Adam Reilly at the Phoenix has quite the scoop: looks like the NY Times Co. has threatened the Globe with a total shutdown unless the Globe’s unions agree to $20 million in concessions. Reportedly, pay cuts, pension contributions, and job guarantees are all on the table.
Adam also has a memo sent by the head of the Boston Newspaper Guild to his membership:
[T]his was a confidential meeting – and this union is nothing without its word. So I intend to keep the details of the meeting private as promised by that agreement. Unfortunately, other people have not and rumors are circulating.
Here is what I can tell you. The Globe and NYTimes management painted a not-unexpected dire picture of the Boston Globe’s financial situation. They are looking for financial concessions from all unions. Again, this is not unexpected given the recent 5 percent pay cut for managers across the company (that 5% management/exempt pay cut comes with an additional 10 paid personal days for management/exempt – making any giveback a virtual wash).
Pretty grim. So what’s our Plan B if the Globe shuts down, or suffers a long downtime while management and the unions work it out?
UPDATE: I found this nugget from the Globe’s write-up to be hilarious:
Catherine Mathis, a Times Co. spokeswoman, declined to comment. Globe publisher P. Steven Ainsley also declined to comment.
Right, ’cause God forbid the people whose sanctimony about others giving the public the information it needs knows no bounds should offer a comment when the story’s about them, for a change! đŸ˜€
woburndem says
This looks serious, boy I hope this is just a scare tactic it would be unbearable having to listen to that Rag Herald crow they out lasted the Globe. Don’t get me wrong the globe is not perfect but it is a real paper not a grocery store rag at check out that the Herald is.
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frankskeffington says
With my local teachers union that voted down joining the state health plan that would save (or most likely reinvest back into the schools) $500,000 for our community…yes, I’m slightly off topic and I’ve got many thoughts about the demise of the newspaper business…but right know I have the two opposing images in my mind: One in which the Globe says the situation is so bad we may close (a similar situation facing lots of companies) and another in which an insulated union gives the bird to the community as a whole. What happened to the concept of ONE MASSACHUSETTS?
amberpaw says
http://www.boston.com/business…
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ryepower12 says
For a regional paper, it has okay distribution numbers and amazing online numbers. Whatever problems the Globe has are mostly contributeable to the NY Times, imo.
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p>Not saying that some (more) concessions may not be needed, because the Times did pretty shitty things to the old bird, but $20 million? If they want me and people like me to believe it, they ought to open up the books and show where a $20 million+ defecit is coming from.
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p>Otherwise, it’s an assumption I’m not willing to buy. If I were the head of the union, I wouldn’t agree to any concessions without seeing those numbers in public.
mcrd says
The Globe cut its own throat. Both the bow tie mob and the Guild. Now they are all about to reap the whirlwind.
When I was young there were five newspapers in Boston and the Globe was a good read. Now reading the Globe is like reading Pravda. Oh well. Now the Massachusetts hacks have one less adversary. Soon they will be able to run amok.
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p>The previous comment is typical shortsightedness. What did Dirty Harry say? “Do you feel lucky today—punk? Well do ya?” I have always been prudent when warned in good faith that ill is lurking around the corner.
amberpaw says
The comparison is really not accurate, at all. In “the day” there were aparatchiks who approved or did not approve stories, no investigative work at ALL in either PRAVDA or ISVESTIA and they both had the nimbleness and turning radious of a WWII battlepocked tank.
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Isvestia is the Russian word for news.
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mike-from-norwell says
I don’t think it takes too much research to realize that the newspaper business as a whole is sucking wind. The old cash cows of ads are gone (classifieds to Craigslist, Real Estate has entirely moved to the Internet – what RE agent wants to fork over house listings for a teeny ad to the Globe, when you can post pix on Realtor.com).
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p>Stand your union ground for sure, if that makes you happy. But the sad fact is that the Globe (and just about every other newspaper out there) is the proverbial buggy whip manufacturer circa 1900 right now. Where that leaves Boston.com I’m not sure.
farnkoff says
For five years or so the Globe has been urging municipal unions to do whatever Menino asked them to do. There have been countless editorials calling for various city union concessions.
Now I guess it’s time for Globe unions to take the same advice the Editors have been sagaciously offering municipal unions: don’t ask questions, just suck it up.
kirth says
It’s consistent with the owners’ anti-union worldview. They have always resented any instance of workers having a say in the conditions of their employment.
ryepower12 says
Open up the books. If the NY Times and Globe are in such dire shape, prove it to the world. Otherwise, my sneaking suspicion is that their profits are down and they want to take advantage of the situation and reap whatever they can now, so they make even more money when the economy is back up.
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p>That’s not the only problem in terms of delivering good ROIs, but it is certainly one of the only reasons why any papers over the past few months went under. Not unions. Not craigslist. Not blogs. Not Filenes. Just huge fucking debt that never should have been taken. For those papers — let them die. The NY Times suffers from large debt too, but probably not unmanageable debt — and it’s not the Boston Globe’s fault that the NY Times purchased them for so many hundreds of millions. The unions may have to suffer for it anyway, but they shouldn’t until they see the books.
jeremybthompson says
Unions: “Open up the books.”
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p>NYT: “Never heard of him. But out of curiosity, does he say what the other reasons are? Has it occurred to him that Craigslist has decimated newspaper ad revenue? That this is a structural problem affecting the entire industry, and not just the result of a business decision made at this newspaper company alone.”
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lynne says
was mine, not Mr Lynne’s. Anyway, was that really necessary? I mean, come on.
jeremybthompson says
But I’m just tired of Ryan’s dismissive stance towards the Globe (which point I also make in my reply to him below).
ryepower12 says
Believe me, I would much prefer the Globe were a great paper. That’s why I criticize it. (And, btw, I do complement it when they do a particularly great story – the Partners/Blue Cross series is Pulitzer worthy.)
farnkoff says
Just curious.
I think the Globe’s pretty cool- and without it we would have precious little to talk about here on BMG.
somervilletom says
The Washington Post is a great newspaper that the Globe would do well to emulate — bearing in mind that the Post is having its own issues embracing the web revolution.
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hrs-kevin says
but is it a great Metro paper? There are different standards of goodness for papers. Does the Globe really need to be covering national and international events with the type of depth of the Times or the Post? As a subscriber to both the Times and the Globe, I personally would just like the Globe to focus on its local, metro and regional coverage.
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ryepower12 says
Other than saying a long-winded (and not funny at all) neener-neener?
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p>If the NYT and Globe truly need $20 million to get back in the black, they should prove it to the unions. Otherwise, unions have no reason to assume anything, especially from an entity that supposedly deals with primarily facts making large demands without justifying them using facts.
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jeremybthompson says
is that you’ve offered nothing but a high-road strategy (appealing to truth, facts, etc.), and high-road strategies are pointless unless part of a many-pronged campaign that a small industrial union like the Globe’s is in no position to mount. It’s not about what the NYT “should” do, it’s about what they can be encouraged or forced to do. Nowhere do you offer a plan for forcing the NYT to open its books.
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p>So I’ll just ask point blank: How do you suggest the union get the NYT to open its books? And in what you consider to be the unlikely event that those books actually contain some horrific numbers, do you have any ideas for what to do next? Or do you think the Globe is just so totally useless that we can just let it go and rely instead on the Herald and the likes of Kim Khazei?
ryepower12 says
They’ll lose a lot more than $20 million a year if they do that. It’s a threat from management, who happens to be in a stronger position at this point.
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jeremybthompson says
I have better things to do with my Saturdays than take up academic debates on BMG. This is a potential real catastrophe for the Boston region, and I think it’s important to (a) take the NYT’s threat seriously, especially in light of the fact that daily papers in Denver and Seattle just recently went kaput, and (b) begin considering alternative futures for the Globe.
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ryepower12 says
Nice.
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david says
the reporting may be suspect, but all the available reporting shows that your assumption is not correct. The Globe itself doesn’t have massive debt payments, AFAIK, since it hasn’t been gobbling up other papers (NYTCo does have debt issues, but that’s a different subject). The problem is that the Globe is losing over $1 million a week in operating expenses. That’s not sustainable for any length of time.
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hrs-kevin says
There is no question that other media is sucking up available ad revenue, but a lot of people still do read the paper (we are really quite far away from the print editions becoming “irrelevant” as you claim) and will continue to do so indefinitely, so there is still a lot of money to be made by the Globe as long as they can keep their costs in line. The question is how much of the loss in revenue is associated with the recession and is therefore temporary versus the permanent loss due to our changing media environment? The answer to that question is needed for the unions to determine what concessions they should make. No doubt long term and short term concessions are needed but you can bet that the Times is going to be asking for only the former.
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p>One thing is for sure. Readers don’t buy papers primarily for the ads. They buy them for their non-advertising content. Anything they do to lower the quality of the content will lower readership both in terms of number of subscribers and with how long readers spend perusing the papers, both of which lowers the value of advertising. So they have to be very careful not ruin their product in the quest for cost cutting.
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ryepower12 says
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p>Is it what’s wrong the Boston Globe? It seems more likely to me than the alternative, but the NYT is free to make their case to the unions. Instead, they issue a huge threat with little to back it up. I’m sorry I don’t blindly take the assumptions of a corporations at face value, David, but no one should when they could easily have ulterior motives.
ryepower12 says
http://www.irishtimes.com/news…
frankskeffington says
First, as a public company, the NYT’s books are pretty much open…every quarter we know by properties (papers) revenues, loses, ad linage ect and you can bet that the unions are on each quarterly confercene call when the Times is grilled by Wall Street analysts.
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p>IF the unions do make concessions, hopefully they can get an upside IF the paper survives…like a nice chunk of equity. What does the Times have to loses giving arranging a deal like that…?
david says
Of course NYTCo has huge debt problems. That’s why they’ve mortgaged their building in the worst real estate market in decades, for God’s sake. And that’s probably why they’ve unwilling to continue to absorb the Globe’s losses.
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dkennedy says
Doesn’t really enter into it. This is not a matter of the Globe being unable to turn a large enough profit to service the Times Co.’s debt. This is the Globe losing money – $50 million in 2008, a projected $85 million in 2009.
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p>Did you notice the conciliatory statements issued by the union guys in today’s Globe? Guess what? They looked at the books.
amberpaw says
…anyone out there up to that?
mike-from-norwell says
if you could somehow get the Obama Administration to outlaw Craigslist, and maybe undo the May-Federated merger (and for that matter, move BMG to scattered shots on the Letters to the Editor page), I don’t think you’re exactly going to find too many folks willing to invest in the newspaper business. I always thought that the prevailing opinion of “local” around here meant intelligent; don’t think you’ll find too many local investors looking to take over the Globe (or any other newspaper for that matter).
ryepower12 says
they’ll be up for it again, especially when the economy improves. The NY Times will have to sell it at a huge loss, but that’s something they should do. It was never worth so much in the first place.
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p>But will someone buy it? I have no doubt. It’s still a nationally recognized paper, despite the fact that the NY Times has tried desperately to regionalize it. Owning a paper is a little like owning a sports team. They may make a profit, but never a huge one. Owning something like that is as much for prestige (and to control the ink, in a newspaper’s case) as it is to make lots of money.
ryepower12 says
Maybe I should have compared it to owning Dunken Donuts. DD was taken off the public markets for a reason — it made profits year in and year out, but never huge in comparison to the costs of production and building the stores. The profitability of Dunks (or super markets) is in the volume that they sell. The profitability in newspapers may be more like 5-15%… that doesn’t thrill shareholders, but a small ownership group? A small ownership group happily bought out Dunks…
lynne says
a 15% return on our 401K…
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ryepower12 says
that’s what happens when companies leverage a brick with a feather. Unfortunately, these huge ROIs over the years were really fake… which only makes the stable profits of the newspaper industry, before they gobbled each other out by greatly inflated numbers, all the more pleasant. Whoops!
mike-from-norwell says
if you’re looking at the reality of the business. Did make me laugh with that well-intentioned bill to let newspapers convert to nonprofit status as an answer; believe me, taxation isn’t exactly their biggest problem right now as you don’t pay taxes when you are losing money hand over fist.
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p>Newspapers made their money through classifieds and big store ads. Remember back in the day when the Globe was more than about 30 pages long? Huge full page ads from Jordan Marsh and Filenes every day (oops, May-Federated took those out of play). Also remember when the Real Estate section meant people in the market for a new house drove to the local convenience store late Saturday night to get the early drop on open houses (forget the front, we just want to buy the inserts). Oops, forget that, just fire up Realtor.com. Heck, they even have multiple color pictures. Talk to any realtor right now; who wants to waste money advertising in a newspaper?
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dkennedy says
How’d you like to see Jack Welch back in the picture? Maybe he’d put his buddy Mike Barnicle in charge. Be careful what you wish for.
somervilletom says
The Boston Globe, in particular, has kept its head stuck firmly in the sand while the world changed around it. The Globe, along with the rest of the print industry, chose to fight the new technology rather than embrace it.
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christopher says
…who still prefers print for hardcore news?
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bob-neer says
Personally, I can’t think of any. Some entities that relay news reported by others — Google News, Yahoo — but no profitable internet-only websites. ProPublica, GlobalPost … no profits there. Maybe tiny ones at places like TruthDig?
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somervilletom says
when you skipped over “entities that relay news reported by others — Google News, Yahoo –“
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edgarthearmenian says
I like that. You are now sounding like a true capitalist.
somervilletom says
A “compassionate capitalist”.
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seascraper says
This is a myth. They give the paper away for free on the web. And have been for what, 11 years? Boston.com is a money-losing information-leaking hole which would be nothing without the paper Globe.
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somervilletom says
They do not “give the paper away for free on the web”.
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seascraper says
The web is losing money. No matter what the audience is, the ads don’t pay for what is on the page, especially if the story is by a Globe reporter. They simply can’t charge what they charge for the paper edition, because nobody clicks ads on the web. It’s possible that the paper ads were overpriced, but that still doesn’t solve the problem.
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stomv says
Does either BrooklineTom or Seascraper know the actual numbers on ad revenue online? I have no instinct whatsoever what the revenue is from boston.com vs. the costs for hosting and managing the webpage. I suspect that it’s profitable if you go at it from the perspective that the news articles have already been written, so the only additional cost is bandwidth and server overhead, which is really low on a per-article basis.
seascraper says
I read an article which included stats from the Washington Post. I can’t remember the numbers but there was a huge difference in ad revenue between a print subscriber and a web visitor. I think they made 50 times as much off each print subscriber.
somervilletom says
what is happening to their circulation? How many people are dropping their subscriptions in order to read the Post online? How many people read the online version from outside the DMA (like me) because they can’t get the hard-copy version on the morning it’s printed?
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p>Here is the “2009 General Ad Rates” card published by the Washington Post (and provided by their online site, I might add!).
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p>From the above link, the Post has a daily circulation of 666,434 and a Sunday circulation of 912,433. It claims 1.4M “adults in the Washington DMA” as the traffic on washingtonpost.com.
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p>It is very difficult to translate these numbers to or from traffic statistics, or to compare print returns from online returns. It is not difficult to see the advertising market shift from print to online for the Washington Post as well as the Boston Globe.
seascraper says
http://www.american.com/archiv…
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p>http://adage.com/article?artic…
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p>I was working at an ad agency when the web first exploded, and even at the time I could tell it was going to be trouble to the entire system of marketing and advertising. My Cassandra act got me fired and I missed the next 10 years of agency income because I thought the disappearance of mass media was just around the corner, but anyway things are happening like I thought.
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p>You are right that there is a way to use the internet to communicate with customers but it’s not mass media and there is no room for all the money companies put into their old media buys.
somervilletom says
Mass media thrived on the economics of scarcity. The internet represents an economy of unending abundance.
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p>This is the kernel truth of the new era.
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p>The “red-ocean” economics of the industrial age were premised on value created by scarcity — the scarcity of physical atoms. One supplier’s gain came at the cost of another’s loss, and the competitive ocean ran red with the blood of the resulting conflict.
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p>Information is different, fundamentally. Bits want to copied. In an information economy, value is created by abundance, rather than scarcity. In particular, any attempt to artificially create scarcity will ultimately fail.
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p>In the old economy, when I had a creative brainstorm, it was bad news if I discovered that somebody else was doing the same thing. In the new economy, it’s good news — it suggests that the idea is a good one, good enough that other people as smart as me have already thought it up.
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p>One blog is a terrible source of information about a specific problem. A hundred blogs — perused, distilled, cross-checked, and validated — are a breathtakingly valuable source of information.
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p>The natural world around us demonstrates the abundance paradigm in spades if we will but see it. Trees produce many more leaves than they need. Genetic variation produces an abundance of new life forms — and natural selection picks out the winners (or, more accurately, kills the losers).
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p>Absolutely. In spades.
somervilletom says
Whatever the ad revenue is, it is surely not enough to pay the costs, direct and indirect, of legions of workers dedicated to the acquisition, production, and distribution of bundles of paper with ink printed on it.
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p>The audience has said, overwhelmingly, that it wants its information online. Yes, there are some who continue to want hard-copy. Perhaps there are even enough of them to sustain some sort of publishing operation.
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p>The point, though, is that there are not enough of them to attract the advertising revenue needed to pay the costs of those legions of workers I mentioned above.
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p>The typical consumer has learned that if he or she wants to know about the next special from Macy’s or Stop-And-Shop, he or she can sign up on the website of Macy’s or Stop-and-shop and get that information. If he or she doesn’t want to know, then running the ad doesn’t change that. That means that Macy’s and Stop-and-Shop are using their advertising budgets to draw visitors to their own websites. There is zero benefit to Macy’s or Stop-and-shop from paying for a print ad in local newspaper. Zero. That’s why they don’t buy.
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p>It is exceedingly dangerous, as the writers and editors at the Globe and at Boston.com are no doubt discovering, to assume that the news articles have already been written when you neglect to address the question of how you pay the costs of those who actually do the writing. The illusion that it’s profitable is created by externalizing the net cost of creating the news articles.
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p>I think it’s a bit like Exxon/Mobil reporting record profits, while externalizing the trillions of dollars it costs to prop up the governments and protect the oilfields from which Exxon/Mobil extracts their raw material. The taxpayer, rather than Exxon/Mobil, ends up paying those externalized costs. When included, “profits” of Exxon/Mobil dissolve away.
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p>As does the illusion of affordable gasoline in the US.
bostonshepherd says
I think the WSJ and USA Today. The Journal has found a way to integrate their on-line and print models that seems to work. Still, they’re lousy businesses to invest in. And their future is iffy.
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p>If the Globe folded, some other news outlets would emerge to fill the vacuum.
bostonshepherd says
Wasn’t the Globe always a proponent of union labor, at least if the taxpayer paid for it? At least I never read of their support of right-to-work laws, the modulation of PLAs, or elimination of prevailing wage rules.
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p>Ironic that the 13 (thirteen!) unions are likely the source of excess costs killing the Globe. Sweeet. It’s certainly not the cost of ink.
kirth says
Ironic
bostonshepherd says
By subscription only, at $39.95 per year. Print + on-line is $100
stomv says
It gets bandied around a lot, and it somehow appeals to logic.
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p>But, where’s the data? What does the classified ad revenue curve (adjusted for inflation) look like over time? How has people’s propensity to buy used change over time, in light of a continuous move toward cheaper, short-lasting consumer goods?
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p>I’d love to see a revenue line chart, showing print ad, classified ad, real estate ad, job ad, newspaper sales revenue, Internet ad revenue, etc. How has the revenue stream really changed, our pre-conceived notions and instincts notwithstanding?
sharonmg says
Boston.com was the only one of the top 10 newspaper sites that lost page views from December 2007 to December 2008, according to Nielsen NetRatings. The average increase was 16%, with nytimes.com up 6% and boston.com down 6%. That’s somewhat worrisome.
jack12 says
the NYT and Boston Glob fail.
How many Ellen Goodman or Paul Klugman left wing rants can one read without developing terminal nausea?
These mouthpieces of biased liberal doctrine will not be missed by folks who just want unbiased reporting of the news and just the FACTS sans partisan spin