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  1. I have absolutely no problem with either Sanders or Warren... (0 Replies)

    …and yes I know Sanders is popular (and bugs/worries me that Warren isn’t a lock for re-election here, though I think she will ultimately prevail).

  2. I get that I'm not most voters... (1 Reply)

    …but in a democratic system even as one voter I am entitled to my opinion and my preference, am I not? I also reject any implication that HRC had no vision, values, etc.

  3. Still no way it was forseeable. (1 Reply)

    I’m sorry, but not only were polls showing her ahead in those states, but Nate Silver, famous for using indicators other than polls as well, predicted she would win. Her campaign did what any reasonable campaign would have done given the available information. If polls in mid-October showed her behind and then she still didn’t recalibrate her campaign you and Paul would be on much firmer ground assigning blame. She simply did not have time to react to Comey, whom we now know not only inappropriately blabbed about the investigation into her emails, but conversely very much did NOT mention the months long investigation into Trump-Russia. Ultimately my real anger is reserved for the voters. You and I agree, I think, this should have been a slam dunk. The difference is you think if only she had done x, y, z things would have turned out differently whereas I say heck with x, y, and z (or any other letter). I’m mad has all get out that the American people in 2016 did not without prompting flock to the polls in overwhelmingly record numbers just for the privilege of voting against the most openly bigoted candidate since George Wallace (not to mentioned so obviously dangerous, dishonest, unqualified and misogynistic)! Hillary Clinton should have been able to hibernate from the convention to election and STILL won in a landslide if America were the country I thought it was. I can’t even muster too much sympathy for supporters who feel betrayed. Even though it’s not the traditional kind for a presidential candidate, Trump DOES have a record of sorts – one of stiffing people and looking out for nobody but himself.

  4. And I prefer my ideologues in the legislature. (1 Reply)

    I actually go back and forth depending on the dynamics of the particular race. I favored Ed O’Reilly for Senate in 2008 and Jamie Eldridge for Congress in 2007, largely on ideology, but I favored Clinton in both 2016 and 2008 and Kerry in 2004 for the presidency based largely on experience and preparedness. In fact last year, Hillary and Bernie could have swapped positions entirely and I probably still would have been for Hillary. For the presidency especially I don’t prefer a nominee based on whether he or she is most electable, but rather most capable.

  5. I have moved somewhat to the left... (3 Replies)

    …but what i’m pushing back against is the temptation to second-guess a previous era. I hate to pull rank, but I believe I have about 10 years on you. I have been politically conscious going back at least to the year you were born and know there is no way we would have seen any success then with the agenda you propose now. I still see huge differences between market idol-worship of the actual Republican Party and using the market in a way that is regulated and can work for everyone. That’s not even mutually exclusive from my New Deal streak, and I never advocated a tax cut for hedge managers, though I still can’t get worked up over paying a retired POTUS a speaking fee.

  6. You are misreading me bigtime. (0 Replies)

    I for one never blamed Bernie or the left for any weaknesses in HRC’s candidacy, just for believing the parts that were NOT true about her (and Bernie personally is exempt from the latter as well).

  7. I don't know yet. (3 Replies)

    I assume she won’t run again, but honestly the only person I can think of who gets my blood really flowing is Hillary Clinton. In my lifetime there has hardly been anybody better prepared for and more deserving of a chance at the presidency. It upsets me greatly that she will likely have to settle for a place among what I call the “Great Almosts” of history, a list that would include people like Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, or more recently Bob Dole. I’m sure once any of these people actually starts campaigning I’ll make a choice among my actual options, but I still wish you wouldn’t be so pessimistic. I say Trump gets effectively beaten in 2018 anyway rather than 2020.

  8. The curse of the Clinton successors... (1 Reply)

    …seems to be getting shafted by the Electoral College. Like Hillary, Al Gore WON the popular vote even with the disputed FL results. At the time some welfare reform was needed, but Clinton pushed back at least twice before signing one. I’m starting to feel like we are back to people not remembering how politics worked in the 80s and 90s.

  9. Dukakis absolutely was a liberal. (0 Replies)

    He said so himself toward the end, too late to undo the Atwater damage by really owning it. Mondale was cut from the same cloth as fellow Minnesotan Hubert Humphrey and was put on the ticket by Carter to balance HIS centrism. I’m not sure how much Mondale could have helped himself. Ferraro was a deliberate attempt to make a splash by tapping a woman, and Mondale’s enthusiastic acknowledgement of his plan to raise taxes, while maybe fiscally responsible, played to stereotype perfectly.

  10. We also got slaughtered in 1984... (2 Replies)

    …and only did a bit better in 1988. Mondale and Dukakis were straight up liberals. It’s no wonder we wanted to try something different in 1992, and it worked both politically and economically. Times and needs change, but I refuse to fault the party for the direction we took in the 1990s.

  11. Clinton didn't fail this time. (2 Replies)

    She won 2.8 million more votes and was deprived of the presidency thanks to a constitutional fluke and an assist from James Comey. The latest theory I’ve heard as to why Comey blabbed about investigating Clinton, but not Trump, is that he too assumed she would win and thought it was more important politically to make sure people knew that. I know of no Democrat making the argument that the working class deserves their woes.

  12. Or more accurately... (1 Reply)

    …many on the left “ate up” much of the rightwing framing regarding the Clintons from over the past generation.

  13. There's the difference between you and me. (0 Replies)

    You use the term “awful” to modify Third Way whereas I most emphatically do not. I agree he was similar to Clinton – that’s probably why I like him so much.

  14. These aren't mutually exclusive. (2 Replies)

    I really don’t think demonizing one of the wings of our party, a wing that has had a lot of success, is the way to go. I’d rather NOT become the party of overt class warfare that says that business doesn’t matter.

  15. I see. (0 Replies)

    You connected the dots in a way that did not occur to me at first. I very much agree with your points regarding funding school systems (and other services) from local property taxes. I have felt the effects of such policies myself going back to when I was in school. I was being more literal in my earlier comment and looking for something more direct. In other words, that there were explicit housing discrimination laws still on the books saying white people must live one side of town and black people on the other.

    People do make the choices they do, and reasonably so to the extent they are able. Therefore I would still say most people’s primary motive is for something like a better school system rather than an irrational animus against a black family moving in next store.

    I made the comment about my own city and apartment complex not because I think they are necessarily representative, but because I felt I had to defend myself against an implication that I favored segregation. If we were to fix the things you cite regarding property taxes and that ended up having the effect of more demographically integrated communities (which I hope and assume would also ultimately lift everyone up), I would of course be perfectly fine with that.

  16. Plus, why is any of this mutually exclusive. (0 Replies)

    He gives ONE speech (and yes, I understand there could easily be more coming) and he can’t also do humanitarian things? He has lots of free time and lots of years ahead of him. Politically, I look forward to his activism regarding gerrymandering.

  17. Blair was my favorite PM in my lifetime. (2 Replies)

    Even on the Iraq war I always felt better about it after listening to him make the case than I did after hearing GWB make the case. I think he also appropriately updated the Labour Party to fit current circumstances both political and economic.

  18. I never said it wasn't real. (0 Replies)

    I just have said I don’t care and don’t believe it is appropriate to deliberately force a change. Don’t forget the original Brown was about a family told their daughter HAD to be bused to deliberately maintain racially segregated schools. Busing should have been a temporary band-aid and would be a moot point if all of our public schools were as excellent as they should be. I’ve even heard from a few black people that busing ended up moving them to less adequate schools just for the sake of making people feel good about the numbers and allowing the pretense of having solved the problem. Turns out many people of all races LIKE the idea of neighborhood schools. Of course we must continue to oppose any deliberate attempts to maintain the racial homogeneity of the neighborhoods themselves.

  19. To the extent that there is still racial flight... (1 Reply)

    …that is the product of individual attitude, not public policy. Public policy does not make white people escape black neighbors; individual prejudice does. I live in Lowell, a city that is shaped by a very diverse collection of racial and ethnic groups, and I am proud of that. My own apartment community includes people from all backgrounds and I have no problem with that whatsoever. I didn’t reveal squat about myself except for my consistent insistence that we should not sort people this way whether our motives are negative or positive.