitt and his money.  He didn&#039;t make it gambling, or earning interest on dads trust fund, or marry it like Kerry.  He did it the old fashion way, he earned it in the private sector, where budgets ate metro or you go out of business.  If this election is about Mitt&#039;s record in the private economy, he will win by 10 pts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hammered Clinton/Kennedy/Kerry supporting NAFTA and GATT and likely the only one here to mention it.  That what you mean?</p>
<p>You must admit, what Obama/Axelrod did to Clinton in 20008, almost making out to be David Duke&#8217;s twin brother, was reprehensible.  Clinton is a better man than I thought for even being on the same stage but that is another story.</p>
<p>Back to Mitt and his money.  He didn&#8217;t make it gambling, or earning interest on dads trust fund, or marry it like Kerry.  He did it the old fashion way, he earned it in the private sector, where budgets ate metro or you go out of business.  If this election is about Mitt&#8217;s record in the private economy, he will win by 10 pts.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294210</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He made some mistakes and signed some bad bills, but overall he did a good job in his two terms as president, including presiding over the best economy in decades.  He wants Obama to win, and so do I.

Mitt Romney was very good at making money for himself and his buddies - nobody is disputing that, nor could they.  Hardly a presidential qualification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He made some mistakes and signed some bad bills, but overall he did a good job in his two terms as president, including presiding over the best economy in decades.  He wants Obama to win, and so do I.</p>
<p>Mitt Romney was very good at making money for himself and his buddies &#8211; nobody is disputing that, nor could they.  Hardly a presidential qualification.</p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294209</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me Obama always reminds us the mess GWB left him.  
It is true, Obama has no private sector experience, so what is your response?  He practiced it in theory at Harvard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me Obama always reminds us the mess GWB left him.<br />
It is true, Obama has no private sector experience, so what is your response?  He practiced it in theory at Harvard?</p>
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		<title>By: danfromwaltham</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294208</link>
		<dc:creator>danfromwaltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David- you just validated Pres. Clinton.  What you are trying to say is Mitt Romney has first hand knowledge of foreign markets, basically their strengths and weaknesses, why jobs come and go etc.  So if we elect him POTUS, he will know what to correct in order to attract more private sector jobs to the USA.  He may be the most qualified candidate ever.  

Another great read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David- you just validated Pres. Clinton.  What you are trying to say is Mitt Romney has first hand knowledge of foreign markets, basically their strengths and weaknesses, why jobs come and go etc.  So if we elect him POTUS, he will know what to correct in order to attract more private sector jobs to the USA.  He may be the most qualified candidate ever.  </p>
<p>Another great read!</p>
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		<title>By: kbusch</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294207</link>
		<dc:creator>kbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In preparing for my series on Romney&#039;s mendacity, one thing stands out. He repeats the same falsehoods quite regularly. Likewise, he shows excellent message discipline. His argument is something like this:

 * The recovery has been slower than it should be.
 * One reason: Obama&#039;s bad policies (regulation, expanding the public sector, etc.)
 * Another reason: Obama has no private sector experience so he has no idea how to create jobs.
 * For me, Romney, creating jobs was my job.

There are a number of counters to this:

 * If not for Republican opposition and obstructionism, the recovery would have been faster.
 * The public sector has shrunk significantly over the past few years.
 * In this economy, regulation can have two very good effects: It can prevent another financial meltdown. It can force companies sitting on cash to invest in technology to meet regulatory requirements.
 * Growing national employment requires different expertise than growing a company.
 * Romney&#039;s job was outsourcing jobs, not creating them.

Those counters require steady repetition, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In preparing for my series on Romney&#8217;s mendacity, one thing stands out. He repeats the same falsehoods quite regularly. Likewise, he shows excellent message discipline. His argument is something like this:</p>
<p> * The recovery has been slower than it should be.<br />
 * One reason: Obama&#8217;s bad policies (regulation, expanding the public sector, etc.)<br />
 * Another reason: Obama has no private sector experience so he has no idea how to create jobs.<br />
 * For me, Romney, creating jobs was my job.</p>
<p>There are a number of counters to this:</p>
<p> * If not for Republican opposition and obstructionism, the recovery would have been faster.<br />
 * The public sector has shrunk significantly over the past few years.<br />
 * In this economy, regulation can have two very good effects: It can prevent another financial meltdown. It can force companies sitting on cash to invest in technology to meet regulatory requirements.<br />
 * Growing national employment requires different expertise than growing a company.<br />
 * Romney&#8217;s job was outsourcing jobs, not creating them.</p>
<p>Those counters require steady repetition, too.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  You say that if Verizon had to hire US workers, they wouldn&#039;t be able to sell their phones in the US, thereby forcing them out of the most lucrative market in the world.

I say, balderdash.  Verizon wants - needs - to sell its phones here, and they will find a way to do it.  No way will they price themselves out of the US market.  They are clever folks - they&#039;ll find a way.  They&#039;re &lt;a href=&quot;http://moneyland.time.com/2012/06/18/the-new-math-on-smartphone-plans-providers/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;already working on it&lt;/a&gt;.

Personally, I find your lack of faith in the ingenuity of American business people to be disconcerting. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  You say that if Verizon had to hire US workers, they wouldn&#8217;t be able to sell their phones in the US, thereby forcing them out of the most lucrative market in the world.</p>
<p>I say, balderdash.  Verizon wants &#8211; needs &#8211; to sell its phones here, and they will find a way to do it.  No way will they price themselves out of the US market.  They are clever folks &#8211; they&#8217;ll find a way.  They&#8217;re <a href="http://moneyland.time.com/2012/06/18/the-new-math-on-smartphone-plans-providers/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">already working on it</a>.</p>
<p>Personally, I find your lack of faith in the ingenuity of American business people to be disconcerting. <img src='http://bluemassgroup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: seascraper</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/06/wapo-demolishes-romneys-job-creation-claims/#comment-294202</link>
		<dc:creator>seascraper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you rather talk to a human in India or a computer in the USA? 

I&#039;m not wild about such an economy but that is basically the choice. If you told Verizon they could only hire call center workers in the USA, you would never get anybody on the phone. They just wouldn&#039;t hire the workers. 

If you demanded that Verizon hire USA workers for jobs formerly outsourced, they would jack up the price of phones until most people could not buy them. 

If you demand that Verizon sell phones for cheaper, they would stop selling phones. How is that good?

Let&#039;s think these things through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you rather talk to a human in India or a computer in the USA? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not wild about such an economy but that is basically the choice. If you told Verizon they could only hire call center workers in the USA, you would never get anybody on the phone. They just wouldn&#8217;t hire the workers. </p>
<p>If you demanded that Verizon hire USA workers for jobs formerly outsourced, they would jack up the price of phones until most people could not buy them. </p>
<p>If you demand that Verizon sell phones for cheaper, they would stop selling phones. How is that good?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think these things through.</p>
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