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Rules of the Road — an update

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We have added the following to our Rules of the Road:

Impersonation of real people is not allowed and user accounts that do this will be deleted as soon as we become aware of any such practice.

The rest of the “Anonymity” section of our Rules, just to reiterate, reads as follows,

We have found that commentators who disclose their real names are in general more likely to be constructive than those who are anonymous.  We encourage users to add their real name, profession, age, the jurisdiction where they vote, and conflicts of interest to their profile.  Anonymous commentators are allowed, but we encourage such users to provide as much of this information as they can manage.”

We thank our beloved community for their careful adherence to both the letter and the spirit of our Rules of the Road.

With respect to the recent debate over a post ostensibly by Ben LaGuer, we deleted that post because although the User Account was named “Ben LaGuer,” our understanding is the person who created the account and submitted the post was not actually Mr. LaGuer.

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    • no chance of him posting for real – unless they have internet in his hereafter.

        • Not in hell.  In hell you transfer bits one at a time, by a single pigeon shared by all users.

          • Since one has much more time in hell than here on earth can that really be considered a problem? Since we know from Einstein that time is relative, maybe the pigeon-post system would actually seem faster than Verizon (which as we know is also present in hell).

            • not because his alter-ego may be currently in another realm, but for this statement posted earlier today:

              “I think [LaGuer] should get a new trial, simply to sort out the evidence with new technology.”

              It goes to show that there is honor among conservatives. Can we get some more endorsements for that position? Thank you Mr. Porcupine.

            • If we use the traditional western convention that hell is deep beneath the Earth’s surface, then we must presume that time is relatively faster in hell than on Earth’s surface.

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              The circumference of the Earth is approx.  24,901 miles at the equator. A person at the equator is then traveling at approx. 1037 mph as the Earth rotates.  If we aproximate Hell at half- way between the surface and the center of Earth’s core, then a person burning in the flames of hell would travel at 518 mph.

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              Now, I don’t remember enough from physics class to do the calc by hand, but using an online “relativity calculator”, the factor of change comes out to be 810(10)^ -15. Ttranslated into time, the time in hell passes 5.3(10)^ -15 seconds (5.3 quadrillionth of a second) faster than on Earth’s surface.  This means that it would take +5.8 Million years for time on Earth’s surface to be 1 full second behind Hell’s time.

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              This does assume hell is physically manifested in the Earth and is not in some unseen dimension, etc, in which case any and all of our laws of physics may be null anyway. And I didn’t check my math, so it may not be percise, but considering the calcs are based on the speed of light which is 670,616,629 mph, the factor of change is a similar order of infinitesimal magnitude.

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              Or perhaps we could take a more philisophical view and adopt Satre’s view that “hell is – other people”; and amongst those other people, Verizon.  And since Verizon sems to operate on there own unseen time schedule, it would be impossible to plug Verizon time into formulas of distance and velocity and we could only base time on our perceptions,which, when I am dealing with Verizon, seems like an etermity.

              • To get around the problem of predestination you need to assume that God exists outside of time and that it is the present with him.  If Heaven is an eternal union with God, then Hell must be an eternal disunion with Him. 

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                If thats the case then it doesn’t matter when you send it or when you receive it because it will always be now.

                • If you just died and that was it then it would always be never.  If there is an afterlife that presumes some kind of consciousness, so it would always have to be now. 

                • …it exists outside of space.  Ever heard of spacetime?  The thing that explains the universe?

              • …If you are referring to time differential in regards clocks rotating with the earth, recognize that those clocks are in non-inertial reference frames.  The equations of special relativity are only useful in inertial reference frames.

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                It is the case that, in general relativity, clocks in high gravity (high energy/momentum tensor) regions move slower than in regions of lower gravity (lower energy/momentum tensor) regions, but, if hell is supposed to be within the earth, it would seem that clocks in hell might very well run faster than clocks on the earth’s surface.  Lower values for the energy/momentum tensor in hell means less spacetime curvature, hence faster clocks.

                • …I was imagining a stationary observer precisely at the center of Earh’s core observing the person in Hell and the person on Earth’s surface.  I calculated the factor of change of the Hell person relative to the inert core observer and then the factor of change of the surface person relative to the inert core observer and then differenced the two calcs. 

                • …the Schwarzschild metric (which is the relevant one) defines the curvature of spacetime due to the energy-momentum tensor within radius “r”.  If you’re presuming that the earth is hollow, there is no mass (energy/momentum) interior of radius “r” to curve spacetime.

                • ..there is a fake place in between Earth’s surface and the core that bad people go to burn for ever, why can’t I assume “perfect conditions” in which my observer et al can exist?

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                  Not to mention, physics III is as far as I got.

                • …the Scharzschild solution (to Einstein’s General Relativity equations) wouldn’t work inside a shell anyway, which is the terrestrial structure that you were positing.

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                  I’m a lawyer, but my undergrad and grad degrees were in physics.

              • [http://www.bluemassg…]???

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                BMG is truly a community of artists.  I am awed at the sleight of hand/keystrokes at re-directing the LaGuer controversy.  What chapter and verse are we at now?  Never mind, I am enjoying the uplifting diversion to the contemplation of hell.

            • Prisoner to prisoner?  Not a problem.  Prisoner to person?  Frustratingly slow.

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              As a funny side note, when I was in Pre-Cana classes*, I asked my priest the following:

              Given that Heaven is eternal and forever, given that purgatory is a finite state (thanks to prayers by family, friends, and nuns & priests), and given that one can only go from purgatory to Heaven, why not just shoot for purgatory, since a finite time divided by an infinite time will be over =snap= like that?

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              His response:

              If you aim for purgatory, you might miss low.

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              p>  * as a side note to this side note, these were really good.  Not just good in a religious sense, but a really nice way to forceencourage the couple to be married to talk about all sorts of issues that marriage encompasses, even some that we hadn’t even thought about, no less discussed on our own.  I think other churches and organizations should have a look at Pre-Cana and offer/encourage/require their constituents to take something similar.

  3. I’m really Daniel Shays, I promise. Just see what happens if you try to take my farm…

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