NBA Star Charles Barkley. OK now technically, we can no longer call Mr. Barkley a Republican. He used to identify as such, but recently felt compelled to leave the GOP because
What do the Republicans run on? Against gay marriage and for a war that makes no sense. A war that was based on faulty intelligence. That’s all they ever talk about. That and immigration. Another discriminatory argument for political gain.
Or, as he said more succinctly elsewhere, “I was a Republican until they lost their minds”. I include Mr. Barkley here because, as an enormously popular national figure with political aspirations of his own, he is a huge loss to the GOP. Imagine if he were campaigning now for McCain, not Obama. Take away lesson: not all Republicans of conscience will wait for the party to regain its senses.
Last week, Mr. Barkley had this to say to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
BARKLEY: Hey, I live in Arizona. I have got great respect for Senator McCain. Great respect. But I don’t like the way the Republicans are taking this country. Every time I hear the word “conservative,” it makes me sick to my stomach, because they’re really just fake Christians, as I call them. That’s all they are. But I just — I’m going to vote Democratic no matter what.
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BLITZER: All right. One quick point before I let you go. You used the phrase “fake Christians” for conservatives. Explain what you’re talking about.BARKLEY: Well, I think they — they want to be judge and jury. Like, I’m for gay marriage. It’s none of my business if gay people want to get married. I’m pro-choice. And I think these Christians — first of all, they’re supposed to be — they’re not supposed to judge other people. But they’re the most hypocritical judge of people we have in this country. And it bugs the hell out of me. They act like their Christians. And they’re not forgiving at all.
BLITZER: So you’re going to get a lot of feedback on this one, Charles.
BARKLEY: They can’t do anything to me. I don’t work for them.
BLITZER: You feel comfortable saying all that?
BARKLEY: I feel very comfortable saying I’m pro-choice, and I’m for gay marriage. Very comfortable.
BLITZER: But you can’t lump all these conservatives as being fake. A lot of them obviously — most of them are very, very sincere in their religious beliefs.
BARKLEY: Well, they should read the part about they’re not supposed to judge other people. They forget that one when it doesn’t fit what they want it to say.
U.S. Senator Susan Collins (R-Maine). Senator Collins has served in the US Senate for over a decade. She co-sponsored the Matthew Shepard Act, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and the Early Treatment for HIV Act.
Sen Collins supports, among others, the Uniting American Families Act, Tax Equity for Domestic Partner Health Plan Beneficiaries Act, and the Healthy Families Act.
In a recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, the Senator questioned the wisdom of turning away LGBT Americans from the armed forces, and stated that the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy needs to be reconsidered.
Finally, Senator Collins has twice voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Senator Collins’s personal web page can be found here.
Mayor Jerry Sanders, San Diego, CA. Mayor Sanders used to oppose marriage equality. Then, in September, 2007, the San Diego City Council passed a resolution to declare support of marriage equality as the CA Supreme Court considers the constitutionality of marriage discrimination.
One day before his reelection campaign was to begin, Mayor Sanders decided to “lead with my heart” and support the resolution.
[Sanders] said he realized he could not accept “the concept of a separate-but-equal institution.” Because of that, he continued, he was unwilling to send the message to anyone that “they were less important, less worthy or less deserving of the rights and responsibilities of marriage.”
The mayor, now crying openly, noted that he has close family members and friends in the gay and lesbian community, including staff members and “my daughter Lisa.”
“In the end, I couldn’t look any of them in the face and tell them that their relationships, their very lives, were any less meaningful than the marriage I share with my wife, Rana,” said Sanders, who quickly thanked reporters and dashed from the room.
well two people, anyway – in the GOP. Regrettably, your list of admired Republicans is a lot shorter than your recent list of Republicans involved in sex scandals.
Just a slight addition. Earlier in that Charles Barkley interview he said:
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p>Given the statement Laurel quoted where he said “I was a Republican until they lost their minds”, it looks like Sir Charles was never a “Real Republican” (TM), he must have been one of those fake Republicans we hear about, like what “Real Republicans” say about John McCain.
…this was music to my ears after that nasty Tim Hardaway business last year.
i think he’s the first straight nba star to openly be an ally. last year john amaechi became the first nba star to come out as gay. and afaik that’s about it for the nba and lgbt friendliness.
he was considering running for office as a republican, and according to this story he still considered himself a republican “until recently”.
He will never, ever run for national office. Constitutional amendments take decades to get past so he can never run for President. He might one day run for Senator of California but as far as I know him supporting gay marriage should not cost him votes. He is already too moderate-liberal on the environment, education, health care, and gay rights as it is to win over social conservatives in a statewide election. The majority of his supporters are Democrats.
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Does anyone read Esquire? I think Esquire is home to some fantastic journalism. Underrated coverage of Iraq, too.
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to put it mildly. If you like Obama, be careful making comparisons between him and Schwarzenegger. Although come to think of it, sometimes those comparisons might be apt. I’m talking about both of them contriving ridiculous reasons not to support marriage. In the case of Arnold, he and Kennedy said that he couldn’t sign the marriage bill because it would conflict with a state prop that prevents CA from recognizing ssm’s solumnized in other states. Total rubbish. I won’t bother to repeat Obama’s double-speak and constitutional obfuscations on this subject. They just fall on deaf eyes, and I’m not in the mood for the slap-back (not by you necessarily of course).
My comparison between Arnold and Barack had nothing to do with policy and all on optimism, positiveness, and trying to build a broad, working coalition, in other words, the style with which they propose to accomplish goals.
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he and Kennedy said that he couldn’t sign the marriage bill because it would conflict with a state prop that prevents CA from recognizing ssm’s solumnized in other states. Total rubbish.
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My guess about Arnold is that he either a) personally really opposes marriage equality, or b) he has held back because he wants a high-level appointment in the administration – something no voter can give him, but his anti-gay republican masters can. Just his bum luck that there will be no repub after Jan ’08 who can grant him that wish! What do you bet that once a democrat is in the white house, arnold magically decides it’s time to sign pro-equality legislation?
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Have the nasty tendency to bow down to the party when the pressures really on, especially on things like Iraq and wiretapping. I’m sure she’s a great person, but I’m looking forward to her potential loss in the upcoming election. I haven’t heard any recent news, but I’m pretty sure a popular US Rep from Maine was at least seriously considering a campaign against her… and, if he is running, I hope he wins.
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The UC College Republicans who are quite conservative for a college campus but have a libertarian contingency on social issues debated the UC Dems on gay marriage.
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Who knew there would be such a societal benefit from America’s children glued to hours upon hours of commercial sitcoms & reality shows.
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On American Idol there is a contestant that has some very stereotypical gay mannerisms. I don’t know that flamboyant is the word and I don’t know for sure what his orientation is.
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On the other hand, youth were overwhelmingly open to mind-altering drugs in the late 60’s and early 70’s, and then we got the war on drugs, mandatory sentencing guidelines and an appalling percentage of our population incarcerated for minor drug offenses.
good point, Bean. also, i would hate for anyone to stop pushing hard for civil rights now because they think it will just come naturally and so much more easily when the current youth cohort “grows up”. such promises of heaven are best left to religion, where any failure to materialize results in nothing worse than loss of faith.
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Most of my LGBT friends understand quite well that they still live in a world where they are not viewed as normal. I went to Chicagos aquarium with a bunch of my friends last year including a gay couple and when the held hands in public I thought it was quite touching and endearing but the stares they got from passerby were not so approving.
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Herb Hoffman of Ogunquit (formerly of Cambridge, where I first met him) is announcing today in three press conferences (Portland, Augusta and Bangor) that he is entering the Senate race as an independent. If you want a strong anti-war candidate, he’s about as strong as they come.
… the GOP is smart about such independent thinkers. What they tend to do is count the votes and then if there are any left over, they look around for those that would benefit in their local electorates by breaking with the party. This often times means these same independent thinkers. They are allowed to voice whatever they want all the way up-to and until it gets in their way. As long as they are ineffectual the GOP is glad to have them… unless a better aligned primary challenger comes along and then the activists in the party may make a challenge of the seat.
Maine’s 1st CD Democratic Congressman announced months ago against Collins.
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Since choosing a majority…minority…leader is done in the Cloakroom, you, me and everybody except 49 Senators have no idea who she supported for leader.
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Is it not? Collins and Lieberman, makes no difference.
….for the actual business of government. Not horseracing, government.
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p>I have long thought that there is a Bell Curve of politics. (Damn, I wish I could DRAW on this cocktail napkin!) At either side are the extremes – where the bases live. There is a gradual upward slope on both sides, culminating in a rounded peak – which is where most people in America are. I live about a third of the way up the hill on the right hand side, and suspect you have a corresponding address on the left.
Possibly there are a lot of folks congregated atop the mode of the normal distribution in happy confidence of their majority status. However, there is no evidence that they agree about very much. Moderates include anti-choice economic liberals and socially tolerant jingoists. If there really were so many of them and they really agreed, they’d form a party, write a platform, run candidates, and dominate the government.
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…are so appalled by the actions and rhetoric of the numerically tiny extremes on both sides, which are portrayed as the ‘base’ and true distillation of politics by MSM types who are really just looking for a cheap and controversial quote, that they do not write a platform and form a party because they are horrified by the people involved in the activity.
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What the People of the Napkinville don’t like is disagreement, especially disagreeable disagreement like, say, everything Rep. Boehner says or MoveOn’s ad against Petreaus.
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But I keep a vacation house just over the ridge…
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I used to think that is how the political spectrum worked in the country. Lately I have been thinking of it more as a horse shoe. I say this for two reasons. In some instances the far extremes are getting closure to each other then the majority of the people and they also appear to be moving further away from the majority of the people.
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The Nazis do not come from a socialist party. They were never, say, members of the first internationale, they didn’t trace their ideology to Marx or any other known socialist.
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On how the National Socialist German Workers Party does not have it’s routes in socialism?
… the socialist ties of the Nazis in his book.
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Your and Neiwert’s position only discusses what the Nazi’s had turned into and fails to acknowledge where it began. Which is what I had posted.
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… has much more to do with nationalism that socialism.
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All parts of the Left in Germany can be traced to the SPD. Parties have split off from it temporarily (like the Independent Social Democrats) or permanently (like the communists). The German Workers’ Party, its predecessor, was hostile to the SPD.
… much of German nationalism can be traced back to the mid 1800’s. Young Germans longed for a united Germany rather than the scattered kingdoms, duchies, and counties they had. There used to be a popular drinking song that spoke of “What is the Fatherland?”. Each chorus would supply a potential answer. The one that ‘wins’ in the end is the lands that share the ‘Father-tongue”. In fact, the reason you see a lot of paintings from the era showing women in empire-cut dresses is because the empire-cut itself was a political fashion statement. It was a throw-back to the fashion during the Holy Roman Empire,… the last time Germany was united.
I don’t want to hijack Laurel’s post.
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But if you can trace the NSDAP to Marx by telling us when they split from the social democrats, I’m all ears.
…Meaning there’s nothing upon which to elaborate…
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“Patriot Acto”
“Moral Majority”
“compassionate conservative”
“Blue Skies Act”
“No Child Left Behind”
“Healthy Forest Initiative”
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You know appealing to the Napkinville has been the Democratic strategy since, I don’t know, Jimmy Carter. Republicans have spent the time appealing to their base. Who has won the Presidency more?
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… because of the 51% strategy they employ.
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Peter – my solution is to elect people who share my views on issues facing the country, the state and my town. I’ll take a chance and assume you vote for candidates that reflect your values and ideals as well.
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Ryan, i can’t agree that gay stuff is becoming a non-issue. if it were, the MA legis would have already 1) repealed the 1913 laws, 2) added gender expression to the non-discrimination laws, and 3) backed up the goodridge decision with a marriage equality law.
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I agree with everything you say, which is why I said “quickly becoming.” We’re not their yet, but the younger generation (my gen and younger) is a whole lot more tolerant, as society as a whole moves in our direction, especially in Massachusetts and the Northeast. Furthermore, I was talking as much about people’s perceptions as I was anything else, such as Beacon Hill legislation. Attitudes are shifting and that’s a good thing – many people just don’t care about who’s gay anymore, it’s just not a big deal to many, many more Massachusetts citizens now as it was 10-15 years ago (and heaven’s forbid any longer than that).
aside from the fact that its discriminatory, all these small-gov’t conservatives are trying to pass federal legislation in a case that is clearly the business of states rights in any event.
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Barkley’s abandoned the GOP?! Oh my god, given that, I’d best check on Ophra, and maybe Jane Fonda, then decide my political affiliations.
… who Barkley is and evaluate his reasons instead. He does have some.
But since we can’t crash the boards our views probably are not prime time interviews.
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based on what oprah or barkley think? the point is that they are wildly popular performers/personalities that bring in a lot of money and eyes to any event they are involved with. by losing barkley, the gop has lost some very fine fundraising potential and a fantastic gotv mechanism.
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Did he not write it? Was it someone else?