Heading off tax increases: Compromise taking shape
Not long after Obama spoke, Democrats ignited a partisan row in the House with legislation that would prevent taxes from rising on lower- and middle-income wage earners but allow them to go up for people at higher incomes.
Given Republican objections, that measure has no chance of passing the Senate. But Democrats there insisted on voting on it Friday as a way to dramatize their support for the measure and, officials said, register unhappiness with Obama.
The president has already signaled he will accede to Republican demands for extending tax cuts at all income levels, making votes on the Democratic-backed bill purely symbolic.
Heckova compromise, Mr. President!
Editor’s note: I hope that kirth will forgive me for hijacking this post. I was considering writing the following up separately, but it fits right in here. I was struck by comments made by Obama’s press guy Robert Gibbs the other day regarding the federal employee pay freeze. They reveal, it seems to me, how profoundly the Obama administration doesn’t understand how negotiation and compromise is supposed to work. Check this out:
Q My question is, why does the President — he did this with off-shore oil drilling, too. Why does the President go out and set — and make these proposals at a podium instead of behind closed doors with your political adversaries in a negotiating position where you might be able to get something in return? What is the President getting in return by making this [the federal employee pay freeze] gesture?
MR. GIBBS: I think $2 billion in savings next year and $28 billion over five.
Q And he does not think that Democrats should try to actually extract some concessions from Republicans when he makes moves that anger the left? Because he has angered the left.
MR. GIBBS: Jonathan, I think on a daily basis we anger many people. That comes with the job of governing. The President makes a series of decisions that he thinks are in the best interest of the country and I think, as he said today, not focused on the next election, but focused on the next generation. That’s why the President made the decision that he made with the deadline that we had — not as a bargaining chip or a bargaining tool, but because it was the right thing to do.
That, I’m afraid, is exactly wrong. Let’s assume (without deciding) that the pay freeze is, in fact, the “right thing to do.” That doesn’t mean you just do it! Because there are lots of other things that Obama wants, and that are also “the right thing to do,” but that the Republicans won’t give him for free. So why not offer them something that they do want – say, the pay freeze – in exchange for something that Obama wants but that they don’t?
I simply don’t understand why Team Obama don’t seem to get how this works. This isn’t “Washington” stuff. This is Negotiation 101.
-David
amberpaw says
It is definitely not on public display, not where I can see it, anyway. Anyone else see spine? Backbone? Political courage?
christopher says
He ran on a platform of simply not expanding slavery and not until halfway through the Civil War did he consider the war about anything besides saving the union. Now of course he is remembered as the Great Emancipator.
christopher says
The House voted today on extending the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers on their first 250K. John Boehner, who had previously said he would vote for this if it were the option on the table today voted against it along with 167 of his GOP colleagues. GOP exploitation of Senate procedures will likely kill it there, but we must beat them at their own game and hammer them for voting for a tax increase just as they would certainly do to us if the roles were reversed.
david says
because we have already surrendered the issue by agreeing to bring up, vote on, and sign into law a bill that extends current tax rates for everyone. Once again, the Dems have taken what would seem to be a can’t-lose issue and turned it into a big win for the other side. Amazing.
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jconway says
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christopher says
I’m not sure about House Dems. The House has done its part; now all it has to do is sit back and watch the Senate do exactly what we expect. If that happens it won’t even make it to the President’s desk, but Dems in the House can say they did their part. The President could point to the GOP and say why didn’t you get tax cuts to my desk.
ryepower12 says
we have to be willing to ‘put up,’ and let the tax cuts expire, then blame the Republicans for being obstructionists who aren’t willing to compromise.
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p>Obama has made it pretty clear that it won’t happen… so I have absolutely no confidence that we’ll be able to save this country from flushing $700 billion down the toilet.
masslib says
to let the cuts exclusively for the wealthy expire. They obviously don’t. I seriously do not recognize these people anymore. I think when we watch Obama sign onto this extension it’s going to be a watershed moment. There really is no going back after that.
kirth says
This was evident back in September. If the House had voted on the issue then, the tax cuts for the rich would have won another year, as the House Democrats attempted to pander before the elections. Since it didn’t come up for a vote until after the elections, they can be all principled and stalwart, knowing that the Senate and Obama will ‘compromise’ by giving the rich another present.
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p>David – no problem; this is a much better post. Glad you could build on mine.
hoyapaul says
I have to say that all of this is quite odd. Obama understands politics. I don’t think there’s anyone who really doubts that — there’s no way you work yourself up from an Illinois state Senator to President (and beat Hillary Clinton) in a mere few years without considerable political acumen.
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p>This isn’t some sort of brilliant political strategy from the mind of political geniuses like LBJ or FDR. This is pretty much Politics 101. Is Obama just surrounded by tone-deaf advisers? Is he getting bad information? I wonder what is really going on here.
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p>There are fellow liberals who feel this way about the Obama approach to health care, and perhaps the stimulus too — that Obama fumbled those issues as well. While I respect that position, I disagree — I thought he handled both issues relatively well and got pretty good policy out of it to boot. But on this…the Administration really has screwed up. I just wish I had a good explanation for it.
masslib says
hell of a campaigner.
ryepower12 says
Obama understood campaigns and getting ahead — he utterly fails at politics, at least if we define politics as managing government in a way that creates a system in which as many people can prosper as possible.
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p>Then again, I think what we see is what we get with Obama, so if you look at his administration through the lens of the corporatist Blue Dogs that they are… they’re not so bad at that kind of politics, either.
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p>We agree that Obama is good at campaigning and electoral politics. But that’s precisely why I don’t understand the Administration’s actions here.
ryepower12 says
the implication in that statement being he may very well be good at politics as he defines it — taking the easy way out, not resisting the growing power of corporations and the wealthy elite, etc. It should be becoming very clear to us that those people are his peeps. He couldn’t declare his Blue Dog/Corporatist status anymore if he painted it in big letters across the White House.
ryepower12 says
They get how it works. This is just who they are. When they want to get tough, they get tough — but they strictly reserve that toughness for when they’re getting flanked by the left.
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p>Otherwise, we’re living with a guy who may or may not be marginally better than the other guys, but who’s marginally better at the cost of doing serious, long-term damage to the credibility of the Democratic Party and government itself.
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p>Obama and the Democrats in Congress have their flaws, but they “may or may not” be better than the Republicans?
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masslib says
and you can’t get spending right (ie the totally botched, tax heavy stimulus), then I think marginally better at best covers it pretty well.
centralmassdad says
good to know
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johnd says
Palin will never run nor should she ever run for POTUS. Unless someone else pops up I’m sticking with Romney.
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jconway says
President Palin will be a lot worse than President Obama and we will be stuck with her if Finegold or another lefty runs against Obama.
ryepower12 says
President Romney has a much better chance of happening — and the differences between Obama and Romney won’t be so huge (particularly once in office and Romney has to campaign for reelection at that point — which would require him to violate just about every Tea Party promise, because their ideas are unelectable once enacted, needing to rely on more moderate voters in a second go-around).
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stomv says
Romney may very well win a general, but she’s not going to win the primary — so he’s not a valid comparison.
ryepower12 says
The Republicans corporate leaders, who have controlled that party for decades, will all line together behind who they think can win in a general and is one of them… and torpedo the Tea Party. Sarah Palin is going to have a target on her back like we’ve never seen before if she runs, and it’ll be the Republicans who crucify her this time — it’ll almost certainly be worse than anything we’ve seen before (Democrats only ever criticized her for legitimate things, like not know what the Bush Doctrine was).
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stomv says
sorry, Mr. Romney.
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ryepower12 says
First of all, you threw in a straw man (emphasis mine).
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p>Key Appointments
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p>Obama reappointed the same defense secretary. He reappointed the failed Ben Bernanke. His Treasury Secretary, etc., is cut from the same cloth. Etc. On so many of the important nominations and appointments, Obama failed to distinguish himself or pick candidates who’d fight for the little guy instead of the big corporations. His latest SCOTUS pick has already capitulated on DADT.
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p>I don’t say any of the above because I like Republican policy or think they could do ‘as good of a job’ as Obama. I say the above because I think the job that Obama has done is so damn dangerous to both the faith people place in the Democratic Party or government in general.
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p>You have to look at the job Obama has done through the lens of the average American who looks at him. What I described above is exactly how they see it. They voted for change, and the American people look at what we’ve done and see it as more of the same. That’s Obama’s fault. He was the only guy who would have had the power to move enough people to actually get the Senate to do its damn job. Yet, Obama’s use of the Bully Pulpit has been shockingly limited.
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p>I know you could read between the lines and see Obama’s been an improvement over Bush in ways that I didn’t describe above — but when you require the populace to read between the lines to see the difference, you’ve already lost. We need to take 2012’s national results and learn from them. More of the same is the path toward a permanent minority and a failed government. We can learn that lesson and improve, renew faith in the Democratic Party and get this country on the right path, or we can face the terrifying alternative.
david says
you’re misunderstanding her action on the DADT case. She did not participate in the case at all, which was entirely appropriate given her involvement with DADT when she was Solicitor General. Previous involvement in the matter is among the most basic reasons for a judge not to participate in a case (a financial or personal interest are some of the others).
ryepower12 says
Obama appointed someone who was “deeply” involved in the case, as she says, and therefore couldn’t participate it. I assume, this means, when it comes around to the SCOTUS, she’ll continue to not participate in it. Which means it will fail, almost certainly by her choice alone.
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edgarthearmenian says
issues as the environment and GLBT are spot on. Though I don’t always agree with you, it is impressive to see the time and effort you put into your analyses.
ryepower12 says
It was a big assertion that I made, so I really had to. I’m glad you appreciated it.
hoyapaul says
While I can’t respond to every point in your interesting post, I would respond to this:
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ryepower12 says
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jconway says
No President Palin for me thank you, thats what a primary challenge does. About as effective for progressive politics as voting for Nader.
ryepower12 says
Palin has a 0% chance of winning, democratic primary challenge to Obama or not. 0%. She’s one of the most toxic political figures out there.
david says
Actually, I don’t think so. If that were so, why would Obama have made such a big show over the last few weeks of not wanting to extend the tax cuts for the rich, only to capitulate and end up with nothing to show for it? That just makes him look weak and ineffective, and nobody wants that.
ryepower12 says
“See, guys, I tried, now you be happy with this “comprise” or no desert for you after your dinner!”
usergoogol says
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david says
But the presidency is the biggest bully pulpit in the land. If you really think that a president can’t shape legislation, I suggest you look into a fellow named Lyndon Johnson. Or any of a number of other presidents who have somehow managed to get what they wanted out of a sometimes recalcitrant Congress.
david says
I happened upon this post at Kos, which has the following relevant passage (the “you” in the post is Obama):
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peter-porcupine says
Forget money – he already took on a progressive challanger and beat him. He isn’t even registered as a Democrat anymore.
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david says
that LBJ didn’t get a lot of stuff through Congress that, left to its own devices, it never would have passed. So, QED.
peter-porcupine says
But the examples in the Kos post you cited are laughable.
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david says
Um, not when he was president. That’s my point – he didn’t have a vote in Congress, yet somehow he managed to get them to do pretty much what he wanted, despite resistance from inside his own party. Sure, he knew how it worked, and that helped. Obama has access to people who know how it works too.
ryepower12 says
Lieberman won on a lie last time (“No one wants to get out of Iraq more than I do”), and now the people of Connecticut pretty much hate him for it.
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usergoogol says
My point is that the bully pulpit is a purely symbolic thing. A pulpit is merely a place from which you can talk to people and people will listen to you because of your ranking.
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david says
Power is power. But it only works if you use it.
hoyapaul says
Though I think you’re over-estimating the value of the “bully pulpit” in your comparison to LBJ.
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somervilletom says
I encourage you to learn more about LBJ before making too many assumptions about how he acquired and used his power. I have relied primarily on the Robert Cairo biographies and my own memories of the Johnson era when I write this, bearing in mind that I was 11 when JFK was assassinated and 16 when LBJ withdrew from the 1968 campaign.
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hoyapaul says
…and they’re perhaps the best political biographies out there, especially his works on LBJ (as well as Robert Moses).
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somervilletom says
I think we’re pretty much on the same page.
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p>I hate sports metaphors. Given President Obama’s passion for basketball, however, I feel compelled to observe that President Obama is playing too clean a game. It’s time for some elbows.
peter-porcupine says
Give Obama a unanimous START vote in return for a THREE year extension of all tax cuts – so it won’t be in an election year next time.
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masslib says
What exactly are they supposed to do to uh prepare themselves in four weeks. I’ll assume you don’t know any of the long term unemployed as you seem to suggest they are just not serious enough.
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peter-porcupine says
christopher says
…for unrelated political victories. Bring START to a vote without delay!
joeltpatterson says
“Give us our millions in extra tax cuts, or we’ll stop the US from inspecting Russian nuclear supplies that could go to unstable countries!”
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p>See, Peter Porcupine? YOU know how to negotiate. You Republicans will credibly threaten to unravel the security system around old Soviet nukes in return for favoritism for the most well-off!
stomv says
to help ensure the safety and well being of our nation from nuclear attack (from Russia, former soviet states, or rogues) — a bill which is as Reagan-esque as it gets, you’d extract three years of huge tax cuts for folks making over $250,000 in exchange for four weeks of peanuts for those who have been suffering for an incredibly long time on peanuts.
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p>Wow. That seems totally fair. Take away peanuts away from folks who have practically nothing and give them to folks who are millionaires, all so we can pass a bill which nearly every Republican not associated with Sarah Palin agrees is a good and necessary component of real national security.
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p>Maybe Republicans should just grow up.
marc-davidson says
are on display in this comment, risk the security of this country to pad the wallets of the very wealthiest.
Moreover, it is totally disingenuous to imply that a temporary extension of the upper-income tax cuts will be anything less than a permanent one, particularly when it is linked to the middle-class tax cut.
What Republicans most fear is the de-linking of the two. It would expose them and their true constituency to the wrath of the electorate. Unfortunately the Democrats are completely incapable of pointing this out.
hesterprynne says
In keeping with the general spirit of this post, I’ll point out that the Democrats long ago caved on extending the maximum number of weeks of UI (in this economy where there are five unemployed people for each available job).
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p>What is on the table is extending UI for those who have not yet reached 99 weeks. These are the people who lost their jobs not at the beginning of the Great Recession but some time during it.
peter-porcupine says
hesterprynne says
since you seem to recognize the value of negotiation. But alas.
peter-porcupine says
somervilletom says
The House passed the appropriate tax relief package yesterday. The GOP threatens to filibuster the same bill in the Senate.
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p>I say “Let them”. President Obama and the Democrat should shine a FLOODLIGHT on each GOP Senator who supports the filibuster. The narrative is obvious: “We Democrats passed a tax relief bill that benefits YOU. The party of the wealthy blocked it. The GOP wrote the original legislation that created the tax increase that you now face, and the GOP forced that increase on you now. President Obama and the Democrats delivered the tax relief you so desperately need. The GOP sabotaged it.”
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p>When terrorists force a child to stand in the line of fire, we blame the terrorists — not the child and not the authorities who are forced to shoot.