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Why Republicans are anti-science

December 16, 2009 By medfieldbluebob

The relevant information, for those busy with other things:

Male voters for winner Barack Obama had stable levels of testosterone, but the hormone rapidly declined in males who cast ballots for losers John McCain and Robert Barr.

Scientists were unable to explain Sarah Palin.  

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  1. kbusch says

    December 16, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    By my reading the dip was caused by losing not by being a Republican.

    J. Feldman suggests that the reason conservative populists oppose science is that they believe experts, with fancy degrees and using fancy words, are out to hoodwink Americans. Better, such populists believe, to trust common sense.

    <

    p>This point of view is explicit in Sarah Palin who runs against fanciness as much as against liberalism.

    • pj says

      December 17, 2009 at 12:39 am

      believe that white trailer park trash Sarah Palin.
      She is about as anti-intellectual as they get. She has the IQ of a grape and that insults grapes.

      • johnd says

        December 17, 2009 at 10:17 am

        white trailer park trash Sarah Palin

        • paulsimmons says

          December 17, 2009 at 11:22 am

          Having said that, a thought for your consideration:

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          p>The Republican Party in this matter is no different than the Luddite Left of the early Seventies Democratic Party.

          <

          p>Example 1: The anti-science culture is no different than William Proxmire’s anti-research actions in the Senate.

          <

          p>Example 2: While there were serious questions of design and reactor safety, the anti-nuke movement was profoundly physics-illiterate.

          <

          p>Example 3: “If we can put a man on the Moon why can’t we…”  All this ignored the fact that the science behind Apollo was ancient; what mattered was engineering. It was expensive, but not particularly difficult to put a man on the Moon.

          <

          p>You may want to consider that the Republicans are currently going through a bout of right-wing Lysenkoism.

          • johnd says

            December 17, 2009 at 11:50 am

            But I think this was a “racial” remark. I think this is a large problem is society and often occurs here on BMG when someone will make a racial or some “minority”/group remark which may be “insensitive” and will turned into “racism”… Obviously replacing white with many other subgroups of people would raise the ire of many BMGers.

            <

            p>Racial — of, relating to, or based on a race (a racial minority)

            <

            p>Racism — a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

            • huh says

              December 17, 2009 at 12:07 pm

              We’ll keep that in mind next time you make derogatory remarks about blacks, gays, “immigrants” and Jews.

              <

              p>Question for you: what’s the difference between disliking black people and disliking “black culture?”  

              • paulsimmons says

                December 17, 2009 at 3:55 pm

                I never noted any anti-Semitism, racism or homophobia in JohnD’s posts, and:

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                p>

                Question for you: what’s the difference between disliking black people and disliking “black culture?”

                <

                p>As near as I can tell, John D has never crossed that particular line.

                • huh says

                  December 17, 2009 at 4:53 pm

                  The question about “black culture” comes from a post  from JohnD:

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                  p>

                  As for my racism… I have often believed I was one but have come to believe I am a culturalist which I define as someone who does not like or likes certain cultures.

                  <

                  p>There’s also this JohnD diary comparing the floods in Iowa and New Orleans.

                  <

                  p>Early on he posted a couple of gay jokes. This one for example:

                  <

                  p>

                  If they do knock the McCain sign over, kick it all the way to Hyannis before you bend over to pick it up ๐Ÿ™‚ (1.50 / 2)

                  Help Charlie Baker become the next Governor of Massachusetts.
                  by: JohnD @ Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 15:28:59 PM EDT

                  <

                  p>When called on it his response is that he finds himself interesting and funny.  I personally don’t think calling all gay men rapists is funny.  Your milage may vary.

                  <

                  p>Then there’s this rant about Deval’s daughter coming out:

                  <

                  p>

                  Make me gag (0.60 / 5)
                  Tears are filling my eyes, oh wait that’s bile filling my throat… Who cares. Is this really news that DeVille’s daughter is gay??? So, Dick Cheney’s daughter is openly gay and the VP openly embraces her so should we have freakin parade for both of them. Sorry, I forgot he’s a Republican so let’s ignore that FACT. This is the type of bullcrap news story that I thot this website abhorred? Oh wait, this is about someone who is gay, a woman, a minority and a democrat so criticism would be a capital crime!!!! Thank God Mass doesn’t have the death penalty (actually the people want it overwhelmingly but our politicians have protected us from ourselves… good grief).

                  Help Charlie Baker become the next Governor of Massachusetts.
                  by: JohnD @ Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 13:10:48 PM EDT

                  <

                  p>Here’s an example comment about Jews:

                  <

                  p>

                  A friend of mine who is a prison guard told me if I ever get arrested (no comments please), I should immediately declare my religion as Jewish since at his prison, Jewish inmates gets superb food brought in from outside the prison. The lowly Christians must eat the slop prepared in-house.

                  <

                  p>Hope that helps. I can dig up the anti-immigrant stuff, if you like.

                • paulsimmons says

                  December 18, 2009 at 9:53 am

                  I stand corrected.  

        • kbusch says

          December 17, 2009 at 11:29 am

          I couldn’t figure out what PJ was asserting, so I was reluctant to downrate it. I don’t know what to make of the “Republicrat” reference.

          • huh says

            December 17, 2009 at 12:04 pm

            Wikipedia suggests that the usage has spread. In any case it means:

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            p>

            A derogitory bastardization of Republican and a Democrat based on the belief that one is just as bad as the other, since they are both controlled by the same special-interests, and so we effectively have a one-party system just like the former Soviet Union.

        • neilsagan says

          December 17, 2009 at 12:07 pm

          The class of white people who live in trailer parks are stereotypically perceived as uneducated and anti-intellectual. Categorical thinking is a fallacy every time.

          <

          p>I don’t see how this is racism any more than fruit-ism.  Comparing her intellect to a grape isn’t an insult to grapes or raisins, it’s just to Sarah (and maybe people who think she is smart.)

          • huh says

            December 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm

        • hrs-kevin says

          December 17, 2009 at 2:26 pm

          The only thing “racial” about the remark is that it points out that Palin is white. It in no way suggests anything about whites in general. I suppose it does imply that “Republicrats” don’t trust non-whites, but that seems like a fair enough claim to make.

          <

          p>However, it is insulting to low-income people who live in trailers, so it would be fair to call it a “classicist” remark.

          • christopher says

            December 17, 2009 at 7:13 pm

            I suppose “redneck” could have been used, but maybe someone would object to that as well.  I’m white, but I know that particular stereotype wasn’t directed at me.  I agree that the primary bias in that comment is class/level of education.

            • johnd says

              December 17, 2009 at 7:29 pm

              racist or anti-gay?

              • christopher says

                December 17, 2009 at 7:40 pm

                …but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist, nor does that mean there is absolute equivalence.  Like you pointed out on another thread a white social group might be racially suspect while a black social group would be a source of pride.  There is a Congressional Black Caucus and Hispanic Caucus, but not a White Caucus.  Sotomayor can make a “wise Latina woman” comment while I’d cringe if someone made the same comment substituting “wise white man”.  I know at some level it doesn’t completely make sense, but it is what it is and I for one don’t have too much of a problem with it.

                • johnd says

                  December 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm

                  You are genuine and that is rare these days. Keep it up!

                  <

                  p>You know my obsession with “equivalence” and this was another example. I take offense to the “white trash” remark and “lilly white suburb” and Congress being for “old white men” mainly because of the sense that people can make these “derogatory” remarks about white people but it is so un-PC to do the same about other groups. I’m not sensitive to the remarks (could actually care less) but more to the ability to make those remarks AND the over sensitivty to those who similarly made remarks about their groups prompt such outrage.

                • christopher says

                  December 17, 2009 at 8:31 pm

                  It used to describe my town, though that has changed over the years.  I don’t find that offensive at all if it’s true, and some towns are, not to imply unwelcoming to others, just the objective fact that almost 100% of it’s residents happen to be white.  “Old white men” may in some cases be objective fact too, but also implies a message about their outlook as the traditionally favored.  “White trash” is the most insensitive of the three, but again for the class/education stereotypes more than anything.

                • johnd says

                  December 18, 2009 at 9:41 am

                  but they don’t get a pass by saying them. You seem to want to legitimize statements like the “old white men” in the Senate because for the most part it is true. Can I say something similar about the NBA and blacks. I can guarantee you that remarks about the “young black men” in the NBA would be attacked as racism. If the reality of a situation backs up the saying… do we get a free pass to say it?

                  <

                  p>If stereotypic remarks are acceptable then they should be acceptable for all groups. If not, then they should not be acceptable for ANY group. Why are some stereotypes verboten while others are ok? Do the BMG Rotr discriminate between derogatory remarks for one group (blondes, whites, conservatives, Christian Fundamentalists…) but assails remarks about other groups (gays, blacks, morons, Muslims…)? I’m good either way but it would nice to know.

                • huh says

                  December 18, 2009 at 9:51 am

                  Christopher is white. Commenting on whites may or may not be inappropriate, but it doesn’t make him racist.

                  <

                  p>You, on the other hand, appear to have issues with minorities.  Your remarks are almost always derogatory.

                  <

                  p>It’s all context.

            • huh says

              December 17, 2009 at 9:28 pm

              I have to say the addition of “white” is new to me. Same with “park” for that matter.

              <

              p>People like JohnD are generally just referred to as “no class.”  Race and income are irrelevant.

        • somervilletom says

          December 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm

          The comment is racist and should be removed.

      • medfieldbluebob says

        December 17, 2009 at 12:49 pm

        Sometimes that’s all people can afford. Nothing anti-intellectual about living in a manufactured housing community.  

    • kbusch says

      December 17, 2009 at 8:07 pm

      O’REILLY: Let me be very bold and fresh again. Do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?

      <

      p>PALIN: I believe that I am because I have common sense, and I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other American values. And I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the kind of a spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fact resume that’s based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership. I’m not saying that has to be me.

  2. somervilletom says

    December 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    It isn’t that Republicans are anti-scientific, it is instead that unscientific people (for whatever the cause) choose to be Republican.

    <

    p>And that, by the way, does explain Sarah Palin.

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