I know, I know…everyone’s jumping on the Obama bandwagon. A Clinton victory is looking more and more unlikely every minute. Obama’s undoubtedly putting the finishing touches on his acceptance speech.
But is this guy really ready for the November battle? Did anyone catch this clip of him in Michigan? “Sweetie”? I don’t know whether I’m more stunned by the sexism or by the arrogance.
I’m trying to like him…I really am. But he’s making it difficult. This is not the way to win over women voters.
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I don’t see it. Neither does my wife, but she is from Brasil. She wonders if it’s an American thing?
John, I think you are at least partially right. My wife doesn’t see it either but she’s foreign and we live abroad.
Not so much, John from Lowell. I know you think it’s cute to pretent to be so obtuse…but it’s not. You really do think if you ignore the subtle sexism, it will go away. But it won’t; many women have this kind of stuff on their radar now and recognize that he may be talking hope and change, but evidently it only applies to 50% of the population.
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p>And John. Who hides behind their spouse? Do you really think that would innoculate you? Honestly. Who does that?
Obama will pick up many Indies and some Republicans.
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p>You must define Progressive more narrowly the me. I even include Ted Kennedy.
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p>And did you just insult my masculinity? That’s rich. My wife didn’t hear your dog whistle. How does that make me a wimp?
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p>Oh, I’ll answer your question.
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p>Q. Who hides behind their spouse? A. Hillary Clinton
I wasn’t. I used the word “spouse.” For all I know, you could be female. In this equation, the only gender I knew for sure was that of your wife.
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p>So John from Lowell, why do you think Hillary Clinton hides behind her spouse? Support that statement.
Don’t chicken out. Go ahead an attack my manhood. My name is John. Whats yours?
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p>I could unravel many press pieces on Hillary using Bill as a sheild and about her riding his coat-tails, BUT…
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p>1)You’ll claim that is part of the grand media conspiracy.
2)You’ll do a “Macker” and keep touting the party line.
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p>Look I’m done. Your agenda is clear by the news article above that details the efforts to rally women to the cause of getting MI & FL counted so that they can sway the outcome of this race.
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p>This is politics so I guess that is fair. I won’t even speculate that your indignation is comepletely fabricated for that express political purpose because it is very likely that you truly are put off by Hillary being trounced.
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p>Let me summarize and I’ll leave you to the straw
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1) This race isn’t about “it’s womens time.” The problems we face are much bigger then that.
2) Hillary made more mistakes running her campaign then Barack, that is why she has lost.
3) The best person won.
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p>Now background on me so you’ll know who you are smearing:
1) I worship the goddess, so spare me the mysoginy branding. The Scared Feminine is a power that few truly fathom.
2) I always felt that Hillary was wrong for this race because of her positions and political history.
3) Though I champion certain issue for specific demographics, like Vets issues and immigration issues, I understand that they fit into the fabric of a progressive political agenda. Those that claim their flagship cause is paramount have no more credibility with me then the neocons.
4) I am a veteran. Though I fought for oil, I served for America. ALL OF IT!
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p>Here’s your soapbox back. Enjoy your crusade. If you get heavy handed with our nominee, I’ll glady check back in.
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p>UNITY!
…doesn’t hide behind anyone. She is one tough woman.
What’s your point?
Sometimes I’m slow on the uptake. It’s a political ploy. Blackmail, if you will. Pardon the pun.
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p>Race, gender, and hardball politics
obama slips up and applies the term to mccain in a debate. …should he ever get that far… (that last needle was for you, John ;D
…Barack often calls John “sugar tits” when eating together in the Senate Dining Room.
And I was making fun of Senator Obama’s slip up.
The man is not a sexist – he married an amazingly strong woman and is raising two wonderful daughters, was raised by a single mom himself and a great and accomplished grandmother. Powerful woman have made him who he is and he has said that often on the trail. Hell, the most important man in his life abandoned his ass.
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p>Obama apologized for his remark and owned up to his mistake. Sweetie as a colloquialism is said by a lot of folks in this country.
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p>You know all that I’m sure and yet you still want to find reasons not to like him. Fine. You don’t have to like him. If I could name the candidates I didn’t personally like that I have busted my ass to help elect this would a very long post indeed. Thankfully, this year, with Obama, that is not the case for me. But I fully expect many Clinton supporters and others who are not enamored with Obama to work hard for him, if only because he is the candidate most in touch with their views and values, and someone who can really bring change to America.
The perception of “subtle sexism” is out there about Mr. Obama, just google it. The overt sexism of many so-called progressives was quite evident in this race, some of whom are on this very blog. This woman has been dissected over her hair, attire, demeanor and her laugh…treatment that has not been similar to that of her fellow candidates. Clinton nutcrackers? Senator Clinton’s treatment by the media was so pervasive that there is a book out on the topic in which the media response to female presidential candidates is reviewed.
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p>You may expect Clinton supporters to work hard for him. I don’t know if your expectations will meet the reality of these supporters having had their candidate treated so shabbily. It’s not a matter of “like” so much as it is a matter of “here we go again.” We’ve seen this act before.
that you are referring to. Don’t hold others comments against him. There are no doubt plenty of people who don’t like Hillary and have said some pretty nasty and sexist things about her – but they have not been associated with the Obama campaign.
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p>And I hate to clue ya – she didn’t lose because of her clothes or the fact that people talked about her clothes. She didn’t lose because of sexism. In fact, given that women are more than half of the party electorate and she has run strongest amongst women everywhere – her gender may have helped and not hindered her. And she was more than willing at points to deploy gender as a rallying call when she was down.
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p>So please drop this victim thing. Hillary is as strong as they come and is certainly no victim in my book.
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p>She ran a great race. She is an amazing person regardless of her gender. She will go on to do amazing things. She lost because her campaign made some poor decisions and misjudged how to run in the current climate. And the fact that Obama is really friggin good.
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p>If you want to stay embittered by the fact that people – both men and women talked about her clothes and got rough on her (hell my mom is always talking about how great Hillary has looked throughout so I guess she is sexist) – and sit back and watch the real sexist party win this thing then by all means go ahead. Hillary is always saying if you can’t take the heat then…She took it quite well, did her supporters proud by her grit and tenacity. The best thing you can do is show some of the same character and stop trying to make Obama into something he is most certainly not.
Lanugo, sweetie, honey, dearie…you are right, there are many words used to address others…but when you are a candidate for President responding to a reporter who has just asked you a legitimate question (that you don’t want to answer) about why you did not tell the Michigan plant workers what you would do to protect there jobs, perhaps dismissing the reporter with the “sweetie” line is not the correct pivot line.
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p>Sometimes on the campaign trail with candidates who are so overly scripted and prepped there come a few moments when you can see the real person slip out for a few unguarded seconds…Sen. Obama has had quite a few because while his ego is mammoth, his experience, patience and skin are thin.
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p>As for your travails working hard to elect so many candidates you did not even like…well then, sweetie, honey, dearie, you can understand why so many women who have worked long and hard to elect male candidates who have turned out to be one-way-streets have finally decided that they are no longer interested in doing so. Do not assume they will all fall in line yet again this year.
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If the reporter had been male, do you think for an instant Barack would have dared to use the term “sweetie”? Would it even have occurred to him? I would venture a guess that a good portion of males who post here haven’t got a clue. Blatant misogyny is accepted, but racism isn’t. When, oh when, are Dems going to get it through their heads that neither is acceptable from any Dem candidate? Just as there are all sorts of different permutations of racism, there are even more when it comes to sexism.
The waitress called my 15 year old daughter “sweetie.” No Shit!
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p>The waitress walked away and my daughter looked at me, puzzled and abit miffed. “Sweetie?”, she said. “She doesn’t even know me.”
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p>I said, “She works for tips. She is just trying to reach out and be friendly. That is how she makes her living.”
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p>My daughter didn’t like her gesture, but she is 15 and will find how harmless the waitress’ words really are over time.
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p>Not that this is the same. Obama has to tighten his shot group with media relations.
I’m done with your minimizations. Your daughter will someday understand the reality, and I do hope she has someone who will be able to explain the real meaning of sexism and how to deal with it.
You missed a teachable moment and disrespected your own daughter’s instincts which told her the interaction was inappropriate. By dismissing her feelings about the situation, you laid-on some hefty sexism and trained her to believe that women must resort to inappropriate pandering to make a living.
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p>sheesh.
OK, I heard your point and am mulling as I blog.
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p>The thing that gets me is that women are allowed culturally to trespass in waaaaaay more familiar way with each other the cross gender.
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p>Women can hug, share a bed, groom each other. How was the waitress calling her “sweetie” any different? Because some trollish mysoginist may call her “sweetie” some day in the future and her battle instincts will be all dulled?
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p>Waitresses always shine up to customers. Is that some form of institutional sexism that degrades them? Are they victims of a culture that mandates the trade their dignity to serve yum-yums?
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p>What do you think of the pop star Madonna. Empowered woman turn a man’s world in her favor or is she a slave to our mysoginist global culture?
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p>PS. I’ll have my daughter read this thread. Then we will discuss the points. Thank you for the mulling.
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p>Good plan. Our child is in middle school and is daily rocked by sexism, racism and young people’s oppression. Rap, mtv, facebook/my space postings and misogyny have become synonmous to the point that the embeddedness in the culture, ironically, makes it difficult to identify, as it is so pervasive. When young people tell me about girls sticking their breasts in their face on the bus and pushing up their bras to expose cleavage, I try to listen to the impact on them. They are uncomfortable and embarrassed not only for themselves but for the girls that they realize are “starving for attention”. When girls hit middle school it is no longer cool or even acceptable to be smart and get positive reinforcement for those qualities.
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p>Maybe this election will promote a national dialogue on sexism, misogyny, and inequality that will pick up where the discussion got dropped in the 80’s with the rise of Reaganism & co.
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p>Good luck.
is she being sexist or a man-hater or whatever? It happens all the time, and the greasier the spoon, the more likely.
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p>How about “hun”?
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p>I agree that context matters and that it was a poor choice by Obama, but methinks you’re reading far too much in to it. Sometimes calling a person of the other gender a “pet name” is subtle sexism. Sometimes it’s just a greeting because you don’t know the person’s name, or a friendly non-sexual name of endearment.
I have no idea why I wrote “racist” in the subject instead of “waitress”.
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p>That’s just plain weird.
I thought, that is one cocked-up racist.
I’ve had waitresses use similar language to me and I gather it’s just some people’s style. I certainly don’t get offended by it and actually would be less comfortable using such terms rather than receiving them.
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p>As for Obama I can see the cringe factor, but I certainly hope nobody is considering changing their support over it.
I think you’re making a huge leap in equating sexism (systemic differentiations based on the sex of the individuals) with misogyny (hatred of women).
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The point I was making was that there are many instances on BMG where the lines are crossed. Did Barack cross the sexism line? Yes. Does that make him a misogynyst? No. The attacks on Hillary have crossed the line many times. I’ve seen this happen first hand with a candidate who was blatantly sexist, but the sexism was much deeper seated and did reach the misogynyst level. Racism seems to be the ‘ism’ du juor, but sexism is far more rampant. Hatred and debasement of women can start with “sweetie”.
I haven’t seen the clip so I haven’t got a sense of mannerisms but it seems like he was prickling a little bit and in a rare moment for Obama belittling the questioner rather than getting his “hmm” face on and handling the question.
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p>So yeah the sweetie thing is jerky and the term has connotations of sexism however if he used “buddy” or “chief” sarcastically with a man we’d just be talking about him being a jerk, not whether obama is guilty of an -ism.
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p>Just food for thought. I haven’t seen the vid and can’t tell you what was actually in Obama’s head.
Sorry, you’ve lost me.
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p>The sweety thing was definitely sexist. (Full disclosure — I’m a long-time Barack supporter.) There’s absolutely no way Barack would have said that to a male reporter.
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p>But, misogynistic?
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p>Misogyny, as I’m sure we all know, is defined as “a hatred of women.” All political rhetoric aside, I don’t think any of us really believes that Barack hates women.
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p>Does he deserve a quick trip to the wood shed? Sure. But let’s dial things back a bit. There is a real enemy in this election. And his name’s not Barack Hussein Obama.
And look – Hillary Clinton didn’t want to win because she is a woman but because she rocks. She ain’t losing because she is a woman – she’s losing because her campaign blew a race they could have won.
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p>Obama is not the straw that broke the camel’s back – the man to be punished for all the sexism that came before him. To do that would be stupid and self-defeating to the cause of women’s rights in America.
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p>You seem to imply that woman are owed this for past service. Blacks could say the same thing. Ultimately, the country’s wider interests are what really matter – which is what Obama keeps trying to say. You know that and yes I do assume that you will vote to change America for the better.
Though I tend to only refer to close friends as sweety, there are many people out there who use the word more loosely than I. This was especially true in the South, where I lived for three years. I was called sweetie or hun or sugar just about every time I set foot in a restaurant or store. I’m male, so does that make those women all sexists or misandrists?
…the server or the store clerk who called you “sweetie or hun or sugar” wasn’t a major presidential candidate responding to a member of the press.
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p>I expect just a little more discretion from a presidential candidate than I do from a store clerk at the local Piggly Wiggly.
This doesn’t fit that easily into the sexism category. My suspicion is that Obama should be criticized for excessive familiarity with a reporter. (“Buddy” as lanugo mentioned might have been used for a male reporter.) This may be an unfortunate consequence of the entourage approach that reporters use in the intense and unending media coverage of the candidates.
I only hope that Obama doesn’t go the annoying GWB route of giving everyone a nick name. I suspect that he won’t after this flap.
Is this the best you can do? Hey, this really opens up the door for HRC to come roaring back, right? I bet John Edwards is re-thinking that endorsement.
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p>Last night I coached a baseball game involving 14- and 15-year olds. Our catcher was going negative on our starting pitcher for being wild high out of the zone, without offering any constructive advice to help him throw strikes.
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p>So when the inning was over, I poked my finger into his chest protector while reminding him a pitcher in that situation needs help, not negativity. “Bring it down!” is not going to help him find his release point.
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p>So that finger poke into the chest protector of a 14-year-old kid – the kind of thing I ordinarily never do – that makes me, what? Abusive?
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p>You try going out on the road every day and running for office and see if after a few months you say something you don’t mean.
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p>Let’s see – HRC said something recently equating “hard working” with “white.” Just for instance.
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p>I’d say that a finger poke by an adult into the chest protector of a 14-year old kid at a little league baseball game is…well…pathetic.
it’s a fairly well-made chest protector. And the kid’s almost as big as me. He seemed ok.
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If what I did was “pathetic,” how then would you characterize the HRC remark I cited (hard working = white)?
That are the best reasons for kids to play sports? Finger pokes are fine with me, it’s not like Mr. Expletive was getting his kicks out of feeling superior to a 14yo, he was physically emphasizing an important lesson about working with teammates under pressure.
And perhaps I should mention the context – 20+ years of coaching. As in, every now and then, everyone does or says something they wish they could pull back and re-do.
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A reporter was yelling at a candidate who was not taking questions. The candidate brushed the reporter off. “Sexist”? Come on, save that for the fights where you have a case.
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p>I would like people to remember that candidates are real people. You can’t put them on a pedestal and expect them to stay there 24/7. It’s important to take this 40-second youtube clip and put it in the context of the larger profile of each of the candidates. Then you’ll find that calling someone “sweetie” once doesn’t amount to one one-thousandth of the overall criteria that should decide who you vote for.
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p>Don’t believe me? Ask yourself how many videos like this could be out there — probably are — on all of the other candidates. George W, McCain (goodness knows), Bill Clinton (forget about it), and we know Hillary has her moments as well. Ask yourself if you want to go on a tirade about each and every gaffe each one of these people have — declaring all the while “It’s normal for Bob from the grocery store but I expect better from a PRES-idental CAN-didate” … before you decide to go bananas over this one.
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p>Not surprised someone blogged this, but surprised it got front-paged. There’s better content out there.
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p>Not impressive if you ask me. On the other hand, it sounds to me like he was annoyed with the reporter first and chose a sexist slap-down, as opposed to being sexist first and singling out the reporter because she was a woman, if that makes any sense.
The Republican propaganda channel’s treatment of Senator Clinton’s laugh. Looks like Jon Stewart also deserves some criticism here.
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to spread around. But I reserve my greater emnity for the so-called progressives, as part of the “do as I say, not as I do” crowd.
is one of the many reasons for a shorter (MUCH SHORTER!) primary season. These people (BO, HC, JMc)have been campaigning for almost 1 1/2 years now. They’ve asked for our money and we’ve given it to them as well as our support and our time and energy spent defending and advocating for them.
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p>So now here we are in the middle of May spending a Friday getting all bothered about whether or not a comment to some reporter was sexist, misogynistic or simply rude while trying to apply it to some larger context within the campaign season. Is anyone else suffering from the fatigue that I am? Yesterday it was one thing, today it’s another and while tomorrow is a slow news day I’m sure the Sunday talk shows will bring us something else.
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p>These trivialities don’t need to be a seemingly inherent part of the campaign process. They are a product of a campaign season that lasts months too long and encourages superfluous debates, evasion of the issues and character attacks. The time between candidates announcing they’re running, the elections and the convention need to be shortened by about a year. This is tiring and ridiculous.
If he can’t handle and extended primary season, how can he handle 4 years in the white house? This is an opportunity to find out more about the candidates (especially BO who we knew nothing about prior to this election) so I say go at them and see what they’re made of.
starting to like him more…
He’ll never do that again.
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p>He calls his daughters that, and probably calls his wife some variant without the diminutive ending. But I’ll bet he knows better than to do it anywhere else.
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p>On the other hand how would you behave if you’d been campaigning in 48 states since Feb of 2007, with 2 days off? Would you slip up a few times?
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p>As for answering the question, he’s answered it a number of times and if the reporter had done her homework she would have known the answer.
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p>And, speaking as a 65 year old female Obama supporter in a profession, I do think the term is seriously inappropriate for that situation, but not necessarily demeaning in certain circumstances.
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p>However, this guy must be exhausted and there is no rest in sight for him until 2017.
Barack do-no-wrong Obama is a lucky guy…no matter what error he makes, no matter what truth he stretches, no matter who he diminishes, no matter what error in judgment becomes glaringly clear…he has a small army of folks (in and out of the media) to tell the public: “Nothing to see here! keep moving down the road. No real problem to fret over! keep moving!”
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p>It’s been fascinating to watch this campaign season play out…never seen one like it…hope never to see one like it again.
It’s been fascinating to watch this campaign season play out…never seen one like it…hope never to see one like it again.
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p>The beginning… not so much.
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p>sure you have, 8 years of bushbots.