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And speaking of foreign policy, you simply must read this article with the former Israeli head of security, via TPM:

Negotiating with Iran is perceived as a sign of beginning to forsake Israel. That is where I think the basic difference is between Romney and Obama. What Romney is doing is mortally destroying any chance of a resolution without war. Therefore when [he recently] said, he doesn’t think there should be a war with Iran, this does not ring true. It is not consistent with other things he has said. […]

Obama does think there is still room for negotiations. It’s a very courageous thing to say in this atmosphere.

In the end, this is what I think: Making foreign policy on Iran a serious issue in the US elections — what Romney has done, in itself — is a heavy blow to the ultimate interests of the United States and Israel.

It is not as if, if he wins the election, and gets into the White House, he can back up. The Iranians are listening attentively to what he says. When he says, he would arm the opposition in Iran. They understand.

Romney has said, Anybody could have decided to finish bin Laden. Even [Jimmy] Carter. This again was a mistaken concept. President Obama didn’t just decide [one day to kill bin Laden]. The operation to end the life of bin Laden necessitated multiple points of decision by him. I know from operations I have been involved with on a smaller scale.

They are very intricate. You don’t just give the order and wait in your office for commanders to come three months later and say it’s done. No. This kind of operation, which is accident prone, hands on operation, one has to make one decision after the other […] It took courage and cool headedness and leadership. Anyone who says it was an easy thing to decide, doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. [Such comments] show a total lack of understanding of what this kind of operation means.



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  1. Um

    Is it just me or did Romney get seriously owned by these lines

    “Foreign policy of the 80s, social policy of the 50s, and economic policy of the 20s”-you know he and Axy rehearsed that

    “Governor every time you have offered an opinion you’ve been wrong”

  2. I am very frustrated

    Mitt needs a few bitch slaps. Why can’t Obama be more aggressive? The opportunities to make Romney look like a hypocritical fool abound.

  3. Watch How Many times Romney blinks

    it’s a sign of something.

    eb3-fka-ernie-boch-iii   @   Mon 22 Oct 9:25 PM
  4. the eighties,

    twenties, fifties remark was pretty snappy. Hope it gets a bit of rebound.

  5. Barak should say

    thanks for endorsing my policies, Mitt!

  6. Can't believe

    asshole Romney is taking credit for Mass. ed policy that he tried to kill!

    • Not to mention

      He has made fun of our state at every turn, his claims to bipartisanship with 700 vetoes is ridiculous, he didn’t have the guts to run for a second term since he WOULD HAVE LOST, and he laid off mental health workers by the ten fold (including my dad) and forced the poor and vulnerable on the streets.

  7. Now

    he disowns the healthcare policy (designed by a bipartisan coalition in the legislature) that he signed into law. What a prick.

  8. Oh great,

    the “world of business” – kiss my ass, Mitt.

  9. Navy.

    We have the biggest navy in the world. “horses and bayonets” love it!

  10. The "Apology Tour" whopper again...

    Romney is really a piece of work.

  11. Dan Rea

    Calls it for President Obama. Conservative callers try to play down the impact of the debates.

  12. Is it too much to ask

    For a Presidential candidate talking about policies in a complex and dangerous area of the world to at least be able to find the major players on a map? Generally speaking? Did Mitt reallynsay that Syria is Iran’s only route to the sea???

    • yup!

      That’s what the man said.

    • MSNBC even provided a map afterward

      It showed what most of us hopefully already know:

      a) Iran doesn’t border Syria.

      b) There’s a whole lotta sea just to the south of Iran.

      • Strait of Hormuz

        This is what I find so scary: There have been frequent and recent rises in tension regarding the Strait of Hormuz and Iran’s threat to block it. It’s been rightly called potentially the greatest economic choke point in the world. Yet Romney doesn’t know that Iran borders the Strait and has threatened to disrupt it.

        Just last week, a Germazn publication claimed Iran was going to use an oil spill to block the Strait ( they say no); last year Iran threatened to block the shipping lanes there if sanctions were ratcheted up. How does a presidential candidate not know this?

        This is not simply a matter of not knowing which countries border each other. It is profound ignorance of one of the world’s potential flash points. Any student at the Naval Academy knows this, any student of international relations knows this, but a man who’s supposed to be ready to be commander in chief doesn’t know this?

    • I think it shows the level of pressure

      Romney was under, and his reaction to that pressure that created that error. His eyes were blinking a mile a minute, and that death grimace he had on his face showed the stress he was feeling. Overall, when you factor in the stuttering when he tried to get out his words, he didn’t respond well. Not a behavior you want to see from an interviewee for Commander in Chief.

  13. Pousette-Dart Band (sung to their tune Amnesia)

    “Well, I hope that it’s only Romnesia”
    “Believe me I’m slick…..not just a pain
    Yes, I hope that it’s only Romnesia
    Neocons don’t look at me the same.”

    “Sometimes I feel okay, but when I talk, I blink
    I can remember what I said a few minutes ago
    The darkside all comes up with these same answers
    If I’m that far gone, there’s nowhere left to go.”

    “I hope that it’s only Romnesia (chorus)
    I hope that it’s only Romnesia (chorus)
    Believe me I’m slick but not deranged
    My neocons don’t look at me the same.”

  14. Question about Iran

    Did they sign a treaty promising not to develop nuclear weapons? If not I don’t think we have much right as a nuclear power ourselves to tell another country it can’t develop those weapons.

    • Iran treaty

      Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. This is why they’re claiming their nuclear program is to generate electricity and not build a weapon. Unlike North Korea, Iran has not formally withdrawn from the treaty and thus has agreed to the obligation not to develop nuclear weapons. Nuclear powers like the US which signed the treaty are required not to help any other state develop such weapons but are not obligated to give up those they have.

  15. "My dad ran a car company. I love american cars."

    fuck GM

  16. easy enough for a 9-year-old to figure out

    When Romney started with “We just can’t kill our way out of this,” and followed up in his next turn with, “We have to start by killing the bad guys,” even my 9-year-old turned to me and said, “Huh? He just said he wouldn’t do that!”

    (Quotes are pseudo, from memory)

    • I noticed that too

      Etch-a-sketch can happen in a matter of minutes, you know?

      Sad thing is the attention span of many Americans is such that they won’t remember.

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