Blue Mass Group

Reality-based commentary on politics.

  • Shop
  • Subscribe to BMG
  • Contact
  • Log In
  • Front Page
  • All Posts
  • About
  • Rules
  • Events
  • Register on BMG

Valentines Day wish from Senator McCain

February 13, 2008 By Laurel

If you get pregnant, McCain wants to force you to have it.   No matter your interest in or ability to care for it.  No matter the devastation to your life and its.  No matter whether the inseminator has vanished.  No matter what you think.  

Happy Valentines Day.

Please share widely!
fb-share-icon
Tweet
0
0

Filed Under: User Tagged With: abortion, choice, mccain

Comments

  1. mplo says

    February 14, 2008 at 3:13 am

    one doesn’t  have to visit any website of John McCain’s to learn the truth about his record.  The above video says it all….in a nutshell.

  2. kbusch says

    February 14, 2008 at 10:11 am

    McCain is an unusual presence in our polity. The press loves him. A surprising number of Democrats like him or admire him. Conservative Republicans dislike him.

    <

    p>I’m guessing that Democrats (present readership excepted, of course!) have no idea how conservative McCain is. Too many probably think that his mavericky goodness extends to being neutral on reproductive rights — after all, that would be a maverick position for a Republican. It just isn’t his position. His jingoism, too, is a worthy target especially as the Bush Administration has given mindless jingoism a bad name. McCain’s carefully coiffed moderate image puts his jingoism in too soft a light.

    <

    p>I’m wondering what other misperceptions exist among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.

    • laurel says

      February 14, 2008 at 12:54 pm

      have invariably been vets.  they seem willing to put a lot of reservations about him aside because of that one commonality.  i’m sure that there are non-military McCain-friendly dems, but i’ve never met one.

      <

      p>btw, my local repub friends were both giuliani supporters.  when he konked out, one went for paul, the other for mccain.  the mccain supporter actually chose to work on caucus day rather than caucus.  she didn’t really need the money…  the paul supporter vows to vote for anyone other than mccain, and said of the dems he prefers obama because of his intial anti-war stance.  i think it is significant that 2/3 of republicans are voting against mccain.  i feel that the remaining gop candidates represent true, mutually exclusive factions, and that they will not unite cohesively.  whereas the dems will unite into a very large, very tight voting force.

  3. bob-neer says

    February 14, 2008 at 10:16 am

    McCain supports abortion in the case of rape or incest, and says the state should take the woman’s word about whether she was raped or not.

    <

    p>He certainly is opposed to Roe v. Wade, but that in itself doesn’t mean he is anti-choice. Many people think Roe was a bad decision because the Supreme Court legislated rather than decided a court case. They support laws by Congress to make abortion safe and legal. Indeed, one argument is that Roe was the worst thing that ever happened to the pro-choice movement, because it in many ways took the issue of abortion off the political table.

    <

    p>In any event, you can find details of McCain’s position on abortion here. He got a 75% rating from the National Right to Life Committee, which according to them means his record is mixed.

    <

    p>This is what his website says:

    <

    p>

    John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench. Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

    However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion – the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, “At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level.”

    • kbusch says

      February 14, 2008 at 11:10 am

      I’m not sure a statement that includes the line

      However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion.

      counts as evidence that McCain isn’t 100% antichoice.

      <

      p>One must also keep in mind McCain’s right-left-right shift as documented by Yglesias. Look at information from the last three Senates:

      • 2000-2002 McCain is the sixth most liberal Republican
      • 2002-2004: McCain shifts right becoming the fourth most conservative after Sessions, Nickles, and Kyl.
      • 2004-2006: McCain is second most conservative right after his colleague from Arizona.

      Yglesias guesses that McCain was annoyed at Bush after the 2000 election, thus the shift to the left. Whatever the reason this is a remarkable ideological swing. By contrast, one sees that Senators Specter, Cochran, and Imhofe maintain a stable position in these rankings.

    • laurel says

      February 14, 2008 at 12:47 pm

      to put financial and material supports in place for the women he wants to force to give birth?  i’ve seen no indication of it, which tells me that he doesn’t want to support women through and after unwanted pregnancies, he just wants to force the birth.  so most of that big quote you have above is warm ‘n fuzzy crapola.

      <

      p>and what i said above is accurate.  i never claimed that he didn’t have an exception for rape or incest.  but now that you bring that up, i wonder why he devalues the life of a fetus made through rape or incest but not ones created by accident through consensual, non-consanguine sex.  i’ve never understood that gray area some forced-birthers hold.  either you value fetal tissue above all else, or you don’t.  

      • kbusch says

        February 14, 2008 at 12:56 pm

        Per Lakoff, the conservative narrative is that competition, punishment, and negative consequences have a morally purifying effect on the body politic. Women having enjoyable, consensual, non-procreatve, heterosexual sex is possibly sinful or socially harmful. So maintaining the negative consequence is morally upright. Making an exception for rape and incest fits with this moral perspective. It certainly does not fit in with some desire to save human life: after all, the product of a rape is still a human life. It fits the punishment frame much better.

        • laurel says

          February 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

          mccain is on record saying abortion providers, but not women getting abortions, should be punished under the law.  i’m not sure what this means in terms of lakoff’s theory, except that perhaps mccain is not a conservative’s conservative.

      • they says

        February 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm

        Yeah, it’s not necessarily about the fetus’s rights at all, but about equal reproductive rights and ensuring consent.  Rape takes away a person’s right to control their reproduction, forcing one person’s will on another person and forcing them to become a parent.  Abortion in the case of rape is OK because it restores a person’s right to control their reproduction.  On the other hand, legal abortion takes away men’s rights to control their reproduction, giving women 100% control over men’s reproduction.  So, outlawing abortion in cases of consensual sex also restores every person’s equal control over their own reproduction.  

        • laurel says

          February 14, 2008 at 7:46 pm

          you are saying that both people having consensual sex should have a vote in whether an ensuing pregnancy is carried to term.  but what if the two individuals involved disagree?  who breaks the tie?

          <

          p>if, under your line of thinking, a man should be able to force his wife to carry through a pregnancy, what other aspects of her physical life to you think he may legitimately control?

          • they says

            February 15, 2008 at 1:54 am

            carry through.  Neither one would force the other to carry through, if the law were the one forcing them both to carry through.  The last possible equal legal decision point, where both have full control of their reproduction, is when they decide to have sex.  After that decision, they should both be bound to it, because any decision after that is one person controlling another person’s rights, who may not want to reproduce with that person.  But tough, because that is what is consented to when a man has sex, but not, with legal abortion, when a woman has sex.

            <

            p>Now, the situation of both the man and woman desiring an abortion is interesting.  I think it is because we can’t assume that that would happen that we can’t let people hope or assume that that is what would happen, back at sex time.  Allowing for that possibility is a false hope of equal reproductive rights and itself creates the actual situations of coercion and unequal reproductive rights.  The only time when each has full control without either taking control of the other is when they agree to have sex together.  After that, its too late for there to be an equal decision.

Recommended Posts

  • No posts liked yet.

Recent User Posts

Predictions Open Thread

December 22, 2022 By jconway

This is why I love Joe Biden

December 21, 2022 By fredrichlariccia

Garland’s Word

December 19, 2022 By terrymcginty

Some Parting Thoughts

December 19, 2022 By jconway

Beware the latest grift

December 16, 2022 By fredrichlariccia

Thank you, Blue Mass Group!

December 15, 2022 By methuenprogressive

Recent Comments

  • blueeyes on Beware the latest griftSo where to, then??
  • Christopher on Some Parting ThoughtsI've enjoyed our discussions as well (but we have yet to…
  • Christopher on Beware the latest griftI can't imagine anyone of our ilk not already on Twitter…
  • blueeyes on Beware the latest griftI will miss this site. Where are people going? Twitter?…
  • chrismatth on This site (will be disabled on) December 31, 2022I joined BMG late - 13 years ago next month and three da…
  • SomervilleTom on Geopolitics of FusionEVERY un-designed, un-built, and un-tested technology is…
  • Charley on the MTA on This site (will be disabled on) December 31, 2022That’s a great idea, and I’ll be there on Sunday. It’s a…

Archive

@bluemassgroup on Twitter

#mapoli

headlineoptics Headline Optics @headlineoptics ·
3 Apr

OTR: Diana DiZoglio discusses potential retaliation from Mass. Legislature over audit https://www.masspolicyreport.com/2023/04/03/otr-diana-dizoglio-discusses-potential-retaliation-from-mass-legislature-over-audit/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter @masspolicy #MApoli #Massachusetts

Reply on Twitter 1642902408245420032 Retweet on Twitter 1642902408245420032 Like on Twitter 1642902408245420032 Twitter 1642902408245420032
masspolicy MassPolicyReport @masspolicy ·
3 Apr

Mass. Conservatives Win Big in Second MassGOP Caucus: Crush Baker 2.0/Establishment Candidate https://www.masspolicyreport.com/2023/04/03/mass-conservatives-win-big-in-second-massgop-caucus-crush-baker-2-0-establishment-candidate/ #Massachusetts #MApoli #bospoli #MassPolicyReport

Reply on Twitter 1642902143123202050 Retweet on Twitter 1642902143123202050 Like on Twitter 1642902143123202050 Twitter 1642902143123202050
sabadosama Lindsay Sabadosa @sabadosama ·
3 Apr

A huge pleasure to join @RepDylan as he launched the #Massachusetts Friends of UK Legislative Caucus at the home of the @FCDOPeterAbbott. It was wonderful to talk about how we can collaborate to benefit constituents and deepen long-standing ties! #mapoli

2

Reply on Twitter 1642900909020569600 Retweet on Twitter 1642900909020569600 Like on Twitter 1642900909020569600 Twitter 1642900909020569600
theaaholcomb Thea Holcomb @theaaholcomb ·
3 Apr

If you're familiar with #mapoli I have questions for you!

My intern is applying for an internship there - obvs I'm thrilled. 😊 What should she know about how the MA legislature is staffed? What other essential knowledge would you pass along?

Reply on Twitter 1642899676125970436 Retweet on Twitter 1642899676125970436 Like on Twitter 1642899676125970436 1 Twitter 1642899676125970436
masspolicy MassPolicyReport @masspolicy ·
3 Apr

Mounting evidence that the citizens of MA are over taxed https://www.masspolicyreport.com/2023/04/03/mounting-evidence-that-the-citizens-of-ma-are-over-taxed/ #Massachusetts #MApoli #bospoli #MassPolicyReport

Reply on Twitter 1642898875705970690 Retweet on Twitter 1642898875705970690 Like on Twitter 1642898875705970690 Twitter 1642898875705970690
erintiernan Erin Tiernan @erintiernan ·
3 Apr

It's April in #mapoli which means budget season is in full swing. The House will soon pitch a tax relief proposal alongside their 2024 fiscal plan.
- @MBTA staffing shortage cou;d keep trains from running on time
- Auditor DiZoglio won't back down
https://masster-list.com/2023/04/03/massachusetts-house-tax-package-could-be-a-tango-with-healey/

Reply on Twitter 1642898790221770752 Retweet on Twitter 1642898790221770752 1 Like on Twitter 1642898790221770752 Twitter 1642898790221770752
Load More

From our sponsors




Google Calendar







Search

Archives

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter




Copyright © 2023 Owned and operated by BMG Media Empire LLC. Read the terms of use. Some rights reserved.