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I’m offended by Moveon.org’s “general betray us” ..aren’t you?

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I'm waiting for the candidates…Hilary, Obama, et al to denounce this incredibly profane attack by a radical left wing orginization upon  a General officer of our military's integrity and patriotism . …this is beyond disgusting. I believe a vast majority of Americans including those against the war, are sickened by this  

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  1. Nor have you explained why it is “beyond disgusting”.

    Isn't continuing the Iraqi Occupation “beyond disgusting”? Or are you just very easily offended?

    • I was also offended when the right called war opponents traitors.  I don't see this as diffent from the earlier use of “betrayal” as a political javelin.  It is an ugly, ugly accusation that someone, because they are not in agreement with you, is willing to allow others to be maimed and killed for their personal, private gain.

       I found it way beyond the pale.  Worse, it makes it seem like the left is no more reality based than the right, but just have a different ideology that makes them absolutely sure about everything.

      • Rather than demonstrating a mutual lack for fact-based debate, I think the point is more that MoveOn recognises that it is not a winning strategy, from a PR perspective, to continue taking a spork to a gunfight.  At least MoveOn has learned that turning the other cheek does not compell the other side to clean up their rhetoric or engage in honest debate.

         

        Vitriolic?  Perhaps.  Controversial?  Of course. Has MoveOn been dragged down to the level of the right?  Not yet, IMHO.  I think they'll have to get a lot more nasty in order to live up to that claim.

         

         

        • One perspective on this is that President Bush has tried to make this entire surge evaluation rest on Petreaus' reputation. There was been a steady, disciplined drumbeat coming from the White House, Fox, and the like indicating how we'd get the real scoop from Petreaus.

          It looks as if MoveOn decided to take the gambit pawn. 

      • MoveOn ran an ad calling Petreus a liar BEFORE he testified.  WHAT would they have done if he said – the surge is a huge failure, everybody out of the pool!

        Today, Pelosi and Reid are criticizing the President's speech – BEFORE he gives it!

        This is as bizarre as McCain attacking Romney for not being willing to say the surge was working BEFORE the testimony.

        What is getting in to these people? 

         

        • They knew, I knew, you didn't know that Petreaus was going to say that the surge was a little bit of a success. Petreaus was hand-picked so he was not going to say otherwise.

          Having been bitten in 2002 on the AUMF, our side knows when your side is about to lie often before it happens. We went off and studied.

          Now, it's one of our superpowers. Fear us.

        • At last weeks Iraq photo op he said very much the same thing (especially about troop withdrawals) as Patreaus said in his speech that he supposedly shared with no one, not even the white house.

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          C’mon Peter, we all knew what the general was going to say. We all know that Bush’s “wait until September” strategy is just another method of Bush dangling the carrot of “give us just a few more months” so he can run out the clock and hand off Iraq to the next administration.

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          This is about the only shocking thing (to conservatives, anyway) that Patreaus said in the hearings. He basically said that he doesn’t know if the war in Iraq makes the US safer:

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          • The content of the testimony has been an open secret since mid-July, at least.   So all of this “wait to hear the testimony” is like being “shocked, shocked, that there is gambling going on here.”  

             

            It is unfortunate that policy makers chose the guy whose only job is to execute policy set by others to defend not the execution but the policy itself.

    • Or should I call you center aisle or Teddy K’s Liver?

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      You’re participation here – and from what others say, RMG, too – is totally useless. Anything that offends you is irrelevant.

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      Now run along and go whine and call me an assclown commie traitor on RMG.

    • ..aren’t you?

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      I found it a bit childish.  I like puns, but Petraeus did not choose his parents, from whom–I presume–he got his name.

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      On the other hand, someone who gets at that level in the military is really tantamount to a politican.  Shinseki and the other nay-sayers who were fired (“retired”) learned that the hard way.  And, as a politician, Petraeus is subject to criticism.  If he doesn’t want to be criticized, he shouldn’t go on TV network “news” programs defending Bush’s policy in Iraq.

    • A very early instance of this quip comes not from the left, but from the lunatic right! I bring you Henry Russell on May 14, 2007:

      Gen. Betrayus,

      Kill them all, let God sort them out. I am not willing to quietly nor without motion let my son die in this sham without full and complete retribution. War is simply that- a total absence of morality. You sir are a coward at best also right along with Pres. Bush- and he has been addressed as so by myself.

      I am a card carrying patriot and I wish nothing less than total victory. That requires total war. Follow???

      If I sir have someone being held or in harm’s way and a person(s) have information that would prevent the harm or disclose the culprits, they will pay- that old absence of morality thing. It won’t be with a criminal trial.

      Scott above has a legitimate query. Why not make them talk.

      Read your instruction book- The Word of God. It does have battlefield instructions- follow them and you never lose. Gotta read it first.HUH?

      The inspiration of this vituperative complaint (apparently the author is not alone) was Petreaus' letter against committing war crimes. Apparently, the author is a war crime enthusiast like the other members of the “Bomb them to the stone age!” crowd.

      Other similar comments from those eager to bring democracy and stability to Iraq include this line:

      It just drives me crazy to think that this is how Betrayus wants to wage war. The ragheads are just laughing their camels asses off.

       H/T Open Left 

        • I don't think that makes it okay. I think the mendacity does though. (And yes, I know you think differently.)

          I only pointed this out because I think the right-wing outrage is artificial. 

          • I expect as much from Rush.  I HATE it when the left pulls this sort of crap.  Maybe that is just because they bare bad at it.

    • When she's off the floor and done clutching her pearls, perhaps she'll realize that being called a silly name is hardly offensive in relation to thousands of dead bodies piled up to satisfy the egos and insecurities of the small minded men who have brought us into this debacle.

    • I don’t believe you are really all that outraged, and if you are you really need to chill out. There are far worse things to be outraged about. You are just pretending to be outraged to make a point.

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      It’s not like we don’t have Democratic members of Congress being called traitors on a daily basis by right-wing nut jobs on Faux News. If you are not outraged by Ann Coulter “joking” about poisoning Justice Stevens, then why should you be outraged by this?

    • Nor am I surprised by the dimwitted, illogical (“oh. aren't we SO clever!”) schoolyard twist on the name of a person, more accomplished than themselves, at whom they spew ill-timed and misdirected outrage.

      Move-on has become the official kiddie table of the Democratic Party.

      Their logo should be a blue bib.

       

        • ..that the General probably heard the same rhyme when he was in the fourth or fifth grade.

           It's a kid's game, y'know.

              • …we watched a program over German TV here in our little hovel outside of Munich about a dozen years ago.  It appears that Germans dress up as cowboys and indians (american style, and go out to do battle (no injuries, of course).  There was a very popular German author decades ago, Karl May, who wrote entire series of cowboys and indians books, published solely (as far as I know) in German.  He had never been to the US.

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                The books are still published.  But I sincerely had to be raised off the floor after I started laughing when I learned that.

                • of its,at one time, greatest friend an ally. Now we see the true colors of Merkel and  her Pro Iranian  government. How quickly the Germans forget the Berlin airlift that prevented them from starving to death.  Were it not for America raj, you'd probably be speaking Russian. I for one am really tired of listening to you tell us how bad America is and how great Germany is. Now that you're there why not just stay there?

                  • If a hobo saves you from a burning car wreck, it's not ingratious to say “no thanks” when he tries to get you to share a freebase / black tar / meth injection with his dirty needle.

                     

                     

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                  • What’s not hilarious is Germany’s ingratitude and abondonment

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                    Your lack of knowledge of history and foreign affairs is astounding, but not atypical of conservatives, Neo-ConMen, or whatever.

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                    Apparently, you are unaware of the fact the the German constitution significantly circumscribes use of the German military outside of Germany, except in connection with an operation instituted by an international organization such as the UN or Nato.  The German constitution was largely written by (ta da!) the US.  In doing so, the US got what they wished for.

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                    Apparently, you are also unaware of the fact that the German military is actively involved in the current war in Afghanistan.  But if you were aware of that, apparently you are unaware that that they are doing so as part of a Nato operation–which is led by the Great Gamers, the Brits.  (Stupid move, putting the Brits in charge.  Maybe that’s why the Taliban are on the rebound.)

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                    Apparently, you are also unaware of the fact that the American led operation in Iraq is neither a Nato operation nor a UN operation, irrespective of the fact that there are militaries from a few Nato and UN members there.

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                    Apparently, you are also unaware of the fact that the German government counselled against the American operation in Iraq, and that they were precisely correct in their predictions.  The only major ally of the US in its little Iraq adventure is Great Britain, which, in its infinite lack of wisdom, basically set up Iraq–with US assistance all at the behest of the oil companies–from some of the remnants of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of WWI.

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                    BTW, does anyone know if the Kingdom of Tonga still has 10% of its military force there as part of the Coalition of the Billing?  Their deployment in Iraq was a grand total of 44.

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                    And, apparently, you are also unaware that I have stated many times that I am not German, so I don’t know where your quaint little jibe “speaking Russian” came from.  Actually, if I was more of a polyglot, I might not mind learning a bit of Russian, although the Cyrillic alphabet would be a substantial hurdle.

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                    And, I seriously don’t know why conservatives, NeoConMen, usw have gotten so stupid.

                • …it turns out that there was an article in Spiegel International that I just discovered this morning

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                  FETISHIZING NATIVE AMERICANS

                  In Germany, Wild for Winnetou

                  By Michael Kimmelman in Radebeul, Germany

                  For decades, Germans have been obsessed with a Native American named Winnetou. Only strange thing is: he’s a fictional character from books written by a German who only went to America in the last years of his life. What does this obsession say about German identity?

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                  Much more (in English, or maybe Amerikanisch) at http://www.spiegel.d…

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                  The article is very funny.  The German author that is referred to is Karl May.

    • but I believe the anti-NWO sites essentially led the story about how “effective” Betayus's message would be.  They might in fact break lot's of news, it's just as difficult to sort through fact from fiction but you can do so without the nauseating slant on MSM.

      We also believe the other “candidates” like most all of the government are so fully owned by corporate interests that there are no candidates.

      Rather than get mired down in the quagmire of details of the false “left” vs “right” political theater the higher focus is on reading between the lines in order to come up with the exact date and time of the Biblical Apocalypse.  Offended?  Nah, when looking at impending doom every day not much else matters, well, perhaps just the horse.

    • And I'm also embarrassed for the “progressive” movement that has certain childish tendencies toward going over-the-top with every argument.

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