No wonder Massachusetts spends more on incarceration then education. Each adolescent committed to the Department of Youth Services costs $23,000 a year – the tuition and fees at a community college are about $3000 a year.
Each young adult committed to a state correctional facility costs over $40,000 a year – and in the mean time, children are fatherless and motherless, and once released, these folk cannot get jobs or go into housing, leaving recidivism sometimes the only way to get fed and housed.
Apparently, the vast number of these folks are nonviolent offenders, with drug use and addiction or illegal economic activity arising from the drug trade and the failure to invest in our educational infrastructure including updated vocational education the culprit. We need 90,000 new workers trained as laboratory techs and data workers that we are importing from elsewhere because Massachusetts is not educating its own – we are incarcerating them instead.
We can do better – this is not a matter of rhetoric but governance. Apparently, Massachusetts for all its vaunted educational institutions received a c- in governance while Washington State got an A-. You don’t have to take my word for it:
http://www.boston.com/bostongl…
Maybe we need to elect more officials with degrees in governance-related fields who know what the word “performancestat” means, and who can read and use statistics and planning tools. What a novel concept…
peter-porcupine says
We can reinstate the death penalty in Mass. as the voters have repeatedly asked the Legislature to do.
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p>It would certainly help lower incarceration statistics, and would save tax dollars too.
tblade says
That will show the world that were better than those barbarians in Iran and Saudi Arabia who hate freedom! Especially since we’d have to execute tens of thousands of prisoners in order to sink behind China and Russia.
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p>The US is the only western country in the World to still execute prisoners. That does not bring me pride in my country.
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peter-porcupine says
You can’t have it both ways.
tblade says
China as over 4 times as many people then the US exceeding the US’s population by 1 Billion, yet the US has more prisoners. Also, as I noted in a previous post, The Guardian says “Compared with the UK, America has proportionately five times as many prisoners, with 750 out of 100,000 of its residents incarcerated, as opposed to Britain’s 148 per 100,000.” So no, I don’t take pride in those statistics.
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p>And to self-plagiarize, I also commented:
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p>”If America is the best country on the face of the planet, why must we jail so many of our residents? Is this acceptable? Or is America better than that? And when will the “fiscally responsible” (LOL!), tough on
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p>Perhaps we should get real about how we jail non-violent offenders, get real about sentencing, actually rehabilitating people in prison so they don’t repeat offend, stop allowing corporations from make huge profits by keeping people incarcerated, and attack the root causes of our prison population (economics, education, etc) instead of the very unChristian method of executing people we don’t like. Let’s work to prevent people from going to jail in the first place rather than looking for Peter Porcupine’s “Final Solution to the Prison Problem” – that’s the America I want to live in.
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laurel says
it is well documented that maintaining a death penalty system is more expensive than just incarcerating death row inmates for life.
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p>also, during his 5 years as governor of texas, even george bush, the death penalty king bar none, “only” managed to execute 155 prisoners. and this despite legal changes he made to grease the skids of the execution system.
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p>so, what peter porcupine proposes for massachusetts would
1. spend even MORE money, and
2. not have a decently* increased death toll to show for it.
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p>so even if you’re a person with blood lust, you won’t be satisfied with the outcome of a porcupine-style approach to the prison problem.
tblade says
…the “respect and dignity in all human life” party would be willing to execute people if means more money in their pockets. The idea that it’s OK to execute human beings based on a financial bottom line is utterly abhorrent.
laurel says
for the way he unblinkingly supported renewing the death penalty because he said that he thought New! and Improved! lab tests could prevent innocent people from being wrongfully snuffed. Sadly, it’s the same fallible/corruptible people handling the evidence and running whatever test you can devise. So there is no “bulletproof” way of preventing wrongful executions. Not to mention the ethics of executing even a truly guilty human being. But none of this seemed to bother “right to life” Romney. The sanctity of life for him (and too many other Republicans) apparently begins at conception and ends at birth.
amberpaw says
…and look at the record on exoneration.
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p>To execute an American who was, in fact, innocent of the charged crime would be murder, and the blood of the innocent would be on all of our hands.
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p>Therefore, in my eyes, the death penalty is not acceptable. I am far to familiar with the judicial system .
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p>For anyone who thinks that the death penalty is fool proof, I recommend either seeing the play “12 Angry men” or renting the video. “Witness Testimony” will never be the same for you.
mcrd says
The first time—they weren’t content just stealing all of my wifes jewelry—they almost beat my dog to death..
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p>The second time they finished off the jewelry and both daughters jewelry , they apparently were dissastisfied with the haul. This past summer a drug addicted carpenters helper stole my wifes engagement ring—I got it back.
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p>If I had been able to catch these people in the act I would have killed them, no problemo. The cops caught the first trio and wouldn’t allow me to speak to them. I told the judge and jury that if they don’t go away for a looooong while, then I will deal with them and they could give me life for all I care.
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p>As far as I am concerned they can keep these shitbums in jail for life and double my taxes. At least I won’t have to worry about having my wife or daughters killed when the interupt a B&E.
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p>Anyone read about those two guys in Randolph that just got 25 years? They not only did the home invasion. They raped the women, forced people to urinate and defacate on one another etc.
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p>Please—-spare me with your bleeding hearts. Wait until you are a victim of a crime and see the impact it has on children and women. Ask a rape victim how she feels when the POS gets two years and probation.
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p>The only thing Koranic law got right is cutting their hands and feet off.
tblade says
…how you always have some personal anecdote regarding any topic at hand.
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p>I’m reminded of the Penelope character from SNL.
lynne says
You honestly put up that straw man?
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p>OBvisouly people who commit violent and/or property crimes should go to jail, no matter what the motive. (Though, I would argue, for people addicted to drugs, you would get less recidivism if you coupled incarceration with treatment, costing the state less in the long run and lowering the chance they will do something like it again, or worse, making your wife and daughters SAFER. You can’t put someone in jail for a life sentence for breaking into your house if they didn’t commit violence.)
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p>It’s the people who get 5-15 years for getting caught possessing a gram of pot, or what have you, the nonviolent drug offenders, that people are talking about. Getting them OFF drugs BEFORE they commit violent crimes is better for safety, better for our pocket book, and morally more compassionate.
lynne says
That should read: “lowering the chance they will do something like it again or worse, making your wife and daughters SAFER”
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p>The extra comma makes it looks like it’d be worse to make your wife and daughters safer.
lasthorseman says
Death for what?
935 lies for instance! That would save a ton of taxpayer dollars!
farnkoff says
We wouldn’t want to encourage him.
laurel says
here are some interesting stats to support the article. clearly, the “war on drugs” is a failure. we haven’t substantially reduced drug use. but we have spent staggering amounts of money arresting and incarcerating a huge number of americans.
kbusch says
If I read the above correctly, reforming our drug laws might cut the U.S. incarceration in half, but it would still be twice that of the European union! To reduce it the rest of the way, we might have to look at our greater social stratification: the U.S. has an alarmingly widening gap between affluent and poor — why, like Russia and other states with high incarceration rates.
mcrd says
Now the Boston Globe today says then teen pregnancy is up and several days ago stated that 25% of teen girls are walking around with a STD. How about we cut all funding for these sex ed courses that are a dismal failure.
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p>Forty years ago getting knocked up was unacceptable. Ergo teen pregnancy was almost unheard of
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p>Our society has its priorities ass backwards.
laurel says
“Forty years ago getting knocked up was unacceptable. Ergo teen pregnancy was almost unheard of”
true. you never heard of it because those teens were hustled off to have abortions or babies out of your eyeshot. but they did have those abortions and babies, count on it. or are you saying that in years past men could keep their dicks in their pants? please say it, because i need to laff my ass off.
sabutai says
Is that the fathers are shamed into supporting their progeny. Back in the good ol’ days, they could just brag about “nailing the chick” without having to take any responsibility.
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p>PS: From this report:
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p>Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state and in the District of Columbia.
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p>The teenage pregnancy rate among those who ever had intercourse declined 28% between 1990 and 2002.
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p>Teen pregnancy rate in 1972: 95.1
In 2002: 75.4
tblade says
…Teen STD rates are higher in places with no Sex ed or “abstinence only” programs. So if you want higher teen STD/pregnancy rates, shut down sex ed.
gary says
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p>Teen STD rates are higher in places that serve more fried food. So if you want higher teen STD/prenancy rates, open more KFCs.
tblade says
Like America?
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p>We can look at the international statistics and see that US has far lower incidence of teen STD, pregnancy, and abortion rates than places that have, comprehensive broad sex ed programs like Netherlands, Germany, and France.
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p>http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs…
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p>Sex ed reduces abortion.
gary says
Sex ed reduces abortion.
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p>Implying that adbstinence only caused higher teen STD rates. Maybe it wasn’t the ‘abstinence only’. Maybe it was the fried food.
elfpix says
in other words, Amber!
gary says
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p>It’s no wonder. The cost of building a prison costs, say, the same as building a school but with fewer inmates than students (a lot fewer!), the cost per capita for an inmate is of course a lot more than the cost per capita student.
lynne says
..per child, isn’t it? How is this misleading, exactly?
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p>Bottom line: it’s cheaper to educate than incarcerate, by a lot. Are you disputing that?
gary says
You say:
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p>Costs to incarcerate in Mass in 2001: $413 million
Cost per resident to incarcerate: $63
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p>Cost to education: $10.3 BILLION0.3 BILLION
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p>Is $10.3 Billion greater than $413 million?
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p>On a per felon cost versus per student cost, let’s lament that the former exceeds the latter and attempt to change it. How? By incarcerating more felons. Guaranteed to bring down that per felon cost because most of the incarceration costs are fixed not variable.
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p>Cost per felon compared to cost per student, what a meaningless statistic!
tippi-kanu says
It is not too unusual for three generations of a family to be at the same facility. Based upon one’s home life, being locked up isn’t so bad. You know where you’ll be, have medical care, protection, heat in the winter and air conditioning in the summer, get exercise, some discipline, free legal advice and three good meals a day. Just like perpetual childhood.
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p>The Suffolk County Jail even has large screen TVs. Who could want more!