I like Elizabeth Warren but her voice in other ads sounds like a hectoring schoolteacher. That is not only my opinion as I’ve heard it from others. She needed to get others to talk for her and this ad as well as another I saw on TV today do just that.
I’d been beginning to think that it would be no surprise if Brown won because his ads have been superlative, extremely effective at selling him. Warren’s ads need to step it up. This is a right step in that direction.
Ryansays
I like that it uses someone else as an endorser.
I like that it goes after some key contrasts with Brown, but isn’t ‘mean.’
I think we need more of this kind of ad. I’d also like to see her made some direct contrasts between she and Brown, spelling it out for the voters, naming names.
gregroasays
It seems that White suburban voters are the new soccer moms. At least that’s who both sides are targeting. Is that where all the mushy middle voters reside?
whosmindingdemintsays
and the phrase “working people” or “working families.”
Too much middle-class sounds like pandering and makes them sound like that breed of “average” voter who votes republican out of misguided aspirations of joining their class.
liveandletlivesays
into racial groups. I don’t know where you have been, but there are all different colors of people in suburban and rural areas, and great diversity in the soccer mom club. Some places are more one color than the other, but so what? We have made great progress. The only time I notice that we have different skin color is when someone like you reminds me that I’m white, and that person is African American, and that person is Asian, and that person is Hispanic. Really, when can we knock it off.
liveandletlivesays
I’ve seen others too! Great job!
Christophersays
…a Warren ad that names Scott Brown! Now can we get Micky Ward himself to do a public endorsement, to include why he almost supported Brown but decided against it?
jconwaysays
EW: “I’m EW and I approve this message”
MW: “I’ve been a fightah all my life and have always got back up and came out swinging no matter how many times I’ve been knocked down-too many working families have been knocked around by wall street
*clips of foreclosed houses, cut pensions, outsources factories*
but Massachusetts finally has a fightah willing to take main street back from wall steer her name is Elizabeth warren”
*clips of EW kicking ass and taking names testifying before congress, fade into EW next to MW”
“like Mickey ive been hit hard by misleading ads in
This race but you don’t need to drive a truck to know working families are struggling, as your senator I will not be bought by wall street but fighting for main streets and working families throughout Massachuseets Everyday in the senate and together we can take our main streets back from wall street it takes a fighter and I will fight for you “
It is good that it has a working class hero touting what Elizabeth Warren will do for the struggling working class or middle class, or whatever you want to call it.
But Warren may still need to do better. I think she needs ads that get more specific than this one does about her message. The ads should focus on the people Warren wants to help, and explain the financial problems they face that have been brought about by unscupulous banks and credit card companies, i.e., the industry that Warren has made a career out of exposing and reforming.
I got a message yesterday from MoveOn.org about a couple whose daughter was killed in a car accident a week before her college graduation, and yet CitiBank is reportedly continuing to hound the grieving parents to pay her student loans.
This is the kind of outrageous predatory loan situation that happens all too often, and the Warren campaign should find people in similar situations who are willing to tell these stories. Warren can come on at the very end to explain what she has done in the past and would do in the Senate to continue to help these folks, who really are most of us.
Optimistsays
Better, but the campaign has never introduced Elizabeth as a person voters would like before putting forward Elizabeth as fighter. In small settings, we hear a moving life story of hard work, hard challenges, brothers who were career in the military,a brother who is a small businessman, Elizabeth as entrepreneur who hung out her shingle, Elizabeth as single mom who raised a fabulous daughter. She mentioned this in passing in Charlotte. But where are the ads with the brothers in uniform? Her with her family? Their testimonials? That is an Elizabeth voters would love and connect with. Reintroduce her as a person, and let’s hear those who have known her throughout her life give testimonials.
Dave’s comments are apt; the possibilities for variation on this theme are endless. Bring it home.
And keep hammering on Brown’s actual real-live voting record. It doesn’t have to be in that scary “Satan voice”, as someone else said; just a normal person asking, “Why the hell would this guy vote that way?”
He’s a Senator; he’s got a voting record; that’s why we have elections.
bluewatchsays
This ad might make loyal supporters happy, but it could hurt Elizabeth. Here is what Scott Brown said in response:
“Her misleading and untrue attacks against me are a sign of desperation from an increasingly desperate and flailing campaign. The people of Massachusetts deserve and expect better, especially from a first time candidate who initially claimed not to like attack ads.”
whosmindingdemintsays
coming from a sitting senator who won’t run on his voting record.
merrimackguysays
We have a President who’s not running on his record either.
kbuschsays
And yeah, maybe you do need to think about my Hoover joke: downturns like the one we just had take a while to recover from. They also require considerable public investment to make up for the fall in private demand. The President cannot bring that about without Congress, and, for almost all of his term, the filibuster in the Senate has made that impossible.
Pre-emptive answer: if you think cutting spending is a road out of a recession like this, how do you explain the UK’s miserable performance, for that is precisely what they have done?
merrimackguysays
and that set the stage for the very positive in an economic sense 1995-2000.
How do you explain that?
In 2008 Obama said he would do a bunch of stuff and he hasn’t done much on that list. He did two things, universal health care and ramping up the war in Afghanistan, that weren’t on it.
The President is not running on his record. He’s running on “the other guy will be worse.” Very inspiring.
theloquaciousliberalsays
You’ve now said the same basic thing twice this morning:
In 2008 Obama said he would do a bunch of stuff and he hasn’t done much on that list. He did two things, universal health care and ramping up the war in Afghanistan, that weren’t on it
But this simply a lie. Here’s some actual contradictory evidence:
Candidate Obama said, over and over again, that he intended to pursue health care reform that would lead to universal health care. Here’s just two examples:
“So my attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time—as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered—decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effective.” http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/19/obama-touts-single-payer-system/
Candidate Obama said, over and over again, that he intended to ramp up the War in Afghanistan. In this case (though there are many, many others), I think this one example is clear enough that it should do:
“We need more troops. The situation is getting worse. We had the highest fatalities among US troops this past year than at any time since 2002. I would send 2 to 3 additional brigades to Afghanistan. Keep in mind that we have 4 times the number of troops in Iraq, where nobody had anything to do with 9/11 before we went in, where, in fact, there was no al Qaeda before we went in. That is a strategic mistake, because every intelligence agency will acknowledge that al Qaeda is the greatest threat against the US, and that the place where we have to deal with these folks is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It’s not just more troops. We have to #1, press the Afghan government to make certain that they are actually working for their people; #2, we’ve got to deal with a poppy trade that has exploded; #3, we’ve got to deal with Pakistan, because al Qaeda and the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan. Until we do, Americans at home are not safe.” First presidential debate; 9/26/08
As far as the “bunch of stuff” you claim he “hasn’t done much on”, that’s more difficult to refute (since you are so vague). But, here, non-partisan media outlets looks at the ‘Top 25″ promises of candidate Obama and finds that he has delivered on most. I’d strongly suspect that you don’t want to talk about any of the big ones that were broken (closing Guantanamo and repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy)?
Nevertheless, I challenge you to name one (or two if you’re feeling ambitious) single promise that Obama made as a candidate in 2008 that he hasn’t kept and that you would have liked him to do. One thing?
kbuschsays
so much as another manifestation of the epistemic closure that has afflicted the right.
Scott Brown is a professional politician. That’s all he knows how to do. So if he things this ad is effective enough to whine about it means it makes its point.
Davidsays
If that ad is an “attack,” then the term has lost all meaning.
demeter11says
Boston Globe, aka the Scott Brown public relations paper, has this headline online: Warren Releases Negative Ad
I guess the Globe agrees with what Brown said a few weeks ago: I don’t need Professor Warren to talk about my record.” I guess the Globe considers that negative. Yikes.
Does anyone else think the Brown campaign would be all over Globe editors for this kind of crap?
petrsays
[new] It’s negative to the Globe
Boston Globe, aka the Scott Brown public relations paper, has this headline online: Warren Releases Negative Ad
A Scott Brown generic ad: some regular working class heroi looking into the camera saying how Scott Brown has the knees of the bees and how others only have bees in their bonnets.
Cut to the latest EW ad: some regular working class hero looking into the camera saying how EW is the best thing since sliced bread and that other fella is too dumb to slice bread.
Gotta go back to the big dog: “It takes brass to attack a guy (sic) for doing what you did”.
wmabluesays
Better than the current ads I have seen. Agree with prior post about the “schoolteacher” feeling from early ads. Only consolation is in the opponent’s ads he comes off as a little kid trying to be a good boy – no substance. Agree also about good to see someone (anyone!) endorsing her in these ads. Her opponent’s ads with “democrats” endorsing him cut deep into the unenrolled voters.
gmoke says
I like Elizabeth Warren but her voice in other ads sounds like a hectoring schoolteacher. That is not only my opinion as I’ve heard it from others. She needed to get others to talk for her and this ad as well as another I saw on TV today do just that.
I’d been beginning to think that it would be no surprise if Brown won because his ads have been superlative, extremely effective at selling him. Warren’s ads need to step it up. This is a right step in that direction.
Ryan says
I like that it uses someone else as an endorser.
I like that it goes after some key contrasts with Brown, but isn’t ‘mean.’
I think we need more of this kind of ad. I’d also like to see her made some direct contrasts between she and Brown, spelling it out for the voters, naming names.
gregroa says
It seems that White suburban voters are the new soccer moms. At least that’s who both sides are targeting. Is that where all the mushy middle voters reside?
whosmindingdemint says
and the phrase “working people” or “working families.”
Too much middle-class sounds like pandering and makes them sound like that breed of “average” voter who votes republican out of misguided aspirations of joining their class.
liveandletlive says
into racial groups. I don’t know where you have been, but there are all different colors of people in suburban and rural areas, and great diversity in the soccer mom club. Some places are more one color than the other, but so what? We have made great progress. The only time I notice that we have different skin color is when someone like you reminds me that I’m white, and that person is African American, and that person is Asian, and that person is Hispanic. Really, when can we knock it off.
liveandletlive says
I’ve seen others too! Great job!
Christopher says
…a Warren ad that names Scott Brown! Now can we get Micky Ward himself to do a public endorsement, to include why he almost supported Brown but decided against it?
jconway says
EW: “I’m EW and I approve this message”
MW: “I’ve been a fightah all my life and have always got back up and came out swinging no matter how many times I’ve been knocked down-too many working families have been knocked around by wall street
*clips of foreclosed houses, cut pensions, outsources factories*
but Massachusetts finally has a fightah willing to take main street back from wall steer her name is Elizabeth warren”
*clips of EW kicking ass and taking names testifying before congress, fade into EW next to MW”
“like Mickey ive been hit hard by misleading ads in
This race but you don’t need to drive a truck to know working families are struggling, as your senator I will not be bought by wall street but fighting for main streets and working families throughout Massachuseets Everyday in the senate and together we can take our main streets back from wall street it takes a fighter and I will fight for you “
dave-from-hvad says
It is good that it has a working class hero touting what Elizabeth Warren will do for the struggling working class or middle class, or whatever you want to call it.
But Warren may still need to do better. I think she needs ads that get more specific than this one does about her message. The ads should focus on the people Warren wants to help, and explain the financial problems they face that have been brought about by unscupulous banks and credit card companies, i.e., the industry that Warren has made a career out of exposing and reforming.
I got a message yesterday from MoveOn.org about a couple whose daughter was killed in a car accident a week before her college graduation, and yet CitiBank is reportedly continuing to hound the grieving parents to pay her student loans.
This is the kind of outrageous predatory loan situation that happens all too often, and the Warren campaign should find people in similar situations who are willing to tell these stories. Warren can come on at the very end to explain what she has done in the past and would do in the Senate to continue to help these folks, who really are most of us.
Optimist says
Better, but the campaign has never introduced Elizabeth as a person voters would like before putting forward Elizabeth as fighter. In small settings, we hear a moving life story of hard work, hard challenges, brothers who were career in the military,a brother who is a small businessman, Elizabeth as entrepreneur who hung out her shingle, Elizabeth as single mom who raised a fabulous daughter. She mentioned this in passing in Charlotte. But where are the ads with the brothers in uniform? Her with her family? Their testimonials? That is an Elizabeth voters would love and connect with. Reintroduce her as a person, and let’s hear those who have known her throughout her life give testimonials.
Charley on the MTA says
Good on this. Nice work.
Dave’s comments are apt; the possibilities for variation on this theme are endless. Bring it home.
And keep hammering on Brown’s actual real-live voting record. It doesn’t have to be in that scary “Satan voice”, as someone else said; just a normal person asking, “Why the hell would this guy vote that way?”
He’s a Senator; he’s got a voting record; that’s why we have elections.
bluewatch says
This ad might make loyal supporters happy, but it could hurt Elizabeth. Here is what Scott Brown said in response:
“Her misleading and untrue attacks against me are a sign of desperation from an increasingly desperate and flailing campaign. The people of Massachusetts deserve and expect better, especially from a first time candidate who initially claimed not to like attack ads.”
whosmindingdemint says
coming from a sitting senator who won’t run on his voting record.
merrimackguy says
We have a President who’s not running on his record either.
kbusch says
And yeah, maybe you do need to think about my Hoover joke: downturns like the one we just had take a while to recover from. They also require considerable public investment to make up for the fall in private demand. The President cannot bring that about without Congress, and, for almost all of his term, the filibuster in the Senate has made that impossible.
Pre-emptive answer: if you think cutting spending is a road out of a recession like this, how do you explain the UK’s miserable performance, for that is precisely what they have done?
merrimackguy says
and that set the stage for the very positive in an economic sense 1995-2000.
How do you explain that?
In 2008 Obama said he would do a bunch of stuff and he hasn’t done much on that list. He did two things, universal health care and ramping up the war in Afghanistan, that weren’t on it.
The President is not running on his record. He’s running on “the other guy will be worse.” Very inspiring.
theloquaciousliberal says
You’ve now said the same basic thing twice this morning:
But this simply a lie. Here’s some actual contradictory evidence:
Candidate Obama said, over and over again, that he intended to pursue health care reform that would lead to universal health care. Here’s just two examples:
“I am absolutely determined that by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country.” – Candidate Obama, 1/25/07 (Speech text: http://obamaspeeches.com/097-The-Time-Has-Come-for-Universal-Health-Care-Obama-Speech.htm )
“So my attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time—as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered—decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effective.” http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/19/obama-touts-single-payer-system/
Candidate Obama said, over and over again, that he intended to ramp up the War in Afghanistan. In this case (though there are many, many others), I think this one example is clear enough that it should do:
“We need more troops. The situation is getting worse. We had the highest fatalities among US troops this past year than at any time since 2002. I would send 2 to 3 additional brigades to Afghanistan. Keep in mind that we have 4 times the number of troops in Iraq, where nobody had anything to do with 9/11 before we went in, where, in fact, there was no al Qaeda before we went in. That is a strategic mistake, because every intelligence agency will acknowledge that al Qaeda is the greatest threat against the US, and that the place where we have to deal with these folks is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It’s not just more troops. We have to #1, press the Afghan government to make certain that they are actually working for their people; #2, we’ve got to deal with a poppy trade that has exploded; #3, we’ve got to deal with Pakistan, because al Qaeda and the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan. Until we do, Americans at home are not safe.” First presidential debate; 9/26/08
As far as the “bunch of stuff” you claim he “hasn’t done much on”, that’s more difficult to refute (since you are so vague). But, here, non-partisan media outlets looks at the ‘Top 25″ promises of candidate Obama and finds that he has delivered on most. I’d strongly suspect that you don’t want to talk about any of the big ones that were broken (closing Guantanamo and repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy)?
Nevertheless, I challenge you to name one (or two if you’re feeling ambitious) single promise that Obama made as a candidate in 2008 that he hasn’t kept and that you would have liked him to do. One thing?
kbusch says
so much as another manifestation of the epistemic closure that has afflicted the right.
Charley on the MTA says
DON’T MAKE THAT NICE MAN TALK ABOUT THE VOTES HE TOOK AS A US SENATOR
Bob Neer says
Scott Brown is a professional politician. That’s all he knows how to do. So if he things this ad is effective enough to whine about it means it makes its point.
David says
If that ad is an “attack,” then the term has lost all meaning.
demeter11 says
Boston Globe, aka the Scott Brown public relations paper, has this headline online: Warren Releases Negative Ad
I guess the Globe agrees with what Brown said a few weeks ago: I don’t need Professor Warren to talk about my record.” I guess the Globe considers that negative. Yikes.
Does anyone else think the Brown campaign would be all over Globe editors for this kind of crap?
petr says
A Scott Brown generic ad: some regular working class heroi looking into the camera saying how Scott Brown has the knees of the bees and how others only have bees in their bonnets.
Cut to the latest EW ad: some regular working class hero looking into the camera saying how EW is the best thing since sliced bread and that other fella is too dumb to slice bread.
Gotta go back to the big dog: “It takes brass to attack a guy (sic) for doing what you did”.
wmablue says
Better than the current ads I have seen. Agree with prior post about the “schoolteacher” feeling from early ads. Only consolation is in the opponent’s ads he comes off as a little kid trying to be a good boy – no substance. Agree also about good to see someone (anyone!) endorsing her in these ads. Her opponent’s ads with “democrats” endorsing him cut deep into the unenrolled voters.