This seems shamefulif HRC’s campaign had anything to do with this. Mocking Obama is one thing, but this seems an attempt to connect Obama with Islam and play on the fears of SOME people in the United States. Disclaimer: I am not blaming HRC outright but I have to question the timing of the photo release.
Please share widely!
david says
Does it falsely say anywhere that he’s a Muslim? Does the Obama campaign dispute that the photo is real? I mean, really, if he didn’t want the photos out there, he shouldn’t have posed for them, right?
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marc-davidson says
There’s nothing wrong with the photos.
What is wrong is the motivation behind circulating them. Why would the HRC campaign push these (if they indeed did — it was not denied) other than to appeal to many people’s intolerance and xenophobia. How else to explain this? If there is no other explanation, how can you say that this is not contemptible?
This strategy is absolutely unacceptable in our party under any circumstances and should be roundly condemned by the party leaders.
It’s most unfortunate that you don’t understand this.
david says
I’d like a little more confirmation that it is indeed from the Clinton campaign than the fact that Drudge says so. As TPM just posted: “It’s worth pointing out that the sole source thus far for the existence of this email is Drudge, and he didn’t say what level of Clinton ‘staffer’ circulated it and to whom it was circulated. Yet this is still commanding a huge amount of attention.”
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bob-neer says
The Obama campaign is crying crocodile tears about this one. It’s almost as if the Clinton campaign complained about the S&M mash-up postcards of Bill and Hillary on the wall at Bartley’s Burger Cottage in Harvard Square.
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marc-davidson says
to something that they believe to be offensive? I think both campaigns can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Kerry didn’t respond quickly or aggressively enough to the “silly” swift boat attacks, and look what that got him. He could have done that as well as campaign on substance.
bob-neer says
I’m just saying that both sides are playing. The Clinton camp, with their dewy-eyed surprise. The Obama camp that this is a horrific smear. That’s why I called their claims crocodile tears i.e. insincere, or at least hyperbolic. The allegations of the Swift Boaters, incidentally, were much more serious, just in passing. The twist that I thought was brilliant was the Obama campaign’s reframing of the question as: who from the Clinton campaign leaked this monstrous smear?!
marc-davidson says
Had they categorically denied the report, then it should have been dropped. They were given the opportunity and Maggie Williams hedged.
So if they did circulate it, as it’s becoming increasingly clear, is it ok to send out a photo with the clear suggestion that there is something wrong with it, that there is something that some people might be concerned about seeing? Why else would the campaign send this out, unless they thought some people would find it offensive. We’ve seen this brand of politics used by southern racists for a long time. There’s nothing wrong with a photo of Harold Ford with an attractive white woman… is there?
mcrd says
People who see something objectionable in that photo are the folks that have “problems”.
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In legal parlance, “the evidence speaks for itself”.
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mrstas says
It’s becoming increasingly clear? Cite your sources please.
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syphax says
… in the same way that there was nothing wrong with the Dukakis-in-tank photos.
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lanugo says
what then? Will you then question why the Clinton camp is putting such photos out there? Its not to make Obama more popular is it?
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joes says
They are survivors. Not that they deserve to survive, but they do. And even if they don’t, they will stop at nothing trying.
centralmassdad says
as a large pile of horseshit.
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bob-neer says
Loved your response CMD. Ultimately, perhaps, this sort of thing is testimony to the power of the media, or at least of suggestion: repeat a fable often enough, and it becomes a kind of truth.
mcrd says
Are you intimating that President and Senator Clinton were innocent targets?
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centralmassdad says
campaigm for her party’s nomination, and then, if nominated (gasp) campaign in the general election.
matthew02144 says
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p>The fact that y’all are placing this on Hillary without any proof is pretty unfair and just shows the amount of bias on here in favor of Obama. This used to be a place for constructive conversation, but it seems everyone likes to jump the gun lately.
hrs-kevin says
The issue has to do with the Clinton compaign’s motivation for circulating it.
joeltpatterson says
you have no evidence that the clinton campaign circulated it.
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hrs-kevin says
and I never said that I had.
matthew02144 says
Where’s your proof?
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hrs-kevin says
I was simply pointing out what the issue was, not whether the allegation is true or not. Whether true or not, I think the Obama campaign’s reaction was overly strong and the Clinton campaigns counter-reaction showed a lack of sensitivity to the underlying issue, IMHO.
matthew02144 says
You said, regards to the photo:
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hrs-kevin says
Perhaps I should have added “alleged” somewhere, but all I was trying to say was that the reason people were upset was not the photo itself but how they thought it was going to be used.
justin-credible says
mcrd says
laurel says
a little more about the who, why, what and where of this picture coming out before making any judgments. I can see both sides of the argument, but at this point i don’t have enough information to agree with either.
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p>in any case, i’m sorry that the obama campaign is not making this into an opportunity to show how world-wise obama is, etc. it is a teachable moment being wasted by the campaign of hope.
peter-porcupine says
Let us celebrate diversity!
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johnk says
pushing the story. Hmmmmm….I smell something. Right wing smear mongers try to get the best of both worlds. Pushing the Muslim Obama thing while blaming Hillary. They did this before with Obama’s school last year.
pipi-bendenhaft says
Hmm, wasn’t that Bob Kerrey who, to press covering his announcement of support for Hillary Clinton, lied this year when he said Obama attended a “secular Madrassa”? He also repeatedly referred to Obama as “Barack Hussein Obama”.
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johnk says
So Hillary’s campaign did that and ran it on Faux news? Please, you are embarrassing yourself.
pipi-bendenhaft says
Kerrey’s made his comments to the Washington Post, and Omaha World-Herald. No, not faux news, real news.
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joemoakleydem says
This is an insignificant issue. How many pictures have we seen of George W. Bush in the native dress of a country he is visiting, or Bill and Hillary Clinton for that matter? Also, its not a smear to disseminate a photo that has apparently been floating around the Web for well over a year. I assume that Senator Obama knew of the photo’s existence and was aware that he would be photographed during his trip to Africa. Any thought to the contrary indicates a disturbingly high level of naivete on the part of a candidate for the presidency.
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marc-davidson says
It was sent to Drudge not The Nation.
Demographic check, please.
milo200 says
The big deal is that the Clinton campaign engaged in racist campaign tactics and we should ALL speak out against those kind of tacticts.
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mrstas says
Document these allegations, or back off. You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about.
eury13 says
“What’s the problem?”
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rhm says
it sure is getting some play here.
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mrstas says
Drudge made a claim … where’s the evidence? Who did it? Where did it happen? When? Where was it sent?
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theopensociety says
foreign policy speech today. One wonders what they are afraid of. Could it be maybe his lack of foreign policy experience? Besides, there is no evidence that the picture really came from the HRC campaign except Drudge’s say so. Doesn’t anyone think it would be oddly stupid of the Clinton campaign to circulate such a photo on the very day that HRC is giving a major policy speech? The picture could be perceived as evidence of Obama’s foreign affairs experience, not helpful to Clinton, or, what the Obama campaign chose to use it for, the basis for a claim that the HRC campaign is somehow trying to smear him, again not helpful to Clinton. Really, people need to start using their heads! Don’t you see that the person who actually could gain something from distribution of the photo is Barack Obama?
milo200 says
There is nothing wrong with the photo obviously.
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laurel says
have you stopped to consider that “the campaign” is a diffuse thing. therefore, it would take them some time to determine whether such an email did indeed come from one of their computers. during that time, they of course could not deny or confirm anything. sad to see people so fast to jump up and accuse people of nasty things. so much for due process!
johnk says
It’s Obama’s camp that quickly jumped to blame Hillary. Based on what? Matt freakin’ Drudge? That’s a bit of a stretch don’t you think? Obama’s folks put out the statement even before there was any reaction from Hillary. Maybe Drudge is believed to be a credible resource to the Obama folks.
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pipi-bendenhaft says
From an Oct 2007 NYT’s article by Jim Rutenberg “Clinton Finds Way to Play Along with Drudge”
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johnk says
You are reaching my friend. Drudge is no friend to the Clinton campaign, don’t kid yourself.
pipi-bendenhaft says
Since I don’t read Drudge, I have posted this link to TheAtlantic’s site which has the Drudge headline I noted above
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http://matthewyglesias.theatla…
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milo200 says
I see now that they categorically deny it.
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amidthefallingsnow says
because…because…because why?
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p>The longer I watch this game, the more it seems to me to resemble the dynamic of the first OJ Simpson trial. Everything the white woman making the case does is being screamed down and anything plausibly associated with her maligned as tainted, unethical, racist, malicious, paid off, and corrupt.
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pipi-bendenhaft says
Only one other comment on this site has ever elicited a viceral response in me. It was similar to yours in that it made what I consider an outrageous comparison, linking murder to Obama. That comment was (only) smirky, your’s out does that one by making a direct comparison to the racially charged Brown-Goldman murders. I thought about poorly rating your comment but decided not to, because you are entitled to your opinion, however vile or shameful I may consider it to be. Let’s be clear, I don’t know you, we’ve disagreed on this site in the past, but I don’t consider you to be a bad person, and I am notorious for my fondness for people I vehemently disagree with – but I can’t let what I consider an irresponsible and reprehensible comment go unanswered. That is my obligation in an open society.
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mcrd says
And yes, I have been very close to multiple criminal acts of a horrendous nature and have been personally touched by more than one.
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pipi-bendenhaft says
Thank you for your thoughts.
theopensociety says
Amidthefallingsnow was making a valid point about how charges of racism have been leveled in this campaign with no basis in fact, much like they were used in the OJSimpson trial. You decided to turn it into something it was not, in essence, proving amidthefallingsnow’s point.
pipi-bendenhaft says
laurel says
Let us not forget who are our ultimate allies, and who are our confirmed opponents.
eaboclipper says
eaboclipper says
Didn’t follow the link. Not usually like you to be so coarse Laurel.
laurel says
it is one of your gop colleagues that is so course.
bob-neer says
I personally was shocked when I saw the subject line. Then I clicked through and Lo and Behold Laurel was absolutely 100% right. Great comment. Thanks, Laurel!
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laurel says
the post for better clarity. Roger Stone, a member of the Party of Family Values (GOP), filed papers the other day to create the 527 org called Citizens United Not Timid (CUNT). Here is the logo, which on their website sits below a banner that asks
WHAT IS HILLARY?.
According to TPM
Who is the brilliant misogynist behind the scheme?
freshayer says
… right out there speaking against this kind of c***.
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peter-porcupine says
I had never heard of it, and I don’t think EaBo had either.
mcrd says
There are a few things that I nor anyone else need to be subjected to and your choice of words is one of them.
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p>The first amendment is the first amendmentm but shame on you.
laurel says
i hope you are also sending messages of outrage to the GOP for creating such misogynistic crap. yes? if no, shame on you.
bean-in-the-burbs says
sabutai says
A campaign always ready to believe the best about America is also the campaign instantly ready to believe the worst about one of its most prominent and powerful women.
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p>More hope please, less audacity. And give me something other than Drudge as your “authority” if you want me to take you seriously.
marc-davidson says
Howard Wolfson denies that the campaign was involved. No one was willing to give any credence to Drudge until the campaign issued a non-denial further suggesting that there was nothing wrong with circulating the photo. Josh Marshall explained his dilemma very well and was perfectly willing to sit on this until the HRC campaign issued a very ambiguous statement. They blew the response and generated the normal suspicion that they were behind this, and the confusion lasted a full 7 hours.
sabutai says
…what other scurrilous rumors about Obama can we pin on the Clinton campaign? How else can we impugn one of the leading Senators of the country and help the Republicans finish the job they started sixteen years ago?
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anthony says
…you mean it took a full seven hours for the Clinton campaign to research outgoing emails from the offices all over the country to figure out if someone from within circulated this photo so they could actually make a definitive statement?
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jasiu says
An initial response along the lines of “we do not condone this and it had better not have come from someone in this campaign” would have knocked the temperature down on this. But I’m not in the campaign pressure cooker, so I don’t know why that didn’t happen. Surely statements like “If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed” (source) did not help matters.
jasiu says
Had to get dinner into the kids… 🙂
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marc-davidson says
The whole thing would have blown over had they simply said that the campaign doesn’t condone this and that anyone engaging in it would be summarily fired. Do you really think that they were waiting that long with this story stewing while they were doing internal research?
It would have been one thing to wait and do nothing for this period, but instead they issued a statement suggesting that there was nothing wrong with the release of the photo in the first place fueling normal suspicion that they were behind it. There is no excuse for this level of either incompetence and/or obtuseness. Take your pick.
anthony says
…right back at you. Apparently the Clinton campaign is to be blamed for doing nothing wrong, literally, nothing wrong, for a whole seven hours. They stewed in their having done nothing wrong?
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theopensociety says
Pictures of leaders in traditional garb? So you think the Clinton campaign should have said they do not condone printing pictures of leaders in traditional clothing because it could imply something about the picture’s subject? What kind of message would that send to people in the rest of the world? BTW, the only group saying the picture implied something negqative about Obama was the Obama campaign, and that was because it gave them a chance to misdirect the news away from Hillary Clinton’s important Foreign policy speech yesterday. It sounds a lot like what the Republicans did to John Kerry during the last presidential campaign. Everytime he was about to make an important announcement or give an importamt speech, we would have an orange alert.
sabutai says
Remember all those times the Obama campaign said that it didn’t condone the excessive focus on Hillary’s hair, her laugh, and her cleavage?
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sabutai says
It is Bush whose instinct it is to deny something before knowing if it actually happened. “Talk first, check second” should never be the slogan of a Democratic campaign.
hubspoke says
…try photos that actually carry significance, like
this
and
this.
gregr says
It is one of my unfortunate hobbies that I study the GOP’s far right base on a fairly regular basis. The photos were originally posted on a wingnut blog; The Astute Bloggers. As anybody who has followed the Right Wing Noise Machine knows, Drudge trolls the threads at FreeRepublic for stories.
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gregr says
… that the photo was most recently printed in a Friggin’ Super Market Tabloid; the National Examiner’s February 4th edition.
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theopensociety says
does not have your research skills. So much for hope….