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John McCain Insults Chelsea Clinton

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Forget “Lipstick on a pig” the real pig is John McCain.

Remember a few years ago he told what he said was a joke but shows what a pig he is.

Going to reprint the “joke” here although it is in extreme bad form but it clearly demonstrates who the real “pig” is in this presidential campaign. Here goes:

      “Quoting John McCain”

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“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

         Because Janet Reno is her father.”

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      • Sorry, PP, but I put nothing past the GOP at this point.  They want to win so desperately that they will stop at nothing.  We’re going to hit back hard.  Get used to it.

      • *[new] David – I THINK we all knew who she was without the photo… (0.00 / 0)

        And I repeat – Fox News agrees with you about phony indignation.  So try tamping it down instead of throwing decades-old kerosene on it.

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        p>Umm… Kerosene?

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        p>If I may be allowed to interpret for David, I would say that the point HE is trying to make is not only that the ‘joke’ made by McCain is in poor taste but that it is also factually wrong.  Chelsea Clinton is not, in fact, ugly.  Therefor, in addition to lacking class, he lacks intellect as well.    There may have been a time when, living in the White House as a teen and laden with braces and with a teens rapid development and resultant ungainliness, she might not have been considered beautiful.  I guess I differ (again) with McCain on the need to scale underage women upon the beauty range.   Maybe he’s just a pig.   Quick, slap some lipstick on him…!!

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        p>Now, what point are you trying to make?  

          • since it’s obviously a completely worthless, nasty insult, but instead I’m going to leave it up so that your hypocrisy and your mean-spiritedness can be on display for all to see.

            • Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and saying xyz is beautiful is a meaningless phrase. Saying xyz is ugly is as meaningless as well. You look at who marries who on the left coast—-go figure. Someone married Bill Gates and someone else married Hillary Clinton. There is someone for everyone. Hey—someone married me and I’ve backed a starving jackass off a bail of hay and that was before the grenade.  

                • That’s because you have a problem thinking of yourself as mean-spirited, so as a defense mechanism you pretend to not know what it means.

                • You should know by now that “mean spirited” is a term for when Republicans or more conservative Democrats say anything offensive about liberals.

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                  p>When liberals say these types of remarks about Republicans, they are just passionate or spirited. In fact… if you want to read “mean spirited” I would suggest you read ANYTHING and EVERYTHING written by maryscott on BMG.

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                  p>Hey David, how do you defend those posts??? Do you enjoy the use of the “F” word so “liberally”? Are they “NASTY”? “Mean spirited”?

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                  p>As for the remark about Chelsea… I’ll quote Obama… “you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig”. I’m referring of course to Chelsea’s support of the Democratic platform.

            • Very illuminating. How very enriched we are by these “alternative” points of view!

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              p>I look forward to reading numerous such exchanges on BMG in the future.

          • But she WAS Ugly when he made the joke – wasn’t she? (3.00 / 3)

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            p>The ‘joke’ was made over 10 years ago.  As I was at pains to point out, it’s decidedly icky for an old man of some 63 years of age passing judgement on the beauty of a still-developing teen.    I don’t quite think it’s right for a man of his years to comment, either way, on teens…  In fact, it’s really fucking cree-eepy.

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            And it WAS a funny joke!

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            p>What part was the most funny?  The adultery part? The gender-confusion part?  The part where a 63 year old man tears down a teenager?   How very… Republican… to make such sport out of such bedrock GOP values as family, heterodoxy and honor.  How very very Republican…

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            p>You make me nauseous.  

            • Haven’t you figured out that IT DOESN’T work?

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              p>The funniest part was making fun of that Buffoon Janet Reno

              • … were you setting the terms of the debate?

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                p>My mistake.  Next time, I’ll come you before deciding what makes me upset…

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              • Oh Lighten up – the Hypocrite defense AGAIN? (3.00 / 2)

                Haven’t you figured out that IT DOESN’T work?

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                p>…I make no charge of hypocrisy. That ship has long sailed.  No I’m charging him (and you) with outright pathology.  Somewhere between berserker and demented the GOP stretches into obscene shapes in a manner more closely resembling sociopathic disorder then the act of hypokrisis.  

      • As far as I’m concerned is that McCain is a MEAN OLD MAN who said something horribly ROTTEN about a young girl who was in her young-developmental years–both physically and mentally.

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        p>McCain is a disgusting PIG who purposely said something so hurtful that most teenage girls couldn’t deal with, let alone have to deal with because some a@@wipe considers them “public target area.”

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        p>McCain’s choice of running-mate lies.  She’s corrupt.  Her behavior is ugly even though she’s not.  They try to claim sexism, while McCain has called his own wife a cunt and has offered her up to biker gangs.

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        p>McCain is disgusted and no amount of paints is going to make him into a decent guy.  

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        • He said it to a couple reporters, as I recall.  Still mean to her, yes, and maybe he should have known the reporters would have to report it, but still, not the same thing as saying it to a cheering crowd.

          • He made the comments to a room full of republicans at a fundraising event.  You know, republicans.  Those people who claim to be all about family.  It’s in the links above.  Educate yourself.

            • That doesn’t contradict me.  Fundraisers aren’t rallies, and candidates often speak to small groups of people at a time.  Surely this joke was told to a small group of people, including some reporters that elected to tell it to the world (and Chelsea and Janet Reno).  Remember the treatment that Mayhil Fowler got from Obama’s camp for repeating Obama’s description of Pennsylvanians at a fundraiser in San Fransisco?  Here’s a NYT account:

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              There’s a bit of a brush fire in California about how Ms. Fowler got in, and Ms. Fowler is protecting the person who secured her a ticket. That person has since called her and said that fund-raisers are always off the record.

              “This was never conveyed to me,” Ms. Fowler said.

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              p>(I defended Obama regarding that incident back in April.)

          • Anyone care what Hillary Clinton says about anyone? I certainly don’t —-they are now all irrelevant.

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            p>Ten years ago—McCain allegedly made a bad joke—irrelevant. He was just a US Senator speaking to a local crowd. Look at the despicable things that John Kerry has uttered in the past two years. Kerry is still relevant because he speaks for the democratic party.

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            p>Obama IS the primary spokesman for the democratic party. What he says and does NOW is very relevant. November 5, 2008 it won’t make any difference. he’ll be Mr. Obama, then he can say anything he wishes.

        • His VP choice works as a govner she never stops she’s a go getter

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          p>Brings her out – she looks like a Queen

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          p>Makes Onama look like a teen

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          p>Liberals shouting somethin obscene

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          p>Such a DIRTY OLD MAN

    • … at the convention that it was a convention of firsts.  The first time the GOP has put a woman nominee for national office and the first time the GOP has come to the defense of an unwed mother.  Gotta love the GOP’s new found feminism.

      • Triumph said he wanted to visit a landmark before leaving town.  Of course for the punch line it was the Wide Stance Lounge.  But the Dems failed to get any mileage whatsoever from the RNC ignoring another landmark: the collapsed minneapolis-st paul bridge.  you know – the gop spends like mad on a hobby war, but can’t spare a dime for infrastructure at home.  a real missed opportunity.

      • Mr. Lynne – Reality check.

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        p>The GOP was the party of women’s suffrage, due mainly to the efforts of Susan B. Anthony, a lifelong Republican.  The 19th amendment was rejected by 4 sucessive Democratic-controlled Congreses until the GOP regained control in 1919.  Of the legislatures that voted – 7 of 8 Democratic legislatures voted agains women’s suffrage, 28 of 36 Republican ones vote for it, and so it was ratified in 1920.  The first convention to seat women delegates was the GOP – oddly enough, the LAST time we help the convention in Minnesota!  The first woman elected to the Senate was Margaret Chase Smith (R) of Maine…

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        p>I could go on, but..it’s not new-found.

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        p>Carry on.

        • in her Salon article, about frontier women versus genteel Eastern ladies:

          The gun-toting Sarah Palin is like Annie Oakley, a brash ambassador from America’s pioneer past. She immediately reminded me of the frontier women of the Western states, which first granted women the right to vote after the Civil War — long before the federal amendment guaranteeing universal woman suffrage was passed in 1919. Frontier women faced the same harsh challenges and had to tackle the same chores as men did — which is why men could regard them as equals, unlike the genteel, corseted ladies of the Eastern seaboard, which fought granting women the vote right to the bitter end.

        • Your examples are hardly representative of today’s GOP.  It used to be in this country that there were Democrats and Republicans and that, distinct from that there were conservatives and liberals.  The GOP has decided to become synonymous with conservatism.  Any party that is married the the same conservative movement that goes oh so gaga for Phyllis Schlafly can’t be called feminist in any meaningful way.  So yeah… the GOP’s feminism is newly found, most likely for its campaign convenience.  

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          p>I’m actually surprised it took the party of perpetual victimhood this long to make a feminist connection.  

  7. once told the “Why did the chicken cross the road” joke.  A class action on behalf of all animals stapled to the chicken is forming now.

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    p>Is there a statute of limitations on impugning candidates for bad joke telling?

  8. Politicians, with the rare exception like Mo Udall, got lousy good standup.  I’m guessing that Chelsea “adolescence wasn’t kind to her but she’s a future fox” Fox wasn’t so hot in ’92 as her ’08 photo, and it was still a lousy joke, whether it was McCain or Michael Myers (source of quote from SNL).

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    p>But fer god’s sake, Senator Obama’s all for gun control yet just shot himself in both feet.  Whether he meant Ms. Palin was a pig or not, the audience figured that’s what he meant.  No big deal, apologize, and move on.  

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    p>But no, facing two options.  Stay above the fray, or elevate the ‘outrage’ to a higher level. It’s a Bob “stop lying about my record” Dole or a  Ed “stop lying about my wife” Muskie moment.  

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    p>It’s his own, Barrack “you guys in the press have the brains of fleas to eat this outrage thing (sips chardoney) up” Obama moment.  “My friends, it was obviously (gazing distantly toward the Acropolis) one of myriad examples of agitprop theater, halfhearted apoplexy and misdirected metaphor and in turn the McCain campaign has behaved incorrigibly….”

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    p>Get over it dude, you didn’t mean to call the lady a pig.  Move on.  

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    p>Seriously, he says it was a reference to his economic policy?! Oh, he has a sublime sense of humor, no?  Small town lady like that moose huntin’, mayor whose staff is a fraction of his grand campaign cult can’t grasp the reference.

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    p>Two weeks from now, average memory will be “he implied she’s a pig?” and we’ll be off to the next pivotal moment.

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    p>Meanwhile, we’ve seen that Pallin’s banned books, posed in a bikini holding a Bushmaster rifle and a mini-skirt in the kitchen. Of course the kid wasn’t the mom’s; it was the daughter’s.

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    p>John McCain or Ms. Palin could tirade to claim their own Dole, Muskie, Bush I, Obama moment, but neither did. Good strategy? You decide.  Nah. Don’t. It was a good decision, just as Senator Obama’s decision, wasn’t.

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    p>august 29, 2008:

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    Denver has its pant-suited hordes of mad, Hillary-ites who steal the scene; Bill explains in detail how great he is, how great Obama is “…but sorry guy, I’m busy and can’t hang around for the big speech”,  an Obama speech that is encrusted with change with a Greek pantheon backdrop that hasn’t changed since Hector was a pup.  Meanwhile McCain closes in and the polls are oblivious to any bump.  People bump for a president candidate, but merely enjoy a celebrity concert.

    Post Denver concert, Obama glowing. over-cautious. Standing down that open field, the playclock ticking down, taking no chances. He is within a few days of losing this election.

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    p>Have I mentioned the prediction markets (you know, people who put their money where their mouth is) just turned in McCain’s favor for the first time this year.

    • … breathtaking in it’s sheer lack of coherence.  I mean… they’re all good sentences, in and of themselves… they just don’t make sense next to each other.  Any collection of paragraphs that contains two ‘buts’, one ‘meanwhile’ and a ‘have I mentioned…’ in so short a space has got to be saying something… I’m just not sure what.

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      p>Thanks, anyways, for the brain dump.   Get some sleep. Don’t forget to gargle with mouthwash first.  It’ll get the bad taste out and untwist your tongue… that way you can get some straight talking in…

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  9.  That MCain’s comment about Chelsea was in poor taste. But Nobama knew EXACTLY what he was saying in his reference to Sarah Palin. Why no criticism about Nobama and NoBiden voting FOR the bridge to nowhere. (pleae correct me if I’m wrong)
    So does Nobama believe all women are pigs? Or just white ones running against him.
    Someone please start a post about Kerrt’s new commercial about bringing heating oil to us. He’s lying, and I can back it up.

    • The Nobama phrase means you are a follower of that bigot Jay Severin who doesn’t even use his real name.
      As To Pig’s in the Palin family it is not Sarah but her daughter, Bristol Cream on Rocks who is the pig. Now, did you read that her inseminator Levi Hockey *uck doesn’t want to marry her and make an honest woman out of her.
      Yup, let’s bring that disfunctional family into the Washington. Weren’t Bill and Hillary bad enough.

        • Not sure when Bristol Cream lost her virginity but pretty sure she became a Woman long before Levi Hockey *uck impregnated her. My bet is 14 !

    • which the context makes perfectly clear to anyone who has payed the slightest bit of attention. McCain used the exact same phrase to attack Clinton last year, and I don’t remember Republicans getting all upset about his sexist attack on Hillary.

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      • You have deployed a tactical “looky looky” device here.
        Seeing that, I’m of the opinion that some here at least, even if they won’t say it, feel that Senator Obama knew how potentially offensive his “lipstick” remark might be, even as he was uttering it.

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        p>First off, let’s blow away the smoke screen.
        The only applicable timeline for this incident is that since Governor Palin was named by John McCain as his running mate on Friday, August 29.

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        p>Any other uses of the well known “lipstick” saying, and/or other jokes previously made in bad taste or not, are irrelevant, and are being introduced only to divert attention from the current flap.

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        p>1.) On Monday, Sept. 1, Barack Obama was interviewed by Anderson Cooper:

        Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

        “My understanding is that Gov. Palin’s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We’ve got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year – we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,”


        (emphasis mine)
        (source)

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        p>Of course, Mr. Obama conveniently overlooked the fact that Mrs. Palin was also the elected Governor of Alaska – but of course that would not have fit the belittling theme of his comment.

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        p>His derisive remark received little if any notice by the media or the left wing bloggers.

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        p>2.) Two days later, on Wednesday, September 3, Sarah Palin responded to Mr. Obama in her accetance speech at the Republican National Convention:

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        “Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.
        And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

        I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a “community organizer,” except that you have actual responsibilities.”

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        p>This was also the speech in which Mrs Palin set the context for the word “lipstick” in the campaign:

        “I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom and signed up for the PTA.”

        (APPLAUSE)

        “I love those hockey moms. You know, they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?
        Lipstick.”

        (APPLAUSE)
        (emphasis mine)
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        p>Of course, Obama supporters went ballistic, accusing Palin of unfairly attacking their nominee and “going negative.”

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        p>Again, completely ignoring Obama’s insult of Mrs. Palin’s record only two days earlier.

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        p>3.) Fast forward to Obama’s gaffe.  

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        p>Any candid viewer, knowing – KNOWING the history of the previous week, can scarcely be called credible if they make the claim that this remark wasn’t ill considered.

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        p>Now, was the insult planned in advance? I can’t say.
        It appears to me an impromptu, ham handed attempt at humor.  

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        p>Obviously, He’s not too quick on his feet.
        Looks like it just got away from him, not that that’s any excuse.

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        p>In any case, the Senator still owes Governor Palin an apology.

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        p>Of course, we know now that Obama (or his handlers) made a decision to dig in.
        To feign innocence.
        To blame others.

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        p>In choosing a disingenuously worded denial, the Senator has spurnned a golden opportunity for a self deprecating apology that might have actually turned this thing to his own favor.

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        p>So much for political instinct.

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        p>Mr. Obama is fortunate that the timing of this story runs up against today’s observances of the 9/11 attrocities, and will die out in the msm as a result.

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        p>But rest assured that cracking wise on a lady has had a negative impact on Mr. Obama that no amount of “looky looky” is going to erase.

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        p>Mr. Obama’s short, and unfortunate career in stand-up brings to mind another porcine maxim:
        You can try to teach a pig to sing.
        But you’ll waste your time, and annoy the pig.

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          p>Here, let me translate. A shorter version of the above post:

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          Herewith and henceforth, the party of the first part, Barack Obama, shall not name, infer, imply nor make reference in any way to any and all of the following

          Lipstick
          Pigs
          Hockey
          Moms
          Hockey Moms
          War
          Peace
          White
          Black
          Up
          Down
          Men
          Women
          Men who are not women
          And women who are not men…

          He shall connect such dots as are outlined above at his peril and, failing compliance is a deserving and just recipient of the effluvia of flaming windbags.  Amen.

  10. We must all give this subject a poke!
    For our own guy has gaffed.
    And the sycophants laughed.
    So let’s break out the mirrors and smoke!
    ;^p

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