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From Niki: A timetable for withdrawal or more of the same?

by: Niki Tsongas

Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 10:38:11 AM EDT


(Please note: Jim Ogonowski's strategy on Iraq is as follows:
In his Blueprint for America's Safety and Success in The Global War on Terror, Jim Ogonowski defined victory in Iraq as the time when American forces are no longer on the front lines and when a stable and self-governing Iraq is in charge of its own security. When this happens, American troops can come home.
In his typically incoherent manner, Ogonowski is plainly trying to have it twelve different ways on Iraq. He says he wants to "bring troops home", and "do it the right way", but never defines that. This is naked political doublespeak. When and how, Jim?

Don't forget to show Niki some love. - promoted by David)

On October 16, 2007, the eyes of America will be on us as we choose the new member of Congress from the Fifth Congressional District of Massachusetts.  I believe we must send an unwavering message to America and to the White House: it is time to change the direction of our country, and it is long past time to change direction on Iraq.   

No longer can we afford to accept the failed policies of the Bush Administration—failures abroad and failures that impact us here at home.

No longer can we accept a policy of neglect that leaves 47 million American uninsured, including 9 million children, and tens of millions more facing high health care costs.

No longer can we accept a policy of denial on global warming that threatens the safety of future generations.

It is time for change.

Niki Tsongas :: From Niki: A timetable for withdrawal or more of the same?

And the most immediate change we need is a real commitment to end the war.  What was confirmed last week was that our failure is not a military one but a political one.  President Bush and too many members of Congress are at the center of that failure.  Last spring, Congress failed to pass Jim McGovern's bill which would have mandated the safe and orderly withdrawal of our forces over a nine-month period.  I strongly supported the McGovern bill then and continue to do so today.

When our leadership fails us, we must use our most precious resource—our vote—to set our country back on course.   

In the Fifth Congressional District, voters have a clear and important choice.  My Republican opponent claims he will be an "independent" voice, but he attended the National Republican Congressional Committee's training session in May where Karl Rove was prominently featured.  

George Bush and my Republican opponent, Jim Ogonowski, both believe the Iraq war is heading in the right direction.  According to their plan, 140,000 of our troops will remain in Iraq after the drawdown—a higher number than existed before the surge—and a signal that under their watch, our troops will be mired in Iraq for many years to come.  I fundamentally disagree and believe it’s time for a change.  

We need a new direction and a new strategy to bring our servicemen and women home quickly, safely, and responsibly.  I believe the best way to do this is to set a timetable, forcing the Iraqi government to take responsibility for their future and engaging the international community to help make political progress.  

The Iraq war is the most important issue facing our country and a place where the need for change is crystal clear.  I want to change our direction, whereas my Republican opponent Jim Ogonowski and George Bush favor the status quo—an open-ended, indefinite, ongoing commitment of our troops in Iraq.

During this campaign, I will discuss our failed policy in Iraq every day.  And on October 16th, I hope you will join me in sending a clear message to the White House that another half a million people are committed to keeping the spotlight on Iraq every day thereafter until our servicemen and women have returned home.

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"It is time for change." (3.50 / 4)

So is it your stance that all these years, Mr. Meehan DID support the Bush agenda, DID support the Iraq war, DID accept your tally of the uninsured (note - citation?), DID accept global warming?

Exactly what change in representation are you advocating?  Publish our timetable of troop movements well in advance, so the enemy can wait and pick us off at their leisure?  Entirely abrogate national security in favor of partisan advantage?

And while you can certainly discuss the war each and every day, it does not contribute to your explaination of how you would SPECIFICALLY represent the Fifth District. 



Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

Republican rubbish (6.00 / 3)
Publish our timetable of troop movements well in advance, so the enemy can wait and pick us off at their leisure?  Entirely abrogate national security in favor of partisan advantage?

Another load of horseshit from you, PP.  What has happened to the drinking water down the Cape?


[ Parent ]
Perhaps like the security breach in Pakistan (0.00 / 0)

Wasn't there an event a few years ago where the Bush Administration, eager to show anti-terrorism progress, announced they had seized someone too early and thereby exposed one of their assets to retribution?

But that doesn't matter: To them it's all a game. 



[ Parent ]
I'm not familiar with... (0.00 / 0)
Perhaps like the security breach in Pakistan...

...the incident that you are referring to, but one incident made it clear to me that the Bushies are not particularly interested in American national security.  They are merely interested in blathering on about national security.

That incident was the Valerie Plame affair.  And I come at this from two directions.

Direction 1. On the narrow side, having her name be published, one, placed in jeopardy everyone abroad that she had come into contact with.  That might not seem so much as a problem, except for the following.  If the American pResdentschaft would be willing to place their earlier intelligence "assets" in danger, that might very well mean that the American pResidentschaft might very well be willing to put future potential foreign intelligence assets in danger.  And you know what that means--it means that it makes it more difficult for the American government to acquire foreign intelligence assets.  Bad move.

Direction 2.  On the other side, the idea that the Bushies publishing Plame's name as retribution for Wilson's his Niger trip and the op-ed piece in the NYTimes never made any sense to me.  After all, he was a former ambassador, I'm sure that he had a lovely pension, and that Plame would have one, too.  What did strike me as plausible is something that I learned several years thereafter: that Plame was in charge of a CIA section that was specifically charged with finding Saddam Hussein's supposed Weapons of Mass Distraction, certifying that and that she refused to certify reports of that for which no evidence existed.  It dawned on me, that was why she was outed.  It wasn't for Wilson's article, it was because she was inconveniently subservient to the Bush malAdministration, but Wilson's article gave the Bushies a convenient opportunity to get back at her.

I do not recall the name of the CIA Iraq department of which she was head.  But that is probably why she was outed by the Bushies.


[ Parent ]
That's another example (0.00 / 0)
Yes, the Valerie Plame incident illustrated this very publicly, but that incident involved Niger and the Italians. There was another incident in Pakistan.

[ Parent ]
Are you referring to... (0.00 / 0)
...I forget his name (Kahn?) who leaked nuclear security secrets and materiel to bad guys in 3d world countries?  Probably at the encouragement of the Musharraf government?

[ Parent ]
And Valerie Plame was outed by....NOT Bush, NOT Rove, NOT Cheney, not even Libby... (3.50 / 2)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
Pretty much irrelevant, Ms. Porc... (0.00 / 0)
...who in the Bush malAdministration gave Richard Armitage the information about Plame, and the marching points to out her to Robert NoFacts?

Don't change the subject, Ms. Porc, as you often try to do.


[ Parent ]
How long had Armitage been there? Ah, well into the prior administration.... (0.00 / 0)
Pick up and read 'Legacy of Ashes' by Tim Weinart.  He has interesting things to say bout this.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
Don't even try to change the subject, Ms Porc... (0.00 / 0)
...Where Armitage came from is totally irrelevant.  What he did at the behest of his then puppet master is.

BTW, I'm sure that you are aware that he was a signatory to the idiotic 1998 PNAC letter regarding Iraq.  And he had been Dep Sec State since 2001. 

So, what was your point?


[ Parent ]
Apologist! (6.00 / 2)

Jeez, you Republicans are so, so very into defending your guys.

It's pretty clear that at least the Vice President's office was intent on extracting revenge. It's also clear that some journalists, unlike Novak who acts like a Republican, had the good sense not to say anything. So the outing had to be repeated a few times before it worked. The first outing was not sufficient for their ugly goals.

Even so all of this was in defense of a lie about nuclear capability. A lie! And if it wasn't a lie, they never acknowledged it or apologized for it once it was revealed. They don't care about the truth.

Get it?

They don't care about the truth.

This is shameful and abhorrent behavior in a democracy.

Further, to base one's national security policy on an obvious forgery is to show definite signs of not caring about national security policy. My previous point.



[ Parent ]
Lie (6.00 / 1)
Riiiiiight. Rove, Cheney and Libby had nothing to do with Valerie Plame being outed.  Libby obstructed justice for the hell of it. For shits and giggles. Just because something can be technically true doesn't mean it isn't a lie. Maybe it's technically true that Bush, et al didn't give the information directly to Novak, but to imply they had nothing to do with it and no prior knowledge would be dishonest at best.

I'm surprised Eabo hasn't popped up to propagate one of his favorite lies - "Plame was not covert".

Let me get this straight: Democrats protest war, Republicans protest health care?


[ Parent ]
Furthermore! (6.00 / 2)

The thing that also surprises me is how no conservative has acknowledged that this was a scurrilous thing to do -- even if Plame wasn't covert. It was widely known that the Niger documents were forged. The forgery was practically transparent. European intelligence did not fall for this. The trip to Niger only confirmed the obvious.

Honest people would have had an embarrassed reaction. "Crap! We didn't mean to mislead you. Sorry we fell for it." That's what an honest Administration would say. These guys don't care about the truth. So for them, Wilson had hit them. They were going to hit back. For them, it's just a game.  It doesn't matter that Wilson had exposed a falsehood to which they never should have been party.

And for PP too, apparently, it's still just a game. It's a game of "Can't catch me! Can't catch me! You can't catch me!" 

Why isn't it instead a sad reflection on what has happened to ex-Reagan officials, how their personal morality has sunk

and stunk.

[ Parent ]
Ms. Porc, are you seriously so stupid as to believe that... (0.00 / 0)
Exactly what change in representation are you advocating?  Publish our timetable of troop movements well in advance, so the enemy can wait and pick us off at their leisure?

the US military will broadcast troop movements to the highest Rang in the opera hall before a withdrawal?  Do you remember the withdrawal of the US military from Vietnam?  the details of the withdrawal were not announced in advanced, and most of the Americans were withdrawn with little incident.  It was the American personnel at the US embassy in Saigon who were endangered the the NVNarmy invaded, and they were evacuated by helicopter.

Let's look at this another way.  It strains credulity to believe that an insurgency would try to take revenge on an evacuating occupier, when their taking revenge might cause the evacuating occupier to return with--carpet bombing, also in revenge.


[ Parent ]
Well, Ogo is a no go for change (6.00 / 3)

To push change, she doesn't have to be different from Meehan. She just has to be different from the Republicans and Bush Dogs.

Ogo's position seems to be the standard one that Republicans renew every six months:

  • The war was mismanaged.
  • Now  we have an excellent strategy or now we have just this one goal.
  • The next six months will be decisive.

I'm reminded of how cats are able to appear still and retain their balance by a sequence of tiny small moves and adjustments.

So too the Republican "plan" for the Iraq War. Lots of tiny moves and adjustments that don't add up to movement, but are, in fact,  the essence of stasis.



[ Parent ]
PP! My Stars! (3.25 / 4)

How DARE you ask pertinent questions of a nominee!

And to expect an explanation of her positions BEYOND the cookie-cutter DNC talking-points!

So mean! 

 



[ Parent ]
PP was not being mean at all (6.00 / 3)

We were being mean. We were saying her questions were dumb.

I hope you'll forgive us for our rudeness! 



[ Parent ]
KB - really, I'm only shocked at David, for swearing during the High Holy days... (0.00 / 0)
...but, there is no delete button on comments.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
just like a republican (0.00 / 0)
to stick their noses into other people's morality.  but should an atheist, say, hold a self-described christian to the letter of the christian law, oh the weeping and the wailing!!!

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[ Parent ]
How should we celebrate (0.00 / 0)
November 21 Voltaire's birthday?

[ Parent ]
I had no idea you observed. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Happy New Year, my friend... (0.00 / 0)
....and let us both hope that He won't have TOO much reason to strike out our names when He comes to them in the Big Book...


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
Speak for yourself... (6.00 / 1)
...for me, the war is the issue in this race, in this Commonwealth and in this nation.  I hope Niki Tsongas continues to discuss the war each and every day.  Go Niki!

[ Parent ]
Has anyone seen Ogonowski and Bush in the same room? (0.00 / 0)

I've heard this "plan" before, but it was phrased, "as Iraqis stand up, we will stand down."   Similar details (nothing).

Is this what people want to vote for?



Huh (0.00 / 0)
I heard about that approach too, in history class.  It was called "Vietnamization".

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Believe it or not, I have even more to say...


[ Parent ]
Want to talk more of the same? (0.00 / 0)

I wonder how many other people copy/pasted this sort of speech back when they were running in 2006...turning their opponent into a joint-Pariah along with the Prez and then getting elected and dropping the ball faster than Reche Caldwell.

 

Why is Niki Tsongas not more of the same?  It sure sounds like it. 



I'm more than happy... (0.00 / 0)
to have many, many more Democratic candidates echoing the sentiment that the President and Republican party have squandered any and all trust in their ability to accurately manage or judge the progress of the situation in Iraq. The more I hear Democrats come out and saying it, the happier I get.

So, by all means, please give me more of the same!


[ Parent ]
Yes, echoing sentiment is really productive. (0.00 / 0)
n/t

[ Parent ]
Beats affirmatively bad ideas like Ogo's. nt (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Kos & MyDD (0.00 / 0)
If you have a sec, please rec my diaries over there.
Kos
MyDD

So who are the Half Million? (0.00 / 0)

"And on October 16th, I hope you will join me in sending a clear message to the White House that another half a million people are committed to keeping the spotlight on Iraq every day thereafter until our servicemen and women have returned home."

Let’s see only a 10% percent turnout of 5th district voters at 50,000 votes+/- in the primaries so that must be where the ½ mil comes from. Of that only 36% of those who pulled democratic ballots supported Ms Tsongas. The other 65% voted for someone else.While I agree that a likely majority of voters in the 5th want the war to end, it is just this kind of rhetoric that keeps many of us wondering when we will get politicians who do not turn pluralities into assumptions of mandates for them.

Pardon my skepticism but I believe this is contributing to why Ogonowski is making a” surge” of his own in the  polls in this conservative leaning district

And just what does spotlight mean?

We heard all this get us out now back in the 06 voting that put the Dems in charge but to date are not that impressed with what they have done about it. (Like say legalizing wire taps). May explain the 10% turnout as voters feel neither party is really going to make this war end.



"There is something not well in the soul of man when he is too far removed from nature" Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings  

Several Very Clear Choices (6.00 / 8)
Despite come of the comments in this thread, as a resident of MA-05, I know which candidate will do a better job representing my interests in Congress.

Question:  Do I want a Congressperson who supports Rep. McGovern's approach to redeploying troops as we go forward, or do I want a Congressperson who will give a blank check to the President's fantasy world in the Middle East?  WIth all due respect to Peter Porcupine, the President's approach to the Middle East has damaged our national security profoundly, and we will feel the repercussions of his arrogance and malfeasance for decades to come. With all further due respect to traditional small government Republicans, we haven't even begun to pay for this war.  At this point, the entire nation is a sub-prime borrower in the world economy.  More of the same in foreign policy and the economy will not help anyone who lives in MA-05.

Question:  Do I want a Congressperson who will support the Republican House leadership of Rep. "It's a small price to pay" Boehner?  I would think Mr. Ogonowski, as an Air Force pilot, would find that profoundly offensive.  I'm not always a fan of Nancy Pelosi, but I would happily choose the Democratic party leaders of the House over the Republican leaders.

Question:  Do I want a Congressperson who supports health insurance for children, or one who thinks the S-CHIP program is some kind of strange cover for a vast conspiracy to reward illegal aliens?  I live in MA-05 and I want all kids covered.  I'd like to see single payer universal health care.  I can see Tsongas moving that direction a long time before Ogonowski would ever abandon the right wing talk radio points on universal health care.

Whatever nit-picks I might have with Tsongas (and I do have some), there's no question in my mind who would do a better job representing MA-05.  Tsongas will make a fine Congressperson and an excellent advocate for the district on issues of war and peace, foreign policy, health, education, immigration, and on social issues.  She'll have the clout in Congress to help protect MA-05 from dismemberment in the next redistricting. 

I know BMG's heart was elsewhere in the primary battle, where Nikki was one of four strong Democratic candidates.  But now we do need to GOTV and make sure she becomes MA-05's next Congressperson.


why only Jeanne Shaheen? (0.00 / 0)
This is unrelated to Niki's post (I'm very pro-unity post-primary, and Niki was often my strong second choice candidate) but a response to David's link to ActBlue: why is Shaheen the only NH-Sen candidate on there? Marchand has dropped out, but Jay Buckey is still running strong, and Katrina Swett may be also. Did you guys make an endorsement sometime in the less than two days since Shaheen joined the race, because that's the implication from it, and it seems very odd to make such a decision so early and immediately.

If anyone wants to contribute to a great candidate for the NH Senate seat, check out http://www.actblue.c...


we haven't formally endorsed (5.00 / 1)
so sure, I'll add Buckey to the page.  But, realistically, does he have a chance?  I mean, not to go all conventional-wisdom on you or anything, but ... y'know ...

[ Parent ]
Buckey's a cool candidate. (6.00 / 1)
Love the bio, seems like a guy with his head on straight. Doesn't need to be a coronation.

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Blue Mass. Group
So what politics do you deserve?


[ Parent ]
Dang (0.00 / 0)
Marchand dropped out?  Dang.  Well, Shaheen it is -- a victory here earns my forgiveness for losing to Sununu in 2002 and backing Kerry in 2004.

~~~~
Believe it or not, I have even more to say...


[ Parent ]
On Ogo and Nikki (5.00 / 1)
Governor Patrick, Meehan, and Nikki be association all made huge ass errors with the 9/11 commemoration. Patrick asking us to understand our enemy and Meehan speaking instead of a true 9/11 survivior like Ogonowski all looked very bad and will hurt Nikki by association with the Governor. Also look at the latest polls she actually is not the shoo in the people predicted, and like my analysis predicted she is weak on immigration and taxes and the district likes the moderate image and patriotism associated with Jim. Also his accent doesnt hurt. But to wit both candidates seem to be speaking in platitudes and talking points and neither is particularly inspiring. It will certainly be interesting if Jim can use this race as a referendum on the Governor, especially in a district the Governor won by a few percentage points. That takes the whole referendum on Bush line the Dems have been driving home and turns it on its head. If he can make this local it hurts Nikki since Deval and Meehan are damaged goods, and it takes the minds of the voters off of Bush which benefits Jim.

Get Involved (6.00 / 3)
 

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