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The polls in our great state and Hub of the Universe have closed. Massachusetts has spoken. We’re just not quite sure yet exactly what we’ve said.

In any event, we’re in the open thread business once again here.

Now remember, what we’re looking for here is juicy, meaty rumors: the good stuff, that you won’t hear on TV or radio.

If you work for the news media — and we know you’re there: we can see you on our logs! — feel free to drop in something spicy and see how the collective BMG stomach reacts.

Personally, I find it absolutely hilarious that the CNN meatheads say that a Clinton victory in Massachusetts would be an incredible victory. Hello? 37-point lead a few weeks ago. I guess they really are just idiots, but least they’re journalists.

Designers, carry on.

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  1. Clinton: MA, OK, TN, AR, NY
    Obama: GA, AL, IL, DE

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    p>HUCKABEE: WV, AL, AR
    ROMNEY:  MA
    MCCAIN:  DE, IL, NJ

    • Clinton: AR, MA, NJ, NY, OK, TN,
      Obama: AL, DE, GA, IL, KS

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      p>Huckleberry: WV, AL, AR
      Slick Mitt:  MA
      McCranky:  CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY

    • Clinton: AR, AZ, MA, NJ, NY, OK, TN,
      Obama: AL, CO, CT, DE, GA, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT

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      p>Huckleberry: AL, AR, GA, WV
      Slickety Mitt:  MA, MN, ND, UT
      McCranky:  CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY, OK

  4. Clinton is up strongly in Massachusetts and losing in Connecticut.  She’s crushing in Missouri and Tennessee, less than 1/3 of the votes in Alabama.  I thought this was going to be a national primary!

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    p>In Oklahoma 17% of the votes aren’t going to Obama or Clinton, and in Arkansas it’s 19%!  Among Republicans, less than 2% are cast for non-running candidates in those two states.  I realize you have an absentee/mail-in factor here, but is Edwards getting the low teens?  I suppose it’s possible (see Dean,Vermont,2004), but in a close race I’m just surprised.  

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    p>The pattern so far — Clinton wins in Democratic states (aside from CT) and crushes with almost 3/4 of the Latino vote.   Obama succeeds in Republican states.

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    p>Oh, and Bay Staters don’t take kindly to the establishment old guard telling us how to vote.  

    • Clinton and Obama need to put aside their egos and think ticket.  

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      p>California is like Bigfoot waiting to stomp, but the writing, I think, is on the wall.  It’ll be Clinton in the end.  

      • 52% of Boylston goes for Paul.  No neighboring town has him breaking 5%, no other town has him over 10%.  An incredible organization?  Voting malfunction?  Thoughts?

        • has just a hair over 4000 people living in it (Wayne, where are you?  Since 1972 lives in Boylston….)  It’s an odd mixture of affluent Republicans who hew to their own sensibilities and hicks who are ornery.  Can’t say I’m surprised.  It wouldn’t take much but a zealous Ron Paul fan to snag Boylston for Paul.  

        • The posted results in Boylston are:

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          p>Giuliani 11
          Huckabee 0
          Hunter 0
          McCain 238
          Paul 322
          Romney 31
          Tancredo 0
          Thompson 3
          No Pref 1

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          p>The Romney vote count makes no sense at all — 5% of the total and losing to Paul 10-1?  If I had to bet, I’d guess that someone mixed up Paul’s and Romney’s counts there.

  5. Would that the Okies would enter the Democratic column, Sab.

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    p>Connecticut will be interesting, depending on where the votes to be tallied are ….

    • It’s just interesting to me that the states where Democrats don’t have a snowball’s chance (North Dakota, Alabama, Kansas) unfailingly go Obama.  Betcha Utah will, too.

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      p>On the other hand, his lead in Minnesota is astounding.

      • 2,500 votes now, 49-48

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        p>no votes in yet from W. Hartford or Manchester, where HRC should do well, few from New Haven yet, which may be Obama country

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        p>towns are all over the place, some HRC, some BHO

      • is a caucus.

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        p>And you may be looking at state convention delegates elected, not votes cast.

      • is pointing out her victories in Republican states AR, OK & TN, as proof that she can win Red.

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        p>Obama has won Dem states IL, DE, CT, along with his earlier win in Iowa. Also FWIW, MN has a fairly strong third party/independent bent.

      • Title of post in link:

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        p>Suffolk poll has Obama barely ahead in MA; situation remains fluid.

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        p>I wasn’t talking about today.  Both the 37% and Obama up by two info is not from today.  Just pointing out the post from yesterday.

      • for many reasons.  Deval has to think about this and consider why.  I hope he gets it.  He did not create his own network of supporters.  People who were already organized supported him because they thought he would do what he campaigned for.  So much for Suffolk polling.

  8. anyone else notice that the boston tally went from 250/254 pcts reporting to 108/254 reporting?  clinton was ahead by about 300 votes when they were reporting 250 pcts.

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    p>nauseating rumor for bob: obamites storm Ballot Central, neutralize ballot counters by providing free cups of Starbucks coffee (spiced with tiny drops of SnoozeYou), and did a Hope In Action maneuver on the tallies. 🙂

  9. Fox news has a checkmark next to Romney, but with something like 70% of the vote, McCain is ahead by a few points…how could that be?

  13. 61,322 to 51,551

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    p>but don’t hang your hat on this result yet, as boston.com has reshuffled some numbers a few times tonight…

  14. Personally, I find it absolutely hilarious that the CNN meatheads say that a Clinton victory in Massachusetts would be an incredible victory. Hello? 37-point lead a few weeks ago. I guess they really are just idiots, but least they’re journalists.

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    p>What I find hilarious are your comments.  The Clinton victory in Massachusetts is extremely impressive.  She had the organizations of Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick all working overtime against her, and she still came out on top by a comfortable margin.  

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    p>She may have been ahead three or four weeks ago by a large margin…but, everyone–particularly the powers that be at barackobama.com…er, I mean Blue Mass Group–seemed to indicate that she was going down big time in Massachusetts.

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    p>This is one tough woman…who can take on the old boys in Massachusetts and still win.  Go Hillary!  

    • Of course, it’s a victory for Clinton. Congratulations, Senator Clinton!

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      p>But she has been way ahead in Massachusetts for weeks. She held on and won. That’s not especially impressive, it’s what one would expect if one had a 37-point lead — or even let’s say in reality a 25% lead or whatever, to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume a closer race — a few weeks before the vote. What’s ridiculous is to present that as an incredible victory when it really was just meeting expectations, producing a professional result, and not screwing up royally.

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      p>I’m not taking away from Clinton’s victory, except perhaps in some world where any victory under any circumstances is superhuman. What I am saying is that the CNN team earns the meathead designation for hyping the win. That was my point.

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      p>In a sense, to claim that this victory in MA is something extraordinary is to diminish Senator Clinton — to imply that at some level she might not have been good enough to hold on to an enormous lead when pressured.

      • CNN calls California for Clinton and McCain, bad news for the “caucus candidates”, Romney and Obama, as the raw vote totals for Super Tuesday continue to mount.

        • now can you delete the score of Sunday’s game? THAT would be a big boost to HRC and BHO supporters alike!

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          p>Best,
          H

          • Hey, we went 19-0! We’re the Super Bowl champions! New England has the best football team EVER, and we were there to see it and to cheer for them. Eli Manning wore his sourpuss look right into the locker room, as a loser. That was an awesome duck parade today in Boston.

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            p>Oh, shit.

            • Got an autograph from co-MVPs Hobbs and Samuel and highfived with the awesome O-Line!

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              p>Thanks for all you guys do.

      • What does it matter that she was up a few weeks ago? She won the state by a substantial margin. That’s impressive. At some point, they all started at 0 in the polls and at the end she won by a comfortable margin, despite the endorsements of two long term Senators, a good number of the congressional delegation and the sitting Governor.

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        p>It will be interesting to see the delegate counts tomorrow and the rhetoric that follows. Because it seems like an endless stream of Obamamentum the last five weeks and yet he’s behind in delegates.

      • I congratulate you Bob. Not only are you saying that Clinton lost because she only won by a whopping 15% of the vote.  You are saying if her supporters, like me, even claim that her victory by a whopping 15% is extraordinary, we are diminishing her abilities to win.  Great spin, but quite simply incorrect.  

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        p>Hillary Clinton’s overwhelming win here in Massachusetts against a huge onslaught from  Obama, the Kennedys, Kerry, and Gov. Patrick shows she and her campaign, (including volunteers) are able to weather anything the Republicans are likely to throw at her.  BTW, I think it also shows how out of touch Kennedy and Kerry (and even Patrick) are with the people who have worked on their campaigns.  A large number of us helped out on the Clinton campaign to get out the vote for her.  In my hometown, where I helped to coordinate the volunteers, Clinton won by 52%.      

      • But you must admit that you have dramatically altered your spin from the Obama up in Massachusetts thread of a few days ago.  The post that was complete with quoatations from the Daily Cos, opining that the narrower the margin of defeat for the surging Obama, the greater the victory for the surging Obama.

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        p>Well the surging Obama seems to have been absolutely crushed, the efforts of the Kennedys, Kerry and the governor notwithstanding.

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        p>And so we shift back to “well, she was up anyway.”

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        p>The downside –maybe it is an upside–to the your decision to opt for transparency and make an endorsement is that spinning like this is likewise transparent.

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  17. First, Bob thank you for bringing some Tim Gunn into my morning, awesome.  

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    p>As a gay Asian involved in politics in Massachusetts (but originally from California), it’s often very difficult to be in Massachusetts and not feel invisible.  Taking a look through the CA exit poll, I wanted to bring to light the importance of LGBT and Asian voters for Hillary there.

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    p>Posted earlier today on the CNN blog:

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    How Clinton, McCain may have won California
    Posted: 06:26 AM ET

    (CNN) – Sen. Hillary Clinton can thank Latino and Asian voters for her projected victory in California. Early exit polls indicate that Sen. Barack Obama carried white voters in California because of his overwhelming support among white men. White women, as in other states, more often supported Clinton. Black voters overwhelmingly favored Obama but Asian voters, whose numbers are comparable to blacks, went overwhelmingly for Clinton. The deciding factor may have been Latinos, who make up roughly 30 percent of California’s Democratic vote. They went for Clinton by a two-to-one margin.

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    p>I believe the exact numbers are that Asians went for Hillary 75-23 and LGBT voters went for Hillary 62-25.  It’s so infrequent that either of these categories of voters get any visibility.  Nationally, Asians will equal the Black population in 2050 and have been the fastest growing ethnic group in the US in each of the last several years.  When I heard CNN report live on this, the reporter talking about the Asian vote in California stalled for a moment, genuinely unprepared to even deliver the line.  News services need to do a better job of giving voice to “new” voter groups besides the youth vote.

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    p>More Asians need to step up, yes, but if the Democratic Party wants to be the Party of true inclusivity, we need to make room for talking about other voter categories besides Blacks and Latinos.  

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