The growing influence of atheist and agnostic activist bloggers presents a challenge for Democratic elected officials and candidates who must win the support of all members of their own Party without completely alienating the rest of the electorate. How will tensions within the Party over advocacy groups’ atheism/agnosticism versus religion affect the selection of candidates and the Party’s ability to craft a message that the nation at large will support?
Although not all participants in the leftist blogosphere are atheists or agnostics, 49% at DailyKos, (the foremost of the irreligious blogs), agree with the statement that “God Does not exist and never did”; and “there is nothing supernatural, no spirit; the universe is completely natural and has no higher aspect.” Another 16% agree that “It is my firm belief that I really, really do not know”; “that we cannot know (well thought out devout agnostic).” So, a total of 65% percent of participants at the DailyKos do not believe in God at all. DailyKos Poll This August they will be meeting in Chicago in to explore ways to share their philosophy with the rest of America.
Markos Moulitsas, the founder of DailyKos, says that he and his followers often find public expressions of faith “grating” and “imposing”. “Morality and ethics don’t have to come from religion”, says Mr. Moulitsas. “Religious values are no more superior than the values I learned from my abuelita . . .Or the values someone might learn by contemplating the great philosophers. Or whatever. Values are important . . . But that doesn’t equal “talking about religion”. Markos Moulitsas Story
An DailyKos atheist going by the name “Vjack” says, “I have proposed here that we use an accurate definition in which “atheism” is defined as “the lack of belief in a god or gods” and “atheist” is defined as “one who lacks belief in a god or gods.” If we refuse to educate the public about this, we must share in the blame for the social stigma surrounding atheism.” Vjack Story
A recent Gallup poll found that atheists are the least trusted group in America. Editor and Publisher Meanwhile, “A new survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press finds that a presidential candidate’s religion plays a key role in shaping voter choice. Nearly four-in-ten (39%) say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who is “Christian” the second most positive trait tested, behind only “military service” (48%).” Pew Center
According to the Pew poll,
A candidate’s religion continues to play a key role in shaping vote choice. Nearly four-in-ten (39%) say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who is Christian. Moreover, 63% say they would be less inclined to support a presidential candidate who does not believe in God – the most negative trait tested. Pew Center
With polls showing that the public is more committed to religious beliefs rather than less, it appears that, to the degree to which atheist/agnostic groups are able to impose both their political and anti-religious beliefs on the Party and the selection of its candidates, it may be increasingly difficult for candidates to win elective office.
The Pew study goes on to say,
Since the late 1980s, polls have consistently shown that most Americans think religion’s influence on the nation is waning. The only exception to this pattern was in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, when Americans overwhelmingly felt that religion’s influence was on the rise.
Today, roughly six-in-ten (59%) say religion is losing influence on American life, while 34% say it is gaining influence. And, overwhelmingly, Americans favor more, not less, religion in the country. Fully 79% of those who say religion’s role is declining representing 50% of the public overall believe this is a bad thing. Meanwhile, among the minority who feel religion’s influence is growing, more say it is good than bad, by a margin of almost two-to-one. Pew Center
Meanwhile, also according to Pew,
Americans overwhelmingly consider the U.S. a Christian nation: Two-in-three (67%) characterize the country this way, down just slightly from 71% in March 2005. A decade ago, Americans were somewhat less likely to tie the nation’s identity to Christianity. In 1996, 60% considered the U.S. a Christian nation. By 2002, however, the figure had climbed to 67%, and since then views on this question have remained fairly consistent. Pew Poll Data
So, Democratic elected officials and candidates are caught between a public that deeply values religion and an atheist activist blogger splinter Party faction that is openly hostile to religion and believes that religion should be barely apparent if at all in Democratic candidates’ policies and personalities. Moreover, they seek added respect from the Party for atheism and agnosticism.
In an essay entitled “Atheist Pride”, a DailyKos member who writes under the pseudonym “simplicio” explains:
For too long, atheists, agnostics and all other manner of non-believers have been told by society, in essence, there’s something wrong with not believing in God. This comes in the form of open hostility and concern for the atheist “soul” with comments such as “we’re praying for you that you find God.” Personally, I feel quite content with my atheism and with living a life guided by the principles of humanism and ethics not based on the existence of a supernatural overseer. Simplicio Diary
Atheist and agnostic bloggers are offended by religious expression in politics, but they say they perceive atheism growing in America and they seek more respect for atheists. DailyKos Story Politically, they strive for a Party in which atheists and agnostics “are a large and growing portion of Americans and a major force among progressives.” DailyKos Story
Not all DailyKos members are atheists, but the political strategies developed by the group are grounded in their predominantly atheist philosophy. DailyKos Story
One DailyKos group member writes, “I think it’s time atheists started to come “out” more.” “I really don’t see a way of restoring political discourse to a balanced position in the U.S. without squeezing at least some of the God out of it.” DailyKos Story
Another DailyKos atheist explains why atheists bloggers feel they should be more open about their lack of faith. “Renee in Ohio” explains, “When someone identifies as an atheist, people tend to see that as a rejection of something that is an important foundation they have build their lives around. It feels threatening.” DailyKos Story
Of course, atheist/agnostic bloggers and al
l Americans have a Constitutional right to practice or not practice religion as they choose, with our First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States providing that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The First Amendment
Nonetheless, in this effort to scour religion from the body politic, there may be serious negative ramifications for the Democratic Party to the extent that atheist and agnostic preferences become manifest in Democratic policy statements and candidate selection. In Pew’s national polls of voters, “Fully 79% of those who say religion’s role is declining representing 50% of the public overall believe this is a bad thing.
The issue of anti-religious bloggers’ influence on the Democratic Party has already come to the fore in the 2008 presidential race, with Republican religious groups successfully demanding that John Edwards fire bloggers who had ridiculed Catholics’ beliefs. WaPost
Far from being over, there is every reason to believe that the Edwards blogger controversy, which for the religious became a scandal, was only the first shot across the bow in a war that will pit anti-religious bloggers against an intensely religious public and Republicans, with Democratic politicians caught in the crossfire, “damned if they do and damned if they don’t.” MyDD Blog
While Republican-linked groups demanded that John Edwards fire his anti-religious bloggers, left-wing bloggers, led by MyDD (connected to DailyKos) simultaneously demanded that Edwards retain his anti-religious bloggers. The combat between the a-religious and the religious defenders resulted in a week of paralysis within the Edwards campaign, with Edwards first bowing to the bloggers and then to their right-wing religious opponents. Based on what the Edwards bloggers had written and published, it was hard to argue that their writings were negative toward others’ religious beliefs.
One of the anti-religious Edwards bloggers had written that:
The Catholic church is not about to let something like compassion for girls get in the way of using the state as an instrument to force women to bear more tithing Catholics.” She also questioned, in explicit language, what would have happened if the Virgin Mary had taken the emergency contraceptive called Plan B. WaPost
During Edwards’ week of indecision over the bloggers’ fait, Chris Bowers, managing editor at the MyDD blog, (who also publishes at DailyKos), threatened to torpedo Edwards’ campaign if Edwards fired the anti-religious bloggers. Bowers Story Bowers initially called it a “great victory” when Edwards initially decided to keep the bloggers on.
But, as public pressure mounted on television, talk radio and within the Democratic Party, Edwards was forced to remove the anti-religious bloggers, even at the risk of incurring anti-religious blogger community wrath and foregoing the organizational support and fundraising they had promised to Edwards. MyDD
Yet, the anti-religious statements of the Edwards bloggers are hardly isolated in the atheist/agnostic blogosphere. Another atheist blogger at DailyKos said, “If 97% of people are “god believers”, then I’d argue 97% of the crime/social disorder is caused by those “god believers”.” DailyKos So anti-religious are many atheist/agnostic bloggers that they scrupulously refuse to follow the convention of spelling the words “God” and “Christian” with capital letters.
As Jim Wallis, Christian blogger who is familiar with the atheist bloggers, observed:
I always wondered why many on the secular Left felt it necessary to cut off potential political alliances with progressive religious people, to alienate most of America with nasty anti-faith diatribes, and to choose to ignore the history of most of the social reform movements in this country, where religion often served as a powerful motivator and driving force – as in the abolition of slavery, women’s suffrage, establishing child labor laws and social safety nets and, of course, the civil rights movement. In recent years, the Left and even the Democrats managed to appear hostile to faith and to people in faith communities. Regardless of what one’s views of the divine are, that’s called shooting yourself in the foot. BeliefNet
Exacerbating the “Religion Gap”
Empirical data bears out Mr. Wallis’ concerns. The anti-religious statements published by the bloggers are exacerbating a well-polled public perception that Democrats are more anti-religious than Republicans. According to the Pew Center polling data,
Even most Democrats agree that their party is not particularly friendly to religion, though few believe that their party is hostile. Nearly half (47%) of all Democrats say that the Democratic Party is neutral toward religion, compared with 40% who feel the party is friendly, and just 5% who say it is unfriendly. By contrast, a solid majority of Republicans (61%) say the GOP is friendly to religion.
Overall, nearly seven-in-ten Americans (69%) say liberals have gone too far in trying to keep religion out of the schools and government, essentially unchanged from a year ago. Significantly, concern over efforts of the political left to limit religion’s influence crosses party lines. Large majorities of Republicans (87%), independents (65%) and Democrats (60%) decry efforts by liberals to limit religious influence in the public sphere, including 70% of conservative and moderate Democrats. But just 38% of liberal Democrats express this view.
Among major religious groups, white evangelicals are the most critical of liberals in this regard: 86% say liberals have gone too far in trying to exclude religion from schools and the government. Nearly eight-in-ten of all Protestants (78%) and two-thirds of Catholics (67%) share this view. Large majorities of those who attend church including those who only occasionally attended services are critical of liberals. But nearly half of those with no religious ties (45%) also think liberals have gone too far in attempting to keep religion out of schools and the government. Pew
Meanwhile,
The electoral implications of these attitudes are stark. By more than two-to-one (61% to 29%), people who wish there was more discussion of faith by political leaders back[ed] Bush over Kerry in the 2004 election, and by a similar margin (63% to 32%) people who think there is too much of it favor[ed] Kerry over Bush. And those who think there is the right amount of religious rhetoric today are divided evenly (50% favor Bush, 46% Kerry). Pew Poll
The polling data seem to indicate that the party most tolerant of religious discussion by its politicians is likely to more easily win the support of religious voters, Democratic and Republican. Pew Poll
Most Americans Want a President with Faith
By three-to-one (72% to 24%) most registered voters say it is important to them that the president have strong religious beliefs. This is virtually unchanged from four years ago, when 70% said it was important, and 27% said it was not. Roughly three-in-ten voters (31%) say they “completely agree” that it is important for a president to have strong religious beliefs, and these voters favor George W. Bush over John Kerry by nearly two-to-one (60% vs. 34%).
Kerry holds a slight 52% to 40% edge among the plurality of voters who “mostly agree” that religiosity is an important quality in a president, and Kerry’s lead among those who say this is not important is a sizeable 67% to 24%.
In this regard, while most Americans say George W. Bush relies on his own religious beliefs in making policy decisions either a great deal (26%) or a fair amount (38%), most feel that the influence of religion on his policymaking is appropriate. Just 15% of Americans believe Bush relies on his religious beliefs too much in making policy slightly more (21%) would prefer he rely on religion more often. The majority (53%) says Bush relies on religion about the right amount. Pew
When asked the question, “Do non-believers need to `come out’, 86% of those polled at the DailyKos blog responded “yes”. DailyKos Internal Poll
Among the small Christian minority at DailyKos, “Pastor Dan”, explains,
Allow me to point out that many folks on the left share the same perspective, albeit from a different angle: A real Democrat can’t be religious! . . . What they’re saying is more properly, “a real Democrat shouldn’t be religious.” Pastor Dan
The irreligious goals of the small groups of atheist/agnostic bloggers could not easily be more diametrically opposed than they now are to the electoral interests of the Democratic Party as a whole. The strongly anti-religious sentiments of the bloggers have profound consequences not only for discussion of religion per se among Democrats, but also for social and political issues in which religious views play a strong part in driving policy views.
Whenever Senator Barack Obama speaks of religion, the chat boards in the leftist blogosphere go wild with denunciations, accusing him of “faith-baiting” the electorate. “Faith Baiting” Criticism Recently, Barack Obama, a Christian centrist Democrat, spoke approvingly of prayer groups being permitted to meet in schools. He said,
Having voluntary student prayer groups using school property to meet should not be a threat, any more than its use by the High School Republicans should threaten Democrats. Obama “Call to Renewal” Speech
Immediately, a DailyKos blogger (who systematically avoids capitalizing the word “Christian” in his public writing) angrily denounced Obama’ statement on prayer groups in schools, saying,
Obama crossed the line and signaled the intentions of the “moderate,” national Democrats, when he made his case for faith-based groups in schools, when he made his appeal for exclusivity, for anti-constitutional political expediency . . . It makes me sick to my stomach . . . The fight for civil liberties in America was lost”, said the blogger, adding “I could give a shit about expressions of faith.” DailyKos and DailyKos and DailyKos
DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas, in an Op-Ed article at the Washington Post, said of Hillary Clinton,
Little surprise that in late March, the DailyKos’ bimonthly presidential straw poll delivered bleak results for Clinton, with just 2 percent of respondents making her their top choice for 2008. Moulitsas WaPost Piece
Unfortunately, Mr. Moulitsas often cites internal polling of his readers indicating little support for Hillary Clinton without acknowledging that most of his members are atheists or agnostics who are offended by politicians like Clinton who publicly acknowledge the role of their faith in the development of their character. So, while Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama seek to assemble a governing majority for 2008 that includes the religious, there will inevitably be public recrimination from the bloggers about expressions of Christian faith by these two front-runners. Here are some additional examples:
Not everyone at DailyKos is an atheist or agnostic. Dawn G. criticizes the atheists at DailyKos for believing that “everyone who still believes in God are mindless sheep, brainwashed into believing in a delusion for their own comfort or to exert control over others . . .” Dawn G.
The outspokenness of the anti-religious bloggers poses a challenge to the Democratic frontrunners, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, who both speak openly of the importance to them of their Christian religious faith. An anonymous blogger who goes by the name “Lepanto”, a frequent and well-respected contributor at the blogs, says bluntly of Senator Clinton religious faith, “Politicians who talk about “their faith” give me the shits”. DK Story “When Sen. Obama tells us to be nicer to evangelicals, it rings hollow. . . . It stings when the country is dominated by Christian/Paulite fundamentalism to have our officials backing the other side.” DK Story
Another DailyKos poll found that 69% of respondents are atheists and only 12% believe in God. DailyKos Internal Poll The DailyKos and other majority atheist/agnostic bloggers, who had their annual meeting in Las Vegas last year, will meet in Chicago this August to plan their strategy for bringing their “progressive” vision to the rest of America. YearlyKos Convention They have invited all of the Democratic Presidential candidates to attend a candidate’s forum at the annual meeting. Forum Announcement
However, in light of the scandal that developed recently surrounding John Edwards’ anti-religious bloggers, careful Democrats may want to clearly distinguish their views from those of the atheist/agnostic bloggers.
lightiris says
what bigoted windbaggery. If you were to bother to search my posts at Kos, you’d see that I’m one of the most strident atheists posting there. And I’ve been there a long time, tw. And there’s no way, either, buddy, that you’re gonna make a case that my views and activism bode ill for the future.
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laurel says
as one of those scarry atheists to whom you refer, i can tell you honestly that i am not against other people being religious. what i am against is other people trying to pattern civil law after their religious texts (or what they like to think those texts say). if you bothered to look around, you would find that there are many religious people who also wish to keep civil law untainted by the religious dogma of the most pushy sect du jour. now, if you take what i just said and run screaming through the streets crying “he’s trying to kill religion!!!”, you will be willfully misunderstanding what i’ve said.
migraine says
I understand your point and agree that atheists and agnostics really damage their party (our party) when they push an extremely narrow agenda that is built upon feeling like atheists are somehow a people in exile. I agree that too often atheists are more interested in tearing down the religion of others than practicing their non-religion.
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To me it comes down to what’s really a funny argument — atheists generally believe that they have the one true answer as to many sects of Christians… both aggressively fight to have their beliefs enshrined in civil law and in order to win that argument atheists revert not necessarily to logic but to some assumption of the moral high ground: see “you believe in a man in the sky” and Christians do the same: see “I’m doing God’s will.” Truly scary.
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Whenever I read some post like the ones quoted above I simply assume and hope that the ardent atheist is some young kid still getting his political wings and coming to his own political awareness. If it’s not some kid then it’s some silly adult who believes that his or her “inclusion” as an atheist is more important than, say, any other group or any other issue. Now that’s sad.
francislholland says
Migraine, I’m glad some of us are able to see that the strongly held beliefs of some of us, if shouted loudly enough, will drive away others whom we need for electoral victory.
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Apparently, a lot of the “progressive” blogosphere has learned nothing at all from the Edwards blogger scandal. They believe that they anti-religious argument was trumped up by arch-right Republicans AND they believe that the same arch-right Republicans will NOT trump this up again in the months to come.
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Because the “progressives” are so unable to be circumspect about this, there is a high likelihood that “progressive” atheist/agnostic bloggers will become the Willie Hortons of the 2008 electoral cycle. The Edwards blogger scandal was just the first shot across the bow in a trench war of blogger condemnation that is to come from the Republicans. Unfortunately, “progressive” bloggers are so sure that they are right, AND that ALL of America agrees with them about EVERTHING or soon will, that these progressive bloggers are unwilling to consider that they might be vulnerable.
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There’s nothing unlawful about being an atheist or agnostic, but the empirically validated poll numbers show that announcing it to voters is not going to win electoral campaigns.
tblade says
And what is the one true answer that atheists believe?
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I believe the answer to that question is religious folks or believers, particularly since atheists don’t comprise an organized group.
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That’s a good question. Let’s ask these same authoritative and empowered religious folks who seem to know what “answer” millions of atheists and agnostics believe.
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And once you’ve received “the one true answer” from these religious folks, could you let me, the atheist, know so that I can get on the right page?
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Thanks so much.
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Thanks for giving me the heads up. Now I, too, can uphold my atheistic responsibilities of believing “[I] and [I] alone am enlightened enough to see through the lies of society and recognize that there is no such thing as a man in the sky.”
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And to think that all these years I thought I was entitled to my own beliefs and my own reasons for them. Who knew my own athetistic beliefs were so far off the Official Atheist Reservation? You have my eternal gratitude for setting me straight on what I believe. Thanks!
sabutai says
for skipping the meetings, LightIris. Oh, and from now on we’re supposed to wear blue on Thursdays.
lightiris says
Got it. Sheesh, I really have been derelict in upholding my responsibilities. We didn’t change the Secret Sign (nudge nudge, wink wink) in my absence, did we?
tblade says
What’s the gist of this, Francis? It seems as if you are summerizing what a bunch of other people say, but I can’t discern your position.
dkew says
I have to agree with Lightiris, “what bigoted windbaggery.”
Imaginary statistics, imaginary sky-daddy, imaginary problems.
The reich-wing has problems with blacks, women, gays and Jews, too. Should their voices be squashed?
sabutai says
Of course it can. Extremists of any reliigous stripe — Christian, atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or what have you.
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It’s bad news when an extremist Muslim blow himself up in Baghdad, and bad news when an extremist Christian insists we occupy it to hurry along the Apocalypse.
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It’s just ironic that while the left thinks about denouncing a small sect of forceful atheists (and not all atheists are extremist, your generalizations notwithstanding), the right adores their wackos.
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I’m not thrilled at browbeating atheists, but last I didn’t check, no atheist has yet flown a plane into a building, and no atheist believes a deity told him to start a war, so forgive me if I don’t worry yet.
kai says
e-mailed articles on Boston.com today says that American’s are pretty clueless when it comes to the Bible, even as religion is “booming” in this country. For instance, 60% of evangelical Christians (but only 51% of Jews) believe Jesus was born in Jerusalem. Even I know that he was born in Bethlehem.
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As the Bible has had such a cultural impact on our country, everything from the Great Awakening to the Civil Rights movement to gay marriage and global warming, Stephen Prothero, a professor of religious studies and chair of the religion department at BU, is calling for every high school student in the Commonwealth to take one nondevotional class on the Bible and one on world religions.
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I think this is actually a good idea, though I wouldn’t limit it to the Bible. I think there is less of a cultural awareness now then there was previously. If you read the letters of the founding fathers, or even someone a few decades ago, they are littered with cultural references from Greek mythology, from Shakespeare, from the Bible, &c. I think we would do well if more of our society could read a book by James Joyce and get more than half of the allusions he makes in it.
kai says
here.
tblade says
The Newsweek article included a 15 question “religious literacy” quiz. (note to mac users: the quiz would not run in Safari, but worked in Firefox).
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This heathen got an 87%. Prothero makes a good point; sometimes friends of mine will sing praises of the 10 Commandments, but when I ask them to name all 10 Commandments, they can’t do it. They almost always miss the same ones. Spring this on some of your friends, if you bet money, you will almost always win. How many BMGers can name all 10 without the help of google?
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Kai, I think one class on the Bible and one seperate class on world religions would be the preferable way to go, considering that 82% of Americans claim to be Christian. Christianity is the most relevant relgion to education in this country. That said, I’m not sold on compulsory religion studies in high schools. I like the idea of students being religiously literate, however there are so many valuable topics/electives being taught today, I wonder what would have to be pushed out to make non-devotional religious studies a requirement?
laurel says
I wonder what would have to be pushed out to make non-devotional religious studies a requirement?
Logic. đŸ˜‰ Rather than classes in religious literacy, I think we would all benefit more from classes in ethics, citizenship and the law.
tblade says
…it would be more like this is what the Bible actually says, a secular, perhaps even critical look at the text. It would be more of a history/social science track, I’m guessing.
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You may be correct that ethics, citizenship, and law may be more beneficial (this harkens back to the discussion about Richard Dreyfus, Martha’s Vineyard, and civics classes), I don’t know. I’m neither an educator or a parent.
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I do think it is indisputible that humanities majors (art, literature, etc) would benefit from understanding the orgin of Biblical allusions and famous biblical scenes (imagine studying the renaissance and not knowing the story of Jesus?) before entering college.
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Important, but again, I can’t say it is important enough to squeeze out something eelse.
lightiris says
in literature don’t require a full-course study of the bible. I hate the idea of mandatory study of any religion or religous text for any reason, actually. If a reader encounters a biblical reference, s/he can go research it– or not. We have much bigger fish to fry as both a nation and a society, that’s for sure.
tblade says
What if it is presented as an anthropological context?
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And it is true readers can look up biblical allusions, etc, but what if a reader cannot even recognize something as a Biblical allusion? And it isn’t just literature and art where religious literacy is crucial; history, politics, philosophy, music, women’s studies, Africana studies – you name it, college students with religious literacy will have a leg up.
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Is there any benefit from students being totally ignorant of religion? Shouldn’t students studying current events know the difference between Suni and Shiite. (I’l claim ignorance on this one. I’m just not motivated to know the true difference right now). Aren’t many of the “bigger fish to fry” directly tied to religion?
lightiris says
“totally ignorant of religion,” but I don’t advocate mandating the teaching of religious beliefs in public schools.
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I’m not at all convinced that knowing the religious differences between Sunni or Shia muslims makes much difference if one understands the political differences, and those differences are taught in contemporary affairs electives in most high schools.
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kai says
paintings is hanging at the National Gallery of Art in DC. It is entitled Calvary by the Master of the Death of Saint Nicholas of MĂ¼nster. You can’t tell too well from this link but in the background the events leading up to the crucifixion. You see Jesus’ entrance to Jerusalem, his being tempted by the Devil in the desert, the last supper, etc. If I didn’t have an understanding of what happen to Jesus, it would have gone right past me.
lightiris says
I got a 93. Got the one wrong on the Hindu holy book and the Mormon holy book. 13 out of 15 right–not bad for an atheist. đŸ˜‰
kai says
Well, it would depend of course on whether your friend was Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. The three groupings generally have the same ideas in them, but they cut up the text differently. If anyone has ever seen the pilot to the West Wing you see Toby schooling one of the conservative Christian lobbyists in the Commandments only to have Bartlet walk in and teach them all a thing or two.
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I got a 107% on the quiz, though to be honest I had to guess on which book didn’t belong in the first 5 of the Bible and which branch of Islam Al Quada was linked to. (Im not sure where the extra 7 came from but it started me out at 200% and went down with each correct answer)