I like …
Although I think we could hear a bit more about what exactly the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau does. Tell a story, not just testimonies … do a little voter education. I don’t think that’s too much for folks to handle.
New Warren ad
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| Fri, Aug 17, 2012
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Wall Streeter Scott Brown wants to take the country back to 2008 and the policies of fellow Republican George W. Bush. Warren offers a change from the second-generation professional politician and member of the Beacon Hill Boys Club. - promoted by Bob_Neer
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44 Comments . Leave a comment below.of wanting to put us all back in chains like VP. Cheapskate has accused Romney of wanting to do. To that, I give her credit.
she has the better of the argument. So instead of bland nothings and embarrassing deep kissing that Brown promotes for his candidacy along with Democrats that have long left the Party in their political beliefs Prof Warren lays out legislative relief for people who are suffering. Dan you may want to consider her as your senator. You know she will act in your interest.
That would go a long way with me. Do you know?
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That is absurd. Get a hold of yourself, Dan.
dollars in Student debt and how terrible that is.
First off, maybe they have so much debt because teachers like EW are being paid $350,000 to teach ONE CLASS!!!!
Secondly, maybe students need to go to schools they can afford instead of which schools have the best parties. Not everyone has to go to BU at $52,000/year.
Third, go work for a year or two and save your money, then go to school.
Harvard has a 100 million endowment and making earnings elsewhere along with their tax free status. Professeurs at the top of their game should be paid well. The $350,000 reflects past income. We don’t know her present salary. Are you saying we shouldn’t pay our nationally renowned scholars well. Do physicians get paid too much? Do athletes get paid too much? For someone who believes in “free enterprise” your comment seems off.
Harvard pays its professors well, and thus is arguably the #1 university in the world with far more students trying to get in that it can instruct, especially at the Law School, where Warren teaches.
Scott Brown is a second-generation professional politician. The only thing he knows how to do, work-wise, is cash government paychecks.
Since I am sure you don’t want to argue against the free market, you should be more supportive of the private sector candidate Warren and apply more critical thinking to the achievements of Beacon Hill Boys Club member Brown.
is how much the wingnuts object to it.
I don’t know how much EW made for how many classes, so a cite on that one would be nice. Yes, education not being quite so expensive in the first place would also be nice, but for those of us already in debt that ship has sailed.
It’s a competitive world, and the schools with the best reputations are often the most expensive. The comment about parties wasn’t called for as I generally don’t associate the most expensive schools with partying.
I DID work before going back for my graduate education which put me into debt on the theory that I could get better work. Asking people to pay for education out of pocket is like asking them to pay for a car or home out of pocket – not going to happen despite being pretty much life necessities these days.
Other countries practically pay their people to get an education, so once again the USA is lagging in this area.
Are you selfishly saying all you care about is you and not the current/future students?
It is a competitive world and graduates from UMASS can make great starting salaries. There are plenty of cites showing which schools actually get better paid jobs. This one from 2009 shows Loma Linda University beating Harvard, Yale, MIT and at much less tuition.
I didn’t ask people to pay out of pocket. I borrowed for my college, all my kids borrowed, all my younger kids will be borrowing. BUT… some schools were simply “off the list” no mater how badly my kids wanted to go there.
Speaking of being out of touch, you are totally out of touch if you don’t think students (encouraged by moronic parents) pick schools for partying. I counsel many parents/kids about college selection and “school colors/uniforms”, where their boyfriend/girlfriend goes, partying/sex record… weigh heavily on where they go. Do you also know how many kids go the “5 year plan” in college, again due to little pressure from parents saying to “enjoy this time in your life, it won’t happen again…”. A 2009 study found…
Other countries…
Other countries beat criminals with bamboo sticks, other countries don’t allow women to vote, other countries decide what school you will go to and what major you will study, other countries pay 0% of their GDP for Defense, other countries pay 0% of their GDP for social services, other countries do a lot of things that are good and a lot that are bad… but that has nothing to do with how we do things. You can cookie cut how some countries do things and plug them into our economy/society.
You CANNOT cookie cut how some countries do things and plug them into our economy/society.
First off John, let’s not forget that UMass and their graduates did not build a more inexpensive college–the taxpayers of this state did.
Secondly, maybe you have come across some parents who encourage their kids to go to the best party college, or spend another year in college. But to suggest–as you do–that that is the standard criteria they us is laughable and demonstrates how your thought process can be diverted by the shiny little objects that are cast your way.
Scott Brown has voted to increase college expense multiple times. Elizabeth Warren is not the reason why college is expensive. Electing Scott Brown won’t make student’s party less.
This entire exchange exemplifies the desire of GOP supporters to avoid discussing the very real differences that separate Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown.
We (the US government) don’t need to spend any more money on College education. Your party wants to simply pour magic fairy dust over people’s bad decisions (school debt, over extended mortgages, personal debt…) and make it go away. Too bad, you own it. People were not forced to buy any of these things, they used their free will to buy, buy, buy… so let them pay, pay, pay!
So you support Scott Brown’s proposals to increase college expenses. Fair enough. Scott Brown thinks college should cost more. Elizabeth Warren thinks college should cost less. The voters will choose.
Is “magic fair dust” different from the magic asterisks that make Paul Ryan’s budget work?
and his statement…
One of the reasons is ElizabethWarren making $350,000 to teach a single class at Harvard. No wonder it’s so expensive.
Another reasons…
http://bostonherald.com/projects/your_tax_dollars.bg?%20that's%20right,%20pensions.%20Nobody,%20not%20even%20my%20right%20wing%20friends%20and%20me,%20are%20against%20well%20funded/designed%20pension%20plans.%20But%20this%20link%20shows%20the%20top%2020%20pensions%20in%20MA%20and%20they%20are%20all%20for%20MA%20Secondary%20Schools%20with%20the%20likes%20of%20Billy%20Bulger%20(#6)%20making%20$198,925%20a%20year%20(for%20how%20many%20years???).%20PATHETIC!!!%20You%20and%20your%20kids%20are%20paying%20tuition%20so%20Billy%20B%20can%20get%20$16,577/month,%20Aaron%20Lazare%20from%20UMASS%20Med%20can%20make%20$20,233/month…%20How%20many%20student’s%20tuition%20does%20it%20take%20to%20pay%20for%20these%20guys?%20And%20you%20guys%20are%20ok%20with%20this,%20that’s%20immoral.%3C/p%3E%3Cp%3Esrc=Pensions2012%23page=1&results_per_page=20&order_by=annual_pension%20desc&src=Pensions2012&action=get_data&payroll_search=&job_title_at_retirement=
That’s right, pensions. Nobody, not even my right wing friends and me, are against well funded/designed pension plans. But this link shows the top 20 pensions in MA and they are all for MA Secondary Schools with the likes of Billy Bulger (#6) making $198,925 a year (for how many years???). PATHETIC!!! You and your kids are paying tuition so Billy B can get $16,577/month, Aaron Lazare from UMASS Med can make $20,233/month… How many student’s tuition does it take to pay for these guys? And you guys are ok with this, that’s immoral.
These pigs collecting obscene pensions pay zero state
income taxes. I suggested we start taxing pensions over $50K and all got was guff.
they would embrace since it delineates the “regular” pension people from the abuses like these.
Senator Brown voted multiple times to block legislation that would stop Stafford Loan rates from doubling — votes whose impact was immediate.
How’s that bill “curbing rising college tuition costs” progressing? Can you provide any information on what he’s done to make it anything more than another diversion from the actual impact of Senator Brown’s voting record?
I guess that is how legislation works, you vote against something until the bill gets better, then you vote for it.
That is the beauty of Scott Brown, he forces the poison pills out of the leglislation and gets a better bill passed.
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somewhere else. stormv didn’t realize he faced a hurricane.
How can he call himself a Red Sox fan?
And, by the way, how much is his state pension from his work as a second-generation professional politician in the legislature?
Check out the seats when the camera is on the fans and notice how comfortable they look. Guess what, they are b/c I sat in them.
No politician in MA should be getting ant type of pension, including Brownie.
Are you trying to lose the election for the guy?
First, his handle is “stomv”.
Second, he blew you away.
Third, at the risk of treading on BMG’s TOS, I’d say “puff of fetid air” is more apt than “hurricane”.
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The cost to students won’t go up, but the price remains unaffected. I do agree with trying to keep loan rates from going up, and so does Elizabeth Warren. The only difference between them is how that should be paid for.
However, separate from the loan issue, I’d also like to know why university costs have gone up so much more than most other costs. I find it mildly entertaining that Republican Scott Brown thinks colleges should post their “tax returns” online in order to increase transparency, just at the same time his party’s presidential nominee is doing everything he can to block calls for tax return transparency himself (since Romney/Ryan are running on a plan to lower tax rates for the wealthy, who appear to already be paying a lower rate than I am, I’m rather interested in his existing overall tax rate). But I’m baffled by what Brown thinks this will accomplish. Non-profits don’t pay federal taxes and they don’t file conventional “tax returns.” They file IRS Form 990s, which are already available online on sites like Guidestar.
Yes, it would be nice to have them available on a government Web site as well; but anyone with even basic knowledge of non-profits knows how to find the data. I can’t believe that posting Form 990s online on a government site in addition to having them readily available on other sites is going to increase transparency and magically lead to tuition costs going down. That second bill is either grandstanding or displaying a painful lack of knowledge, unless he thinks that for-profit colleges are the ones driving up tuition costs.
I think Warren’s overpaid, if that $350k figure is correct. It sounds plausible. And it’s totally nuts. Now, I’m guessing she gets paid in line with the other profs, who presumably could be making MAD BANK at one of the white-shoes. And it’s not like it’s her *fault* for getting paid like a Harvard Law prof when she’s a Harvard Law Prof.
But it is ironic that among Warren’s most idealistic students will be those who exit HLS with many thousands in loans to pay off; who will be essentially forced into indentured servitude at a big law firm, working for Mammon; who will be making money and paying down their loans before they can do anything for the good of humankind — if they ever do.
That’s not her fault, and it’s silly to blame her for that. But the game is f*d up.
According to ABC News, her salary for two years was $429,981. The rest was royalties from her books, speaking fees, and pay for advising the President. So her salary averaged $214,991 for 2010 and 2011. I could not find any reputable source saying that her salary was $350K. Yet another Republican lie.
Just to be clear, when a campaign gets something wrong they are lies but if Democrats gets something wrong, it’s an error, oversight or misconception.
Like this…
or
Do we have her tax returns to see exactly what she made in 2010 and then in 2011? How much from Harvard, how much from working for Obama… Would EW want finicial data to be delineated?
All I can find on EW, a proud “1%er” are statements like this…
Kudos to EW for keeping her effective tax rate below 25.84%, I guess she didn’t feel like paying the “buffet rule” 30%. What do you guys call someone who campaigns feverishly of things (like paying more taxes and taking less deductions) but then doesn’t pay more taxes and doesn’t take less deductions? Is it Mitt Romney who you are attack for doing this?
bottom line income data…
$831,000 in 2008
$1 million in 2009
$955,000 in 2010
$616,000 in 2011
She earned about $165,300 from September 2010 through August 2011 as a special adviser to President Obama, setting up the consumer protection agency she helped establish.
Not bad EW, not bad at all.
If someone has proof of what Harvard paid her contrary to the data I have, I’ll be glad to recognize my error or misconception/misunderstanding… Maybe I can copy Rachel Maddow’s terms for her mistake about Scott Brown being a “plagarist”!
I’m a “hack” because I tried to clarify what EW’s salary actually was, which contradicts the Republicans’ lie. Incidentally, the ABC numbers are the same as the ones reported by the Globe, the AP, the Herald, and every other non-hack source.
Yes. She filed the required financial disclosure forms that include that information, and are the source of all those news reports I linked to.
What data is that? You don’t actually say what you think her salary was, let alone give a source for whatever number is floating around in your head.
I didn’t dispute your sources, I asked for specific numbers. If I said I earned $500K over two years, that doesn’t mean I earned $250K/year, could be $400K and then $100K for a shortened year.
All I asked was do we have her Harvard income for these years seperately?
I’m pulling a Harry Reid and saying she makes $350K a year from Harvard and if she can prove she doesn’t then prove it. otherwise, that data stands (like Mitt not paying any taxes).
The news reports all say her total income for those two years was about 700K. The Republicans then start saying her Harvard salary was 350K/year. Given the royalties and consulting fees noted in those same reports, the 350K figure is blatantly false, or as we say in the real world, a lie.
Since your last sentence is as close as you’ve come to answering the question of what you think her salary was, you’re as full of feces as your leaders are.
For elite private U.S. universities with large endowment funds, fiscal 2011 was a very good year. After suffering a 30 percent decline in its endowment in 2008, Harvard University reported last month that its fund — the largest in the country — grew by $4.4 billion to $32 billion last year, reaping the university a 21.4 percent return on its investments. The high returns have some economists, lawyers, and even some lawmakers, questioning the merits of continuing to give deep-pocketed universities tax breaks at a time when federal and state budgets are starved for revenue.
Endowment funds are typically comprised of thousands of smaller funds established by individual donors. But once that money is donated, it is invested in a mix of stocks, bonds, private equity funds, hedge funds, and real assets at home and abroad.
As nonprofits, those investment returns are exempt from the 15 percent capital gains and dividends tax private companies, investors, and individuals pay on investment income — so long as that income is used to further the university’s tax-exempt function, in this case education. Universities, like all nonprofits, are also exempt from paying federal corporate income taxes, and state and local sales and property taxes.
You bring up Seamus, I mention BHO eating dog. You call Mitt stupid, I ask for a throw down of the transcripts of both candidates. I suppose I am the guardrails of BMG, just keeping things on track. So for now on, anyone still mentioning Mitt’s tax rate of 13%, you will force me to mention the pig in Cambridge paying no taxes when their endowment grows by $4 Billion in one year.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/10/07/The-Rich-University-The-Mother-of-all-Tax-Breaks.aspx#page1
to stomv.
Micheal Savage says liberalism is a mental disorder……
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To repeat my challenge from another thread, you should admit that Romney does have a problem with truth. Please, if you would and if you have not already, review his statements and actions on the abortion issue. They are remarkable.
Nah, let’s keep it on the economic issues.
but I don’t expect one so dishonorable to be intellectually honest.
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