NYT humiliates the McCain campaign. Again.
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement.
The disclosure undercuts a statement by Mr. McCain on Sunday night that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had had no involvement with the company for the last several years…. No one at Davis & Manafort other than Mr. Davis was involved in efforts on Freddie Mac’s behalf, the people familiar with the arrangement said.
And to anyone who wants to respond, “hey, Obama’s got Freddie and Fannie connections too,” I’ll just say, at least Obama didn’t lie about them.
On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis’s role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager “has had nothing to do with it since, and I’ll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it.”
Oopsie.
johnk says
Eschaton.
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johnt001 says
…with someone who buys ink by the tanker truckload!
bob-neer says
I mean, the man believes that Czechoslovakia is still out there somewhere, and that Iraq and Pakistan have a common border. He probably sincerely believed what he was saying. Why must you always choose the harshest possible interpretation?
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p>Interestingly, I have found a video of Barack Obama as a much younger man attempting to purchase some change from John McCain at, funnily enough, a shop in England. MoveOn.org released the video:
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billxi says
Did John Kerry invest in them? Mevermind, how much have they invested in John Kerry? Jeff Beatty for US senator! Sorry, you emperors need to put some pants on.
johnt001 says
Otherwise, go away.
billxi says
It is due to neuropathy in my extremities. Read yesterdays Herald. I have posted enough links. The problem is: thats usually the end of the thread. If I have make a serious point, I’ll provide a reference.
johnt001 says
I make enough of them myself – but I do have a problem with unsourced accusations. As to the Herald, thanks but no thanks, that rag is barely serviceable as a bird cage liner…
eaboclipper says
http://www.johnmccain.com/mcca…
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p>Davis has not been employed by his former firm since 2006 and has taken no pay from them.
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p>Nice smear try though.
bob-neer says
The McCain campaign attempts to refute this extremely embarrassing revelation in the statement you link to as follows:
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p>What they don’t say, and confirm by omission (even though it’s an undisputed fact, anyway), is that Davis owns equity in his firm. The contracts with Freddie helped his firm, and supported the value of his shares even though he wasn’t working there. Your argument is like saying the Bush administration’s no-bid payouts to Halliburton didn’t help the company’s shareholders, only the employees of the firm.
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p>I know economics is “not his strength” according to McCain, but this argument is laughable.
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p>The McCain campaign is being run by a chap who received a direct benefit from Freddie Mac up until last month.
johnt001 says
You’ve been called on this before, specifically in your Exxon MObama tissue of lies – I guess you haven’t learned from that experience, eh? How many McCain points did you get for posting these talking points?
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p>Rick Davis owns that firm, whether he draws salary or not. The firm benefits from the payments, and one day Davis will draw salary again – these facts are left out of your discussion, and you’d have us believe that it’s a full and accurate accounting of the issue? Pathetic…
geo999 says
BMG knows that Rick Davis has not received a penny of the money paid by Freddie Mac to Davis, Manafort, and Freedman since he took leave in 2006.
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johnt001 says
See this Newsweek article here:
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p>http://www.newsweek.com/id/160713
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p>The salient part:
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p>While he may not have “received a penny” from Davis Manafort since he took his leave, as a corporate officer he still derives a benefit from the ongoing payments. You lose, geo – and so does McCain…
geo999 says
…without first making you case.
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p>You claim that “he still derives a benefit from the ongoing payments”.
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p>Prove it.
mr-lynne says
… Fannie paid the firm ergo he receives benefit.
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p>Frankie: “Don’t worry Vinnie… I’ve got it all figured out”.
Vinnie: “What do you mean Frankie? You mean you’ve got a way to pay me without payin’ me? How’s this gonna work Frankie?”
Frankie: “I’m not going to pay you Vinnie,… stop talkin’ like that or we’ll both be in trouble. What’s gonna happen is I’m going to leave some money in a car. It just so happens by coincidence like {wink} that it happens be a car that you have some ownership of, see?”
Vinnie: “Ooooohhh…. I get it now. (laughs) Frankie, you’re one smart cookie!”
geo999 says
…he does or that he will, derive a direct financial gain from these payments.
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p>If you cannot do this, then just say so.
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p>No amount of frankie vinnie bullshit that you dredge up to bulk out your non-reply is going to help you prove your claim.
mr-lynne says
… a gain on the balance sheet of a company he owns. In what universe do you live in where when I put money into your business it isn’t a benefit?
geo999 says
It’s about what you know.
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p>Do you know how receipts of the firm are distributed?
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p>Do you know if payments to Mr. Davis are being held in escrow?
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p>Do you know if Mr. Davis has assets that are appreciating in value as a result of these receipts?
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p>Do you know anything about the specifics of Mr. Davis’ financial arrangements with the firm?
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p>If you can’t answer these questions, then how can you make the absurd claim that Sen. McCain is lying about them?
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p>If you can’t answer these questions, then why do you even continue to prattle on about this matter?
mr-lynne says
… and it’s growing in value because of direct payments from Fannie. What else is there to know? His assets are growing because of Fannie. The details… whatever they are… the result is that his assets are growing because of Freddie.
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p>Let’s flip it around… Are you claiming that his assets didn’t grow because of payments from Fannie?
geo999 says
You need to prove yours.
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p>Call back if you do.
Until then, I call b.s. and consider this matter closed.
mr-lynne says
Fannie and Freddie paid the firm
The firm’s value grows
The firm is Rick Davis Asset
Ergo Rick Davis’ Asset grew from payments from Fannie and Freddie.
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p>Either dispute any of the logical steps above or any of the premises… anything is is a retreat from the field.
geo999 says
This is the claim;
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p>Either prove the claim to be true, or don’t
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p>Your so-called “logical steps” do not prove the claim.
Hell, you haven’t even shown proof for “logical steps” two through four.
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p>You’re bullshitting, Mr. Lynne.
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p>Is that simple enough for you?
mr-lynne says
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
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p>You want me to use the word ‘payroll’.
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p>Silly me thinking that all that was required was showing that money changed hands.
johnt001 says
If Rick Davis was deriving no benefit from his ownership of Davis Manafort, why did he have the McCain campaign pay his salary directly to Davis Manafort?
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p>So Davis was using his firm as a conduit for his salary until July 2007, then he set up a bogus “web services” firm in order to collect almost a million dollars. Of course he doesn’t collect a salary – I wonder what he gets in dividends? They’re taxable at the lower caplital gains rate, after all…
johnt001 says
http://www.newsweek.com/id/161…