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Meet Larry Craig Republican Senator from the great state of Idaho.  It seems that the good Senator was pinched in a restroom in Minnesota in June for some lewd behavior.  His case will be dismissed if Senator Craig can avoid doing the same lewd stuff in a public bathroom for one year, if not he gets to serve ten days in the Hennepin County Jail.

Craig joins Mark Foley, Pastor Ted Haggard,  Senator Vitter, Jimmy Swaggart and so many other family values conservatives who have had a little trouble controlling that libido that God or Jesus gave them. 

Joe dislikes frauds (I would say hate but my mom dislikes that word). It seems as if there is nothing more fraudulent than a family values Republican.

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  1. Crammed into the clown car are

  2. John McCain (affair, divorce)
  3. Newt Gingrich (affair, divorce, affair, divorce)
  4. Rudolph Giuliani (divorce, affair, nasty divorce)

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    I won’t bullet Fred Thompson for the undenied rumor that he created an illegit child while still married to his 1st wife,  cuz it’s still a rumor.  i figure that it’s only a matter of time before someone shines a light on the court’s divorce documents.

    • served his first wife with divorce papers while she was in the hospital being treated for cancer.  I think the second wife learned of Newt’s ennui via a phone call during his mother in law’s 84th birthday celebration.  What a reprehensible creep. Family values indeed. 

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      Massachusetts gets a bad rap when it comes to the family values.  A review of divorce statistics clearly shows that the red states have the highest divorce rates while blue states have the lower rates. Why decadent Massachusetts has half the divorce rate of Mitt’s Promised Land of Utah.  How did that ever happen?

  6. …Michael Rogers of blogactive dot com first published material on Craig almost a year ago.  It’s interesting that Rogers is finally proved to have been correct.

  7. John Kennedy – Serial adulterer
    Gerry Studds – Child rapist
    Wilbur Mills – Prostitute on Federal payroll
    Barney Frank – Provide premises for escort service
    William Clinton – Heck, you know…
    Mel Reynolds – 12 counts of underage sex
    Paul Patton – steering state contracts to his mistress

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    And on and on and on….

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    Tell me the difference between a disgraced family values republican and a holier-than-thou partisan Democrat.  Other than the fact that the Democrat get a media bye.

    • …apparently Ms. Porc does not recognize that it is her Republicans who are holier than thou.

      • to go around in politics.  Democrats are just sanctimonious about different things.

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        This is an issue because the Republicans make a good deal of political hay out of tut-tutting about who poeple are fucking.  In that sense, it is paralell to Al Gore zooming to and from his giant house in a fleet of SUVs to give lectures to the rest of us that we have to consume less.

        • i keep hearing references to this house of gore’s.  can you link me to actual information on the structure?  not all structures are as oil-black as others.  but the suv?  yeah, no excuse for them in most cases, unless he was burning old veggie oil.  the suv in the movie and the fact that gore wasn’t wearing a seat belt annoyed me.

          • according to a link embedded in one of the links you guys posted, Olberman fills us in on the rest of the story. 

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            The Gore house contains office space and security space (as befitting a former exec).  Did you subtract that floor space off of our grand total?  Probably not.  Also, the Gores invest heavily in carbon=neutral energy development via their electricity bill, paying 4 times the usual rate.  So, do a little math (or let Olberman do it for you) and you’ll see that they are not excessive users of electricity as initially implied by the dollar value of their bills.  This GOre story a straw man?  I think so.

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            btw, if you REALLY are into lambasting people for biggie houses, check out bill gates’s place. 66K sq ft.  24 bathrooms, 6 kitchens…

            • Ok, for starters, there is no such thing as carbon neutral offsets.  They are bull shit.  You can’t stand infront of the world and say “you people are bad because you use oil and don’t do enough for the environment” then go back to your heated pool, gas lanterns, and outrageous electric bill and go “what I buy offsets.  Offsets are just a way for rich peps to make them selves feel better for glutinousness lifestyle they live.  And lets not even start on weather or not carbon offsets are anything but a scam.

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              Second, what does it matter if the house contains office space?  My 900 sf place in Randolph has office space, does that mean I don’t have to care about being environmentally responsible in that part of my house?  No. 

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              Third, using Olberman as a source?  We used wonder if guys with communications majors could qualify for a mental disability. 

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              The bottom line is that Gore used 20 times the national average household use of electricity.  And it would only cost him $500 per month to offset his $1,400 per month electric bill.  And this doesn’t even address his $1,000 per month gas bill. 

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              Gore is a hypocrite on the environment and other issues.

    • are all sexual hypocrites, yet curry the votes of Moral Majority types.  I don’t recognize half the people you listed, and was too young to know for sure for others, but I don’t recall reading any claims by Kennedy or Clinton or Frank that they were doing god’s bidding or knew better than others god’s mind.  The hypocritical moral majority crap to come out of the GOP in the past years is enough to clog the sewers of Manhattan (aka the East River).  You may not realize this PP, but people do feel especially disgusted by public officials who do stupid things while professing a special connection to or understanding of god.  That pretty well sums up Bushco and their tag-alongs.

      • Cong. Mel Reynolds and Gov. Paul Patton were both charged in 1996.

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        But, as I said, media bye.  Page B-7 below the fold for Dems, serial front page for Republicans.

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        Is that what’s behind the progressive push to live in a totally secular humanist world?  So only ‘god-lovers’ can be evil, as all ethics are relative in that philosophy, so presto-chango!, get a 15 year old Congressional page drunk and have actual sex with him, instead of racy IM’s, and it’s OK, because you aren’t religious?

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        Really, I think better of you.

    • My list contains the names of so-called family values Republicans.  Those are the people out there trying to define what a marriage should be.  It is a holy union between one man and one woman.  Larry Craig secretly includes anonymous gay bathroom sex in his marriage.  He is a hypocrit.  Bill Clinton is a tad lecherous and we all knew it, the frauds I list hold themselves out to be one thing and in private are altogether different.

      • …there is an entire web page of sex scandals involving Republican politicians.  I can’t find it now, but I believe I saw it first on DailyKos, but I’ve seen it elsewhere.  The idea that only Dem politicians are involved in sex scandals is idiotic in the (is there a word more extensive than this?) extreme.

        • …I am seriously disturbed about the fact that, it appears that the only way to get politicians at the national level out of office is the sex scandals.

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          Nothing on issues of substance.  Private sex.  That suggests to me that voters aren’t particularly interested in issues of substance.  Or, maybe that they believe that there isn’t (as Ross Perot might have put it) a dime’s worth of difference between the national parties on issues of substance.

      • And that is that it doesn’t matter if it is about sex, sexual preference, environmental policy or weather you like Miller or Bud.  There is plenty of hypocrisy around Washington and our own state that no one party has the monopoly on it.

        • that is true.  What particularly galls me about people like Craig is what they do to their own kind.  According to CNN Craig “opposed expanding the federal hate crimes law to cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias and, in 1996, voted against a bill that would have outlawed employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, which failed by a single vote in the Senate” 

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          He also “supported a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, telling his colleagues that it was ‘important for us to stand up now and protect traditional marriage, which is under attack by a few unelected judges and litigious activists.'”

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          He is not only hypocritical but he is a collaborator with those who seek to deny rights to his kind.  He aids and abets those who hate his kind.  He is afficted with such self loathing.  He is pathetic.

          • Just a few years ago, I attended a high school reunion (15th) and discovered that the one classmate who was unusually obsessed with denigrating gays, to an unusually crude and nasty degree–even for a Catholic all boys school, in which the baseline wasn’t exactly tolerant of homosexuality– had come out about 10 or 12 years after graduation.

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            I suppose this is not an unusual phenomenon.

            • around sex and sexuality.  take guenter grass, for example, who railed for decades that germans needed to accept responsibility for the nazi horror.  guenter-come-lately finally, at age 80+, came clean and admitted that he was a nazi in his younger days. 

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              it seems that some people harboring deep shame avoid confronting it by castigating others for whatever it was they themselves did or thought.  it helps to keep this in mind when faced with bozos at demos holding the most vitriolic signs and saying the most hateful things.  chances are, they are what they scream against, and that screaming is merely self-flagellation.

  8. And please take this as an honest question, I am not gay bashing or being a smart ass.

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    If we were to look at the merits of this situation without the prism of party politics I think there would be a much different reaction, especially from the LGBT community.

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    Here you have a man in an air port bathroom.  He looked through the crack to see if the stall was occupied, much more preferable then having someone walk in on my while in the middle of something.  He put his luggage against the door of the stall and sat down, those stalls aren’t very big, where else was he to put his bag.  And here is the biggie, he tapped his foot and brushed his foot up against the other guys foot. BAM he is a gay guy looking for a quickey in the bathroom. 

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    Further, just those actions give the cops justification to look him up and charge him with lewd conduct.  There is no mention that he “whipped it out” or actually did anything “lewd”. 

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    I would venture to think that if this was not a republican senator, if he was just some Joe-blow on the street, that many who have commented on this post would call that policy harassment and homophobia.

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    Am I completely off in that thought?

    • here’s another angle to look at it from.  forget party affiliation.  if the guy had been soliciting a woman, would people be calling for him to resign?  not so likely.  being gay is still a bigger “sin” in this country than is paying for sex, cheating on your wife and endangering her health by your adulterous sexcapades.

      • Here you have a man in an air port bathroom.  He looked through the crack to see if the stall was occupied, much more preferable then having someone walk in on my while in the middle of something.  He put his luggage against the door of the stall and sat down, those stalls aren’t very big, where else was he to put his bag.

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        I read an account of this story and one of the cops said that one indicator of people cruising for sex in airport bathrooms is when they bring their bags into the stall and put them against the door to block the view.

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        Ummm, I do this all the time. And as far as I know, I am not gay, nor am I looking for gay sex.

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        It’s just that, one, you’re not supposed to leave your bags unattended, and two, there’s no place else to put them once you’re in there but up against the door.

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        I’m not excusing Craig because I don’t care about him either way, but does anyone else bring their bags in the stall?

        • why was that?  Why would he plead guilty to disorderly conduct. Why would he hang in the bathroom?  He is a US Senator for Christ’s sakes!! 

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          There have been whispers of him doing similar bathroom prowling before.  There have been whispers about this dude for over 20 years. 

          • Are you replying to me?

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            I wasn’t trying to say that Craig wasn’t cruising for some hot man-on-man action, I was asking about the bringing your bag in the stall thingie. It’s odd that doing this was an indicator of cruising when just about everyone does it.

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            As for the guilty plea, I think he was hoping if he plead guilty to disorderly conduct the details might not be reported.

            • The guy is a US Senator.  If he is that ignorant of how the law works, he should indeed resign.  If you want to believe his lame story, I’ve got some of this for you.

              • For the LAST time …

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                I am NOT saying I believe his story. But I found it weird that the cop was saying bringing a bag into the stall was a “sign someone is cruising” when most people do that exact same thing.

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                Jesus, is the reading comprehension on this site that poor?

                • you don’t remember/comprehend you own writing

                  As for the guilty plea, I think he was hoping if he plead guilty to disorderly conduct the details might not be reported.

                  You were talking about more than the suitcase.

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                  I like it when you call me Jesus.  But I would think you’d show me more respect when you do.

                • Here’s whet you wrote:

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                  If you want to believe his lame story, I’ve got some of this for you.

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                  Again, where did I say I believed him?

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                  My thoughts on why he might have plead guilty were in response to someone who asked why he might have plead guilty.

    • I suspect that there was a lot more to the case than just what was in the police report.  I have trouble believing that Craig would have pleaded guilty to any charge just on what was in the report.

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      Query.  Where there other stalls in the restroom (or even in nearby restrooms) that were unoccupied?  If so, why would he have sat outside that particular stall if his intentions were benign?  That wasn’t mentioned in the report (as I recall).

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      Query.  Was that particular restroom renowned for being a homosex cruising area?

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      Query, were patrons complaining about cruising–and possibly harassment–in that particular rest-room?  In other words, was it a known cruising (a/k/a cruising area)?  I don’t have the URL for it here in Germany, but there is–or at least was–a site that you could find cruising areas very easily.

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      Qhery, what was the policeman’s experience in dealing with cruisers/harassers in public restrooms?  That was not recorded in the police report.  Maybe he had had more than a bit of experience.

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      I am gay, and I will tell you that I find cruisers, who I find nothing more than harassers, to be totally annoying, and I’m not even pee-shy.  They should go to the local gay bar or onto the Internet chat rooms to “hook up.”

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