I have no idea what’s going on in this article.
Can someone explain to me whats going on, and how? Am I reading this wrong and it’s a woman having a kid? what’s with the picture of the dude.
Confusion abound.
Please share widely!
Reality-based commentary on politics.
laurel says
it is a common misconception that all transgender people have gender reassignment surgery. the article explains Thomas’s situation here
laurel says
oops, my link to the first page of the story didn’t work. let’s try again.
joets says
they says
Sterilization is not a requirement for sex reassignment
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p>I think in most states it is, and probably should be. Regardless, sometimes people have a legal sex which doesn’t match their fertile sex, and no one should ever have to be sterilized, or be forced to revert back to a legal sex they have never lived as. But then again, usually transgendered men don’t get pregnant, since that isn’t very manly, so she’s kind of messing with the program and perhaps should be forced to be legally female again.
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p>Note that (s)he* would have been able to do this without being married, and (s)he would have been able to cut off her breasts and grow facial hair without changing her sex. *It pains me to do that, usually I have no problem referring to people as their chosen pronoun, but in this case she’s gone quite public about not being a man, so it’s her own fault.
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p>Also note that this did not require any genetic engineering, there was a sperm donor involved, because scientists are still a few years away from creating sperm from a woman or an egg from a man, which requires changing the genetic imprinting. It is that sort of genetic manipulation that we have to prohibit, not this rare situation. Opening the door to GE would make GE a widespread, expensive and eventually compulsory practice, affecting everyone, and it should be prohibited in order to preserve the dignity of natural conception and right to natural conception.
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p>This was still natural reproduction, by a woman and a man, the baby will have a father (a sperm donor somewhere) and a mother without breasts and with facial hair. The baby will probably be fine, but still it isn’t really fair to it.
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p>Here is a good post on the interactions of legal marriage and legal sex change and a law banning same-sex conception.
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joets says
john howard.
ryepower12 says
joets says
The link that they posted was to john howards blog thing. That’s what i was referring to, not whether or not they is actually JH.
ryepower12 says
centralmassdad says
I didn’t even look at the link. Who else would read that?
centralmassdad says
but they has more than one note in they’s repertoire, and isn’t as dogged about it as John Howard, and doesn’t seem to link this particular issue (about which JH was probably right) to all kinds of unrelated things.
laurel says
such as marriage equality postings. we all know that marriage does not confirm or deny any right to procreate. but “they” just can’t pass up an opportunity to harass the gays.
they says
And it should continue to confirm a right in principle to conceive of children together, using the couple’s own genes. No one should have a right to conceive with someone of their same sex. It has nothing to do with gay per se, but that law will effect the rights of same-sex couples. Either we say we want to allow GE and SSP, or we say we don’t. But it shouldn’t be stifled out of the conversation, instead, see it as an opportunity to achieve equal protections for gay couples right now.
ryepower12 says
You aren’t the arbiter of determining civil rights.
centralmassdad says
Maybe he is JH after all.
they says
but reformed. I don’t want to get banned again.
ryepower12 says
LOL
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p>as for your second point, it’s inevitable.
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p>And I’ll add my own point: this is why we can’t just ignore trolls. They don’t actually go away – pun intended.
ryepower12 says
in a reply to my comment about 2 or so weeks back.
eury13 says
I’ve wanted to see what John Howard had to say…
they says
would be this person trying to get the wife pregnant, trying to combine their own genes.