How does one expect to win (money not included), when you refuse to attend events in Fall River New Bedford, Framingham, Boston, and Marlboro. Both Camps told these organziers that they would be there…. And I suppose that there were much more important things to do ????
I know Murray was in attendence, I saw him and his crew in the the North End, FallRiver and I spoke to him in New Bedford and Framingham.
But I know it means nothing because he does not have the 2 million dollars of his own cash, and his efforts of running a state wide campaign is not a good way of trying to win. It maybe all for not, I think his camp ,like Patricks deserves an (A) for pursuing a real old fashion grasstroots style of campagin. I am sure that the primary voters appreciates hard work, more then the $$$ that some try to throw at us every other minute on the Telly BOX .
Ok, high guy. What’s your definition of MIA? Not at an event you perceive someone should be? What events are you talking about? Who the organizers? Are the organizers Murray supporters already willing to make this sort of claim?
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Your post is light on details and high on a pretty lame Murray strategy to try and tie Andrea and Goldberg together. Murray’s only hope is that Andrea and Deb split the vote and it’s pretty clear that Deb will never be confused with Andrea. Neither will Tim for that matter, although I do confuse him with all the other white, irish pols around here.
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I looked on Andrea Silbert’s website a couple of weeks ago, and she had her own events pretty much every day through mid-august, including Pittsfield, just for you, high guy. I’m guessing that she was already committed
I am very offended by that statement since your assuming that all white Irish politicians have a taint of corruption, conservatism, and aloofnes. Granted all stereotypes are grounded in some truth but you should look at the individual candidates.
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I support Michael Sullivan for Clerk of Courts and Tim Murray for LG not because like them I am white and Irish, using that logic I should also be supporting Tom Reilly but I support Deval who does not share my race, ethnicity, or economic background. The reason I support Tim Murray is because I believe he is the best candidate for the job, he has the most government and the most executive and legislative experience out of the three, they all have identical liberal positions on all the issues, he has high name recognition in the western half of the state, and he will balance out the ticket with Deval.
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Michael Sullivan has consistently been a progressive voice on the Cambridge city council and especially on the issues of constiuent services and how the government can help individual people sort through their problems.
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So next time instead using acist, anti-Irish, and anti-Catholic labels to define your positions on the issues you should be independent minded and evaluate each individual candidate on the basis of their merits.
Good point, jconway. No need for that stuff. But Jumpster is right to call highhopes on this post.
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“…when you refuse to attend events in Fall River New Bedford, Framingham, Boston, and Marlboro. Both Camps told these organziers that they would be there….”
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Without any backup, this is ridiculous. If you want to make the point that there’s an army of Murray field people that will carry the day, fine. But this is Bush-league stuff. Throw the evidence out there, or take it back.
So you don’t have a problem with Highguy’s 4th or 5th post of trying to tie Andrea Silbert and Deb Goldberg together? He’s obviously trying to play a Jewish woman card and anyone that would put the undeserving Goldberg anywhere near Andrea, or Tim Murray for that matter, deserves a smack. Apparently that doesn’t bother you quite as much.
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Believe me, I could give a flying one about whitness or irishness. And I never mentioned catholicness, but I could care about that too or muslimness or agnosticness or protestantness. In fact, I didn’t say I had a problem with white, irish, catholic pols in any way shape or form, so count to ten before you get so overheated.
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I was making a sarcastic point, which you got by the way. Wasn’t meant to offend, rather to simply call out a bald-faced strategy by this poster.
It’s impossible for a statewide candidate to be everywhere at once, so I agree that the criticism levelled at Goldberg and Silbert is unwarranted.
But as for your remark about “white, irish [sic] pols”, even if that was just a poorly executed attempt at humour, we don’t need racism of any kind here.
Of course it’s impossible to everywhere at once. I’m suggesting that highhopes may be MAKING THIS STUFF UP. Shouldn’t a post like that require some back up? If they’ve got some real details why aren’t they posted? I’d stand down in a second if commitments were made and then broken by these candidates. But if there’s no back-up, the poster should be called out on it. Editors?
Although Silbert’s website doesn’t list past events, from the pace of events she’s holding over the next few weeks, it’s likely she was at events all weekend. Ditto for Deb G.
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If Andrea wasn’t holding events, then she was probably hanging with her hubby and 3 kids, which is fine by me since they’re on vacation and she’s allowed to be a mom. Politics is a job, but for some people, unfortunately it’s their life. I want someone representing me who, from time to time, makes a decision to NOT go to a political event and instead spends some time with their family. Who knows if that’s what Andrea (and Deb) were doing, but it’d be cool if it was.
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On the Irish thing (which you anti-Silbert/Goldberg people are shamelessly trying to blow up into something it’s note, remember this from 8 years ago TODAY (see end of 2nd para. – kinda eerie, eh?). (I’ve edited this for copyright and relevance reasons…) It’s fascinating to see that Pines was leading Reilly in $$ after July. I believe these comments triggered a huge spike in Reilly’s fundraising that allowed him to compete on the air and, ultimately, prevail.
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NEWSPAPER REPORT PUTS PINES ON DEFENSIVE CONTROVERSY DAMPENS ENDORSEMENT BY NADER
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It should have been the high point of Senator Lois Pines’s campaign for attorney general — the king of consumer advocacy, Ralph Nader, standing by her side calling her “the woman for all seasons when it comes to consumer protection.”
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Instead, Pines found herself in retreat, trying to defuse a report yesterday in the Middlesex News that she had accused Jack Connors, her opponent’s fund-raiser and chief executive of one of Boston’s largest advertising firms, of making negative comments about Jews and gays during a conversation with her in May — a charge he adamantly denies. Pines is quoted in the newspaper attributing a comment to Connors, saying it “was so out of left field I was absolutely struck. Of course [the comment] bothered me, because I know that I am taking on all the old Irish old boys.”
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But yesterday, Pines seemed to have a different interpretation of the comments, insisting under questioning from reporters that Connors’s supposed references to Jews and homosexuals were made in jest and that she had never considered them offensive.
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“I never suggested nor intended to suggest the comments were in any way anti-Semitic or homophobic,” said Pines, who is Jewish.
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For his part, Connors, a leading Boston philanthropist who has developed and donated advertisements to promote racial harmony and who is a fund-raiser for the Anti-Defamation League, says he never made the comments Pines attributes to him.[…]
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Pines defended herself during a press conference yesterday called to tout Nader’s endorsement of her.[…]
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The Pines vs. Connors battle has emerged as Pines, who holds a large fund-raising lead against Middlesex District Attorney Thomas Reilly, has found herself on the defensive about her fund-raising techniques. The Globe reported in May that she had made late-night phone calls to her opponent’s contributors, urging them to change allegiances, and in at least two cases, issued veiled threats.
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Connors, who has supported Pines in the past but joined Reilly’s team in this campaign, was named in the story as one of those whom Pines allegedly threatened. She reportedly reminded him that he was chairman of the board of Partners Health Care Systems Inc., the parent company of Massachusetts General and Brigham and Women’s hospitals in Boston, and noted that she, if elected, would hold influence over future mergers and acquisitions the company might make.
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Pines, in an interview with the Globe in May, denied making such a threat to Connors, and yesterday called his description of her conversation with him “a lie.”
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Since making the allegation against Pines public, Connors has found himself under attack.
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Pines does not deny she told the Middlesex News that Connors said, “I can’t let all the Jews only contribute to you.” Pines had called Connors to complain about his solicitation of a Jewish donor for her opponent’s campaign.
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She also does not deny the newspaper report that she suggested Connors was dismissive of a lesbian couple, describing one of them by saying, “as you folks and your friends say, `partner.’ “
But even though she relayed Connors’s supposed comments to the newspaper, Pines says she never meant to say they were inappropriate, homophobic, or anti-Semitic. Asked why she bothered to even describe the comments, she responded that she was simply responding to the Middlesex News editor’s request that she detail the conversation in which she had allegedly threatened him.
“I tried to answer truthfully,” she said.
But the Middlesex News stood by its story of Pines’s characterization of Connors’s supposed comments.[…]
Pines never mentioned Connors’s supposed comments during several interviews with the Globe about the same conversation in May. Connors makes this point adamantly.
“If there were any truth to these scurrilous allegations, Lois Pines would have raised them earlier,” he said.
Reilly said Pines’s “inflammatory comments” about Connors indicated she was unfit to be the state’s chief law enforcement officer. “She lacks the judgment and temperament vital to serve the citizens of Massachusetts as attorney general,” he said.
I am sorry if I offended anyone including “jumpster” with my last post for Goldberg and Silbert being MIA last weekend. I stated what was told to me by people at these event. I am puzzled how one can draw any sort of racial intent by my this post??? I believe that Murray’s camp has only one way off getting their message out and that is by going to every city and town working the old fashion way day/night.
Does anyone really think that Deb can really relate to the average person who has had to make major decisions in their daily lives to basically survive? Because if someone can tell me that she can ,and that she is really ready for this positon based on all the hard work that she has done over her adult life in public service then I will be the first to suport her if she is to win the primary. Throwing 2 million bucks into this race is a pretty big accomplish, and one has to wonder why someone would want this “low key, down graded ticket position”??? I think Andrea has done a good job at attempting to get the primary voters into thinking it’s all about jobs, I respectfully disagree with her sole message.
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Murray’s message in my opinion is very clear, he is the only one tallking about fighting to increase local aide for our cities and town, working to clean up our BrownFields, increasing commuter rail services, fighting to keep our teachers in the classroom, and our police and firefighters on the street. He like most of us has had to make hard decisions that effect our daily lives,unlike Deb and I can not speak about Silbert on this. We need someone who has the experience, one who can get relate to the average man/women in this state. I think Murray’s position as Mayor in a large city has to count for something over a millionare, and a person (SilBERT) who has benefited from the taxpayers by starting her NON PROFIT/NON PAYING TAXES BUSINESS.
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And for the record JUMPSTER, I am Jewish and my lovely wife is half Irish.
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I’d finish the joke, but considering the trouble you got into with the irish reference earlier, I think I’ll refrain. đŸ˜‰
Hey Gary trust me, I have been offended many times, believe me. But I do enjoy a good joke. So don’t hold back let everyone know what it is. It’s sounds like you got scared away, come on were all adults and you would not be getting racial on me would you ????? Not worth it GARY, life is way to short to act like this. Just watch the news, you will see what’s going on in the real world…
Highhopes, you make some good points for your guy, but you’re so all over the place and throw in so many gratuitous whacks on Goldberg and inaccurate things about Silbert, that I think you ultimately hurt Murray. If you attended all of the events you claim you did, why don’t you cite the exact events and name the organizers who told you Goldberg and Silbert committed but never showed? Your inability to use any facts so far is glaring.
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And on your new charge that Silbert “has benefited from the taxpayers by starting her NON PROFIT/NON PAYING TAXES BUSINESS”… she founded and ran a program that helped create over 14,000 jobs, which generate over $400 million in taxes every year.
Let me get this right Andrea has received thousands of dollars from the state and federal government and started up this NON PROFIT agencies that produced jobs?? The number that is being thrown out there is a little inflated but that’s politics. But within these grants, things are purchased, like buildings, correct ? If all this being equal and the way I understand it once a property is purchased or built, it comes off the tax rolls from where ever it is located, therefor it does not pay any taxes. The question remains does Andrea pay taxes with her non profit business? How many other people benefit from this non profit business? What is the average salary of her employees? What other perks does this non tax paying business give her ? Come on let’s be honest and state the facts, Andrea’s message is a little bleak.Public service is about assisting people, not making a healthy living off of it.
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As far as the MIA it’s not up to me to ask every person at every city or town their name. I know that they statd that both Deb and Andrea said they would be at theses events. Again I am sure their plans changed, I can say that a few people in NEW BEDFORD were a tad dissapointed that they were MIA. Good LUCK……
Weak response, highguy. You Headline a post with all caps about Goldberg and Silbert being MIA… but can’t bring yourself to use one single fact (which you say are important to you “let’s be honest and state facts”) to back up your original point.
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Regarding the Non Profit tangent you seem determined to focus on, I think you have a very poor understanding of the Center for Women and Enterprise. Andrea founded and managed this organization for 10 years. Any money she earned from it, she paid taxes on. That’s how all salaries work. And the people served by the CWE (now over 12,000) have collectively started and grown businesses employing over 14,000 people and generate over $400 million in revenue every year. Check out CWE’s website, for all the details. If you’re so concerned with Andrea earning a living as CEO of a job creating organization, why aren’t you calling for Murray to forgoe his public service salary?
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I can’t wait to cast my vote for the Democratic ticket in November… whether it’s /Silbert, /Murray or /Goldberg. Wish your posts would reflect the same enthusiasm.
Andrea would not be a CEO if she did not file for NON PROFIT STATUS. Tell me that I am wrong on this one. Tell me her enterprise again you keep floating the numbers is does not have property in which they do not pay taxes on? Now lets see how many citzens in the Commonwealth get a break on their property taxes, and make a wealthy living off the governments money…of course they pay on their salaries, I never said they didn’t. Who would mind paying taxes to Uncle Sam if your making the money Andrea is, again off the government.
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As far as Murray’s salary goes look him up, he by far makes and has the least when comparing DEB and Andrea’s bank accounts. Your right they may have all started business but the question remains how did they get their start and again how much taxes did they pay. The answer is simple zero. The fact is nonprofits pay nothing in property taxes so if all 12,0000 (which before was 14,000) started a business through Andrea’s business then how many properties did they take off the city or towns tax rolls ???
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Wouldn’t it be nice for all of us to get a “payment in lieu of taxes” like these non paying businesses do. You can’t have both ways, either they pay taxes or they don’t, and I know for sure they do not covered by the NON PROFIT STATUS.
You must be a nightmare to argue with.
I feel like responding to you is a waste of time, and that nothing could change your mind about Silbert, but I can’t let your repeated inaccuracies stand.
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Andrea Silbert attended Harvard Business School and worked at Morgan Stanley. Just because she chose to shift her focus to economic development in Latin America and then running the non-profit Center for Women and Enterprise doesn’t give you a reason to say she couldn’t have been a CEO. Would you make the same silly argument about the CEO of non-profit Mass General Hospital or non-profit Holy Cross? Why not throw in entities like public libraries and schools while you’re at it. And you must be high if you think she got wealthy while working at CWE. She drives a beat up Subaru and lives in a modest house. If you’re (not “your” :)) so fired up about wealth, focus your time and energy on Goldberg.
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And when it comes to numbers, it’s 10,000 individuals whose work has led to 14,000 jobs that Andrea Silbert helped to create as CEO of the “NON PROFIT”. But she left CWE a year or two ago and since then the “NON PROFIT” has apparently helped another 2,000 people. You seem to have something against non-profits… weird.
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Sorry to say this is my last post replying to you highguy… it’s been annoying, but fun.
OK, HH, let me do the basic research for you.
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The Center for Women and Enterprise is located in the building housing the Borders Bookstore in downtown Boston on school street. That building is assessed at $8,301,061.00. I honestly do not know if that assessment would be higher were CWE not a tenant and a for-profit a tenant in CWE’s space. Perhaps, but given that a national chain store is located there, there is every indication that such a building is worth more than its assessed value (Boston, as most should know, does NOT assess its buildings at 100% market value, but rather at a fraction thereof).
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Furthermore, while CWE’s lease is likely not “triple net” like many commercial tenants (i.e. RE taxes, operating expenses and common charges are included in the monthly rent) due to its non-profit status, it would be highly unlikely that CWE’s Boston landlord didn’t factor in its non-profit status when setting the rental amount.
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So, the claim that CWE doesn’t pay property taxes, while true, is irrelevant because it is a tenant in a commercial office building that will pay the city of Boston more than $255,000 in property taxes in FY07.
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Next: CWE’s Worcester Office is located at 50 Elm Street. That building is assessed at $654,400 meaning that, at a tax rate of $25.20 per thousand, CWE’s landlord is paying the City of Worcester at least $16,000 per year in property taxes.
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As for income taxes paid on their corporate income, you are correct: CWE’s chapters pay neither Massachusetts (9.5%) or Federal (34-35%) corporate income tax because of the organization’s tax exempt status. But if you have a problem with that, take it up with your federal or state elected officials, because they’re the ones who can change that. And good luck making that pitch to them, I’m sure they’ll be very receptive.
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As for income taxes on CWE wages, that’s been debunked already.
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So, to recap: HH’s assertions about property tax matters are irrelevant; his points about “Andrea not paying Uncle Sam” are erroneous, misleading and demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the income tax system; and his inferred contention that CWE doesn’t pay corporate taxes is correct.
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Oh, and I’ll reiterate again what others have recently posted: you can thank Andrea Silbert’s initiative for helping not just 10,000 people, but 12,000; creating not 14,000 new jobs but 15,000, and not $400 million in annual taxable income, but $430 million – and that last amount is every year, folks. Take away that initiative, and we are down millions and millions in the state coffers, which are hurting enough already. Source of data.
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Got any other balloons you want popped, HH?
The fact still remains that NONPROFITS do not pay PROPERTY TAXES,and Andrea’s business benefited from this status.
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What I said regarding Andrea not being a CEO was she would not be a CEO of this company (because it’s a nonprofit),I never said that she was not a quailfied person to be a CEO.
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One can throw numbers out about who rents from who, what does not change is EVERY nonprofit gets a break no matter what one says. It would be great if we all could open a business on the state government back, make a decent living and receieve property and payroll tax breaks.
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By the way I would never support Deb Goldberg, her lack of being able to relate to the those of us who struggle every day to make ends meet makes this a easy choice. Goldberg’s family money is and should not be a reason to elect someone to any public office.
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…when it comes to non-profits. Yes, if a non profit owns property, they are exempt from paying property taxes. That is a fairly well known concept. You somehow want to tar Andrea Silbert with this “burden”. Problem is, the non-profit she founded and ran never owned any buildings and therefore they were never exempt from paying property taxes–and that was your whole point. So your rant was useless and I thank Hoss and SP for trying to explain things to you. But given the anger you have over nonprofits not paying property taxes, I doubt you can see the keyboard in front of you.
YEs, your right about the NONPROFITS, however Andrea had many in her camp have continued to stated that she is a the best qualified for LG based on her governments break. Let’s face it she would not be a CEO of her enterprise if she did not get the status. How many others would like to have the government assist them in not paying sales/property taxes??
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On a lighter note, please do not included nonprofits, like our churches,schools,and social agencies. Andrea’s nonprofit allowed her and many others to make a healthy living, a far cry from the normal and well serving non profits. Be true to oneself, and state the facts.
you’re rattling off a bunch of lies and half-truths. No real point engaging you. I’ll let your posts, my posts and those of others to let readers decide who has a ax to grind here.