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	<title>Comments on: Not how the news was supposed to go for Carmen Ortiz</title>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
		<link>http://bluemassgroup.com/2013/01/not-how-the-news-was-supposed-to-go-for-carmen-ortiz/#comment-309006</link>
		<dc:creator>johnk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/01/25/suicide-internet-pioneer-prompts-emotional-debate-over-federal-prosecution/eXPCoB35cDDwFyFLgUE5zJ/story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Globe&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was an over pitch that he was looking at a long sentence.  It took away from the point you were making.  It just stood out to me when reading, you used &quot;potentially&quot; but why go there.  That&#039;s what I commented on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was an over pitch that he was looking at a long sentence.  It took away from the point you were making.  It just stood out to me when reading, you used &#8220;potentially&#8221; but why go there.  That&#8217;s what I commented on.</p>
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		<title>By: bostonshepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>bostonshepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry</p>
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		<title>By: tblade</title>
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		<dc:creator>tblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leverage is the key to this whole thing and it is what has always frightened me, as someone not versed at all in law or litigation, since Swartz&#039;s death.

Citizens of a thriving democracy need room for civil disobedience - even when we are 100% wrong*. 

What principle or value would any of us be willing to serve 35 years and pay $1M in fines for? Shit, it seems like I would get less time in jail for getting hammered, driving home, and plowing into and killing a teenager on a mountain bike than I would if I would have tested the limits of copyright and intellectual property the way Aaron did.

What I am saying is give room for the Aaron Swartzes in this world to try and fail.  If Swartz believed strongly enough in what he was doing to serve 6-12 months in prison, let it play out in the courts! There is good reason why non-lawyers like myself know legal cases like Plessy, Brown v. Board, Roe v. Wade, and Goodrich - it&#039;s because citizens who could not find remedies through representative government found relief in our other co-equal branch of government. That is just as much part of our democracy as voting, folks. 

I know that we can&#039;t just have unfettered access to the limited resources of the courts, but we can&#039;t allow the government to just throw insane charges at non-violent, non-dangerous citizens just to &lt;em&gt;coerce&lt;/em&gt; the citizen to take jail time and prevent a judge or jury from deciding who is in the right. 

I mean if I was in one of those fantastic movie scenarios where I was 100% innocent and my options were going to trial and the penalty was losing was 35 years and $1M, or I could plea out for a 6 month sentence,  I could probably be coerced into serving jail time as an innocent man. 

If democracy literally means power/rule of the common people, then we can&#039;t allow this unfettered prosecutorial power to squash non-violent civil disobedience. 

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*For this argument, I am not taking the position that Swartz was right or wrong - it&#039;s irrelevant here.  I am saying that Swartz should have the chance to be 100% wrong with out ruining his life, because if he was right, or democracy and perhaps our society could benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leverage is the key to this whole thing and it is what has always frightened me, as someone not versed at all in law or litigation, since Swartz&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>Citizens of a thriving democracy need room for civil disobedience &#8211; even when we are 100% wrong*. </p>
<p>What principle or value would any of us be willing to serve 35 years and pay $1M in fines for? Shit, it seems like I would get less time in jail for getting hammered, driving home, and plowing into and killing a teenager on a mountain bike than I would if I would have tested the limits of copyright and intellectual property the way Aaron did.</p>
<p>What I am saying is give room for the Aaron Swartzes in this world to try and fail.  If Swartz believed strongly enough in what he was doing to serve 6-12 months in prison, let it play out in the courts! There is good reason why non-lawyers like myself know legal cases like Plessy, Brown v. Board, Roe v. Wade, and Goodrich &#8211; it&#8217;s because citizens who could not find remedies through representative government found relief in our other co-equal branch of government. That is just as much part of our democracy as voting, folks. </p>
<p>I know that we can&#8217;t just have unfettered access to the limited resources of the courts, but we can&#8217;t allow the government to just throw insane charges at non-violent, non-dangerous citizens just to <em>coerce</em> the citizen to take jail time and prevent a judge or jury from deciding who is in the right. </p>
<p>I mean if I was in one of those fantastic movie scenarios where I was 100% innocent and my options were going to trial and the penalty was losing was 35 years and $1M, or I could plea out for a 6 month sentence,  I could probably be coerced into serving jail time as an innocent man. </p>
<p>If democracy literally means power/rule of the common people, then we can&#8217;t allow this unfettered prosecutorial power to squash non-violent civil disobedience. </p>
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*For this argument, I am not taking the position that Swartz was right or wrong &#8211; it&#8217;s irrelevant here.  I am saying that Swartz should have the chance to be 100% wrong with out ruining his life, because if he was right, or democracy and perhaps our society could benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for saying the sentence wouldn&#039;t have been long?  First of all, 6 months in federal prison is no picnic.  Second, prosecutors&#039; recommendations for sentences get ignored all the time.  Third, the judge I quoted - Nancy Gertner - is (a) retired, and (b) far, far more pro-defense than anyone currently on the federal bench in MA.

Happy to be shown where I was in error, but just saying that my statement is &quot;not exactly truthful&quot; doesn&#039;t cut it.  The only way Ortiz could have guaranteed a lesser sentence would have been to drop the felony charges in exchange for a plea.  But she was not willing to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for saying the sentence wouldn&#8217;t have been long?  First of all, 6 months in federal prison is no picnic.  Second, prosecutors&#8217; recommendations for sentences get ignored all the time.  Third, the judge I quoted &#8211; Nancy Gertner &#8211; is (a) retired, and (b) far, far more pro-defense than anyone currently on the federal bench in MA.</p>
<p>Happy to be shown where I was in error, but just saying that my statement is &#8220;not exactly truthful&#8221; doesn&#8217;t cut it.  The only way Ortiz could have guaranteed a lesser sentence would have been to drop the felony charges in exchange for a plea.  But she was not willing to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And while we’re here, it’s important to note that the “deal” Ortiz reportedly offered Swartz – pleading guilty to felony charges in exchange for a recommendation of a 6-month prison sentence – was no guarantee of a 6-month sentence.  As Ortiz acknowledged in her first statement on the matter, “[u]ltimately, any sentence imposed would have been up to the judge.”  So even if Swartz took the deal, he was still potentially looking at a very long time in prison.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, using &quot;potentially&quot; is accurate but it&#039;s not exactly truthful, you even quoted a judge expressing concerns on the charges.  From that you pushed the idea of a lengthy prison sentence which in all likely would not have happened.

I feel for the family and what Aaron Swartz was going through.  I&#039;m not the only one, but I&#039;m close to someone with depression and while I can never completely understand what they are going through I understand how it should not be taken lightly.

Turning Carmen Ortiz into a boogeyman is not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And while we’re here, it’s important to note that the “deal” Ortiz reportedly offered Swartz – pleading guilty to felony charges in exchange for a recommendation of a 6-month prison sentence – was no guarantee of a 6-month sentence.  As Ortiz acknowledged in her first statement on the matter, “[u]ltimately, any sentence imposed would have been up to the judge.”  So even if Swartz took the deal, he was still potentially looking at a very long time in prison.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, using &#8220;potentially&#8221; is accurate but it&#8217;s not exactly truthful, you even quoted a judge expressing concerns on the charges.  From that you pushed the idea of a lengthy prison sentence which in all likely would not have happened.</p>
<p>I feel for the family and what Aaron Swartz was going through.  I&#8217;m not the only one, but I&#8217;m close to someone with depression and while I can never completely understand what they are going through I understand how it should not be taken lightly.</p>
<p>Turning Carmen Ortiz into a boogeyman is not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/editorials/2013/01/editorial_gov_war&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Um, no&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/editorials/2013/01/editorial_gov_war" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Um, no</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: judy-meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>judy-meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure she was going anywhere anyway, but well said David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure she was going anywhere anyway, but well said David.</p>
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		<title>By: bostonshepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>bostonshepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) how many of those guns were rifles with high capacity magazines?
(2) how many of those arrested with guns have their MA firearms ID?
(3) should you call it &quot;stirring up anti-tax fervor&quot; when the lege assistant who took my call in my extremely liberal state rep&#039;s offiice gets on the phone and, with a sigh, says &quot;I can guess what you&#039;re calling about.  We&#039;ve been deluged&quot;?  Apparently, many people are unhappy.  Perhaps the Herald is simply reporting this (although ok ok the &quot;Japs Surrender&quot;-sized font may be overdoing it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) how many of those guns were rifles with high capacity magazines?<br />
(2) how many of those arrested with guns have their MA firearms ID?<br />
(3) should you call it &#8220;stirring up anti-tax fervor&#8221; when the lege assistant who took my call in my extremely liberal state rep&#8217;s offiice gets on the phone and, with a sigh, says &#8220;I can guess what you&#8217;re calling about.  We&#8217;ve been deluged&#8221;?  Apparently, many people are unhappy.  Perhaps the Herald is simply reporting this (although ok ok the &#8220;Japs Surrender&#8221;-sized font may be overdoing it.)</p>
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