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renaissance-mansays
I thought each candidate presented themselves very well. I read the review Quick Thoughts on LG Debate on the MassChange blog. I appreciate the comments and generally agree with a few exceptions.
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Overall I think Massachange may be a bit harse on Deb Goldberg. For instance, I think she hit one question out of the park, “The last 4 Republican Administrations have brought the Lt. Governor up from the second floor to the third floor to be a true partner. What will you do to make sure you are part of a team effort with the new governor if elected?”
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Tim Murray did a nice job answering saying that he would have a frank discussion with the governor elect about a partnership. When Silbert was asked what she would do if she was moved down to the second floor, she replied, “I’d climb right back up there.” Personally, I don’t think it works that way. It all depends on the relationship and it is the Governor’s call not the Lt. Governor’s call. When it came to Deb Goldberg, she said, “She had already talked to each of the 3 candidates for Governor about a partnership and they seemed interested in it.” So I felt that Goldberg had the best grasp of the dynamics of it, Murray second and Silbert last on that particular question.
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The last comment I’ll make is a slightly different take on what I consider a mistatement from the Masschange blog “Does she own an iPod? No, but her kids HAVE EACH HAD THREE DIFFERENT MODELS!?!?!” I did get the impression that her kids have had (collectively) 3 different models of iPod, but not that EACH (3 kids x 3 models=9 iPods) what that number of iPods is I can’t say. Just buying a kid an iPod when they turn a certain age would guarantee different models because they change models at least once or twice a year. But otherwise MassChange deserves credit for getting the info out on the debate!
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Full disclosure: I voted for Tim Murray at the Convention.
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I thought Deb’s comments about having talked to the gov. candidates was a bit presumptous, and probably po’d Tim and Andrea – simply because it’s such a fib. While it’s certainly plausible, and even likely, that each gov. candidate has told each LG candidate that they would look forward to working with them, there’s no way there have been any agreements hammered out. That said, good tactic by Deb to make it sound like she was already planning the general – makes her out to be the presumptive nominee and that does have some import. But I do think the rest of her performance was particularly bad, and not even so much on the actual issues (she did give great negative ad fodder to the others and to Reed Hillman – can’t u see the ad clip now “I drive a Lexus…”), as much on the fact that she didn’t bounce back as much from her dreadful convention showing as she needed to. I think she’s in danger of the conventional wisdom becoming “why is she in this?”
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If that happens, she could be too far gone to have $4 million bring her back.
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I also just generally think that her attitude is lending itself to being set up for disappointment. At least with Tim and Andrea, you know that if they lose, they’ll each be fine. Deb, not so much. She’ll go back to doing what she’s done for her life thus far, and nothing will have changed except a lot more people will know who she is.
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Oh, and as for the ipod thing, my sense was that she’s bought each of her 2 kids 3 ipods – i.e. 6 total. At minium $200 a pop, that’s $1200 on iPods. I’m aware that lots of people have them (I do), but my bigger issue that I should expand on is this: it makes her out to be clearly in a higher socio-economic class, and doesn’t try to be humble or subtle about it – something that Deval does particularly well. A better answer would have said that yes, her children have an ipod and she listens to some of their music. Don’t make such a big deal about having to have bought multiple iPods for your kids — don’t make it out to have been a burden that you “had” to do. Most voters don’t have that luxury. Sure, many wealthy parents might agree with you and know what you mean and say “I know, I have had to get a iPod mini, nano and video for my kid – it’s such a pain!” And those may be the people Deb runs with and sees all the time – her friends are most likely wealthy types from Chestnut Hill and environs – which is totally fine. But it doesn’t mean that the voters are all like that. Even the people she knows in the western ‘burbs where her race will be won or lost are probably richer than the people who will decide this race in those towns. SO my basic point is this: try to “get it” a bit more, try to at least give the appreance, a la Deval, that you understand what most of us do every day and how we live our lives. I get the sense that Andrea does and Tim to a degree as well. I don’t from Deb. As someone said, the rich are not like you and me. I at least want my politicians to try to empathize with where most of us stand in life.
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Thanks.
renaissance-mansays
I agree with most of what you say, although I have no reason to doubt that Deb Goldberg has talked to the three gubinatorial candidates about a partnership. It’s not hard to do, they see each other at the same events all over the state. It just takes initiative, which it seems she has…
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I find Deb Goldberg very personable one on one. Not that the others aren’t.
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But that is not what will decide this election.
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I think a lot can be taken from the debate and would be very curious to know the opinions of “currently disinterested” (I know, but I think you know what I mean) voters on who they like of the three. My guess is that Tim Murray edges out Andrea Silbert and Deb Goldberg in the “LG” image projected during the debate. I guess I give it him on depth and breath.
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My impression of Andrea Silbert is, the “12,000 jobs created” script, while on message, is going to get tired after a while. Question: IS that going to be enough to carry her through the primary? Just my impression there. Who knows maybe her fallback position is to land Secretary of Economic Affairs in a new adminstration? I have to say, and again full disclosure, I voted for Murray at the convention, it seemed she was close to yelling during her convention presentation. Passion is great, but it can also be delivered with other oratorical techniques.
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To your point about Deb Goldberg’s need to recover from the convention. The first step should have been hiring a new video production company. Enough said. If she hasn’t, unless there is a significant improvement in the commercials starting three weeks out from the primary, she’ll be pouring her money down a rat hole. Here is an area where Silbert does seem to have an advantage. Her “burn rate” on cash seems to be lower than the others, so she does seem to be banking cash for the commercials.
Messages in downballot races need to be singular. Voters will pay attention to this race in the last 2 to 7 days before the primary. Seeting things up for that period is what these folks are doing now. I disagree with you on whether the “14,000 jobs” theme will get tired. It may get tired with you and me who are paying attention, but it can’t get tired with voters if they haven’t ever heard it – and won’t hear it enough for it to get tired. Just as Tim’s message of cities and towns can’t get tired and Deb’s message of stop n shop can’t get tired. There simply won’t be enough media (paid or free) from these folks to be a problem for any of them.
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Which is why they all say them in every utterance they make – Andrea swill say “14,000 jobs” at every turn. Tim will say “As Mayor of Worcester…” and Deb will say “As a member of a family that founded S&S…”
Your old friend Scott thought maybe you skipped town or took a new ID.
…of my demise were greatly exaggerated.
I thought maybe you had become a Republican, and joined forces with Hub Politics.
I thought each candidate presented themselves very well. I read the review Quick Thoughts on LG Debate on the MassChange blog. I appreciate the comments and generally agree with a few exceptions.
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Overall I think Massachange may be a bit harse on Deb Goldberg. For instance, I think she hit one question out of the park, “The last 4 Republican Administrations have brought the Lt. Governor up from the second floor to the third floor to be a true partner. What will you do to make sure you are part of a team effort with the new governor if elected?”
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Tim Murray did a nice job answering saying that he would have a frank discussion with the governor elect about a partnership. When Silbert was asked what she would do if she was moved down to the second floor, she replied, “I’d climb right back up there.” Personally, I don’t think it works that way. It all depends on the relationship and it is the Governor’s call not the Lt. Governor’s call. When it came to Deb Goldberg, she said, “She had already talked to each of the 3 candidates for Governor about a partnership and they seemed interested in it.” So I felt that Goldberg had the best grasp of the dynamics of it, Murray second and Silbert last on that particular question.
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The last comment I’ll make is a slightly different take on what I consider a mistatement from the Masschange blog “Does she own an iPod? No, but her kids HAVE EACH HAD THREE DIFFERENT MODELS!?!?!” I did get the impression that her kids have had (collectively) 3 different models of iPod, but not that EACH (3 kids x 3 models=9 iPods) what that number of iPods is I can’t say. Just buying a kid an iPod when they turn a certain age would guarantee different models because they change models at least once or twice a year. But otherwise MassChange deserves credit for getting the info out on the debate!
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Full disclosure: I voted for Tim Murray at the Convention.
Back from a great dinner. Yummy mexican.
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I thought Deb’s comments about having talked to the gov. candidates was a bit presumptous, and probably po’d Tim and Andrea – simply because it’s such a fib. While it’s certainly plausible, and even likely, that each gov. candidate has told each LG candidate that they would look forward to working with them, there’s no way there have been any agreements hammered out. That said, good tactic by Deb to make it sound like she was already planning the general – makes her out to be the presumptive nominee and that does have some import. But I do think the rest of her performance was particularly bad, and not even so much on the actual issues (she did give great negative ad fodder to the others and to Reed Hillman – can’t u see the ad clip now “I drive a Lexus…”), as much on the fact that she didn’t bounce back as much from her dreadful convention showing as she needed to. I think she’s in danger of the conventional wisdom becoming “why is she in this?”
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If that happens, she could be too far gone to have $4 million bring her back.
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I also just generally think that her attitude is lending itself to being set up for disappointment. At least with Tim and Andrea, you know that if they lose, they’ll each be fine. Deb, not so much. She’ll go back to doing what she’s done for her life thus far, and nothing will have changed except a lot more people will know who she is.
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Oh, and as for the ipod thing, my sense was that she’s bought each of her 2 kids 3 ipods – i.e. 6 total. At minium $200 a pop, that’s $1200 on iPods. I’m aware that lots of people have them (I do), but my bigger issue that I should expand on is this: it makes her out to be clearly in a higher socio-economic class, and doesn’t try to be humble or subtle about it – something that Deval does particularly well. A better answer would have said that yes, her children have an ipod and she listens to some of their music. Don’t make such a big deal about having to have bought multiple iPods for your kids — don’t make it out to have been a burden that you “had” to do. Most voters don’t have that luxury. Sure, many wealthy parents might agree with you and know what you mean and say “I know, I have had to get a iPod mini, nano and video for my kid – it’s such a pain!” And those may be the people Deb runs with and sees all the time – her friends are most likely wealthy types from Chestnut Hill and environs – which is totally fine. But it doesn’t mean that the voters are all like that. Even the people she knows in the western ‘burbs where her race will be won or lost are probably richer than the people who will decide this race in those towns. SO my basic point is this: try to “get it” a bit more, try to at least give the appreance, a la Deval, that you understand what most of us do every day and how we live our lives. I get the sense that Andrea does and Tim to a degree as well. I don’t from Deb. As someone said, the rich are not like you and me. I at least want my politicians to try to empathize with where most of us stand in life.
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Thanks.
I agree with most of what you say, although I have no reason to doubt that Deb Goldberg has talked to the three gubinatorial candidates about a partnership. It’s not hard to do, they see each other at the same events all over the state. It just takes initiative, which it seems she has…
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I find Deb Goldberg very personable one on one. Not that the others aren’t.
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But that is not what will decide this election.
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I think a lot can be taken from the debate and would be very curious to know the opinions of “currently disinterested” (I know, but I think you know what I mean) voters on who they like of the three. My guess is that Tim Murray edges out Andrea Silbert and Deb Goldberg in the “LG” image projected during the debate. I guess I give it him on depth and breath.
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My impression of Andrea Silbert is, the “12,000 jobs created” script, while on message, is going to get tired after a while. Question: IS that going to be enough to carry her through the primary? Just my impression there. Who knows maybe her fallback position is to land Secretary of Economic Affairs in a new adminstration? I have to say, and again full disclosure, I voted for Murray at the convention, it seemed she was close to yelling during her convention presentation. Passion is great, but it can also be delivered with other oratorical techniques.
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To your point about Deb Goldberg’s need to recover from the convention. The first step should have been hiring a new video production company. Enough said. If she hasn’t, unless there is a significant improvement in the commercials starting three weeks out from the primary, she’ll be pouring her money down a rat hole. Here is an area where Silbert does seem to have an advantage. Her “burn rate” on cash seems to be lower than the others, so she does seem to be banking cash for the commercials.
Messages in downballot races need to be singular. Voters will pay attention to this race in the last 2 to 7 days before the primary. Seeting things up for that period is what these folks are doing now. I disagree with you on whether the “14,000 jobs” theme will get tired. It may get tired with you and me who are paying attention, but it can’t get tired with voters if they haven’t ever heard it – and won’t hear it enough for it to get tired. Just as Tim’s message of cities and towns can’t get tired and Deb’s message of stop n shop can’t get tired. There simply won’t be enough media (paid or free) from these folks to be a problem for any of them.
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Which is why they all say them in every utterance they make – Andrea swill say “14,000 jobs” at every turn. Tim will say “As Mayor of Worcester…” and Deb will say “As a member of a family that founded S&S…”