So, there’s been a lot of outrage down here about some developments in the past couple of weeks. While the State Senate here was doing its debate on the budget, two crucial issues came up: freezing the corporate tax rate (excise) and increasing the sales tax by 25% to 6.25%. Let’s start with the first: apparently it was politically unacceptable for anyone to be raising excise taxes to make up for the state’s revenue deficits, so the best that could be managed was a sales tax freeze while sales tax increases were on the table. Simply said, the legislature was perfectly OK with raising the taxes of regular consumers, but when it came to companies, that was perfectly unacceptable.
But first, some background on the situation is warranted. Massachusetts is bound by its Constitution (specifically Article XLIV under the Articles of Amendment) to keep a flat income tax for its citizens, currently 5.3%. The state finds ways to get around this, namely deductions such as the $4,400 personal exemption, no tax status for some people with low income, deductions for renters, the property tax circuit breaker for seniors,and the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) also for people with low income. All these help make the tax system more progressive because they proportionally affect people with low income less than others.
However, even with these “fixers”, taxes such as the sales tax and gas tax push Massachusetts taxes as a whole away from progressivity. For the distribution see this graph via the Massachusetts Budget and Policy Center. With the recession dominating the political discourse, spending cuts have been made, but more tax revenue is needed to keep the state government functioning. Thus, this should seem like a golden opportunity to fix the regressivity of the tax system.
With the votes by the Senate to protect the rich by voting down an excise tax freeze and to burden the people with a sales tax increase, this opportunity has been lost. The sales tax is extremely regressive (as you can see with another MBPC graph) and it is just another example of something politically expedient that hurts the common man. Nobody is even offering to touch the income tax or to make it more progressive, even though it would seem that that is a much more sensible choice here. Instead, we have a tax that on top of being regressive, continually raises less than expected revenue, which is why institutions like the MBTA are constantly underfunded.
So what’s a better approach? The simple approach would seem to outright create tax brackets in the income tax by amending the Massachusetts Constitution. The main problem with this approach, sadly, is the political impossibility of getting such an amendment through the legislature. It would have to pass the legislature twice and then go to a referendum to the voters, after which new rates have to be made, passed again, and sent to the Governor. This would take years after any situation could be addressed with short-term taxes, and that is only if everything goes perfectly politically. Not gunna happen.
However, there are ways to accomplish something very close through other approaches. First, increasing the personal income tax credit would eliminate the income tax for families it puts a real pressure on now. No tax exemption only applies to couples with $16,400 and under, and the threshold increases by a thousand dollars for each child. However, families of four who make $60,000, for example, are still put under a heavy load with the income tax. Eliminating their income tax would make the system more progressive, and its revenue shortfalls could be easily corrected with a higher flat tax rate. Another approach could be to extend the property tax circuit breakers to all people by making eligibility for the circuit breakers more lenient and removing the cap on its usage. This would also make the system more progressive, although it would require some spending cuts or tax increases to make up for the lost revenue. All of these ideas have been proposed by other people, but their voices have been lost in the overall debate.
Overall, this debate signifies the new battle lines between progressives and the Democratic Party. In these times of crisis, there is little temptation to turn to Republicans who simply propose balancing the federal budget nationwide to provide “stimulus” or cutting essential programs while also proposing irresponsible tax cuts. They are the ones who have driven Massachusetts to the deficits that have made this recession even worse for those in the state. The new battle lines are between those of us who favor a progressive approach to taxes and increased revenue and those in the Democratic Party who would prefer doing something politically easy like increasing the sales tax instead of tinkering with the progressive income tax or making tough reforms on corruption, transportation, and pensions. This isn’t just limited to wonkish state stuff like this though. These are the same battle lines that we are seeing in the debates over issues like rendition, Gitmo, and healthcare reform. Progressives must have the ability to constantly hammer down the urges of capitulation and moderation inside the party if we are to take full advantage of the majorities we have.
UPDATE: Here’s a step forward, but it’s not a leap…Legislation here
BTW, any help here would be great…I don’t know as much as most people here do about the MBTA troubles and the mayoral race and the Globe agreements, but I’m in the process of learning here. It’s been a great process so far, and I look forward to more of the same.
christopher says
“It would have to pass the legislature twice…”
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p>”Pass” in this case actually only requires 25% of a joint session, thus 50 members in any combination of Representatives and Senators. It shouldn’t be too difficult in this state to find 50 who feel politically secure enough to vote to at least move the process forward.
david says
The 25% rule is for initiative petitions (i.e. those initiated by citizens via a signature drive). Amendments initiated by legislators (“legislative amendments”) require 50%+1 in both votes.
journalist-in-the-room says
think is even slightly wrong I will fix…I think it’s kind of important that people realize that liberal stuff doesn’t pass through without a fight in a blue state like ours. We can’t afford to have people thinking that reform goes through an echo chamber in Massachusetts…On the completely selfish side, this diary at Kos apparently caught the wrong time to be posted. Only comment there is my automatically generated tip jar. Guess you can’t win them all…
fdr08 says
I can’t see a constitutional amendment for a progressive income tax ever passing in this state. The electorate is far more conservative on tax issues than the bloggers here.
Your idea of raising personal exemptions on lower income earners and raising the flat income tax rate can be done. However, the careerists in the legislature would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to pass it. They still have nightmares about the Duke’s tax increase 20 years ago. Heaven forbid it might spur a anti-tax revolt and someone might run a real campaign against them and they might succeed and there goes the pension!
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kirth says
“The electorate is far more conservative on tax issues than the bloggers here. “
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leo says
Welcome to BMG and thanks for your substantive post.
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p>We need to launch a pro-income tax campaign for the fall and spring. Let’s raise the rate to 5.95 or 6.3 percent.
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p>Bobby Haynes (Mass. AFL-CIO) was cheered vigorously by Democrats from around the state when he called for this tax increase in his rousing speech to delegates at the Mass. Democratic Convention earlier this month.
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p>The big question remains….Will the union leadership actually DO ANYTHING to help make this progressive vision a reality?
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p>If you are a union member, call on your union leadership to get behind Bobby Haynes’s call for an income tax increase.
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kirth says
a graduated income tax. You seem to be talking about an increase in the flat tax. I do not endorse that as being as good as a graduated tax.
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somervilletom says
The current tax on the table is a 25% increase in the sales tax — the most REGRESSIVE tax proposal I’ve heard in years. Yet it was the only alternative the lege seriously considered.
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p>An increase in the flat income tax is surely far more progressive than this, is actually possible (because it requires no constitutional amendments), and could become law if the lege were pressured sufficiently by voters (including progressives like us).
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kirth says
Raise the flat tax now, and begin the amendment process to implement a graduated tax to replace it. If you’re right, then your only-somewhat-regressive tax is in place. If you’re wrong, something better is achieved. If not now, when?
somervilletom says
My fundamental problem is that a graduated income tax will never work as intended, because at the higher end of the distribution, “income” is essentially arbitrary.
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p>The only people subject to income taxes, therefore, are people who rely wages and salary — and that, by construction, tends to exclude the very wealthy.
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p>In fact, the effect of a steeply-graduated income tax is to raise the barrier for crossing that threshold. The effect is to make it harder, not easier, for successful individuals to join the ranks of the truly wealthy.
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p>I thus suggest that the alternatives are to either tax wealth or consumption. The former is done using the estate tax. The regressive nature of the latter can be addressed using a direct constant subsidy to the bottom one or two quintiles (or to everyone, relying on the fact that the subsidy is valuable to the lowest two quintiles and relatively less important to the others).
kirth says
“A “loan” secured by an equity portfolio can be liquidated as soon as the portfolio climbs a point or two without forcing anything to be bought or sold and therefore without any tax consequences. “
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p>I don’t see any income involved in that, so it seems irrelevant to a discussion of income tax. I would also point to the effect of Bush’s massive reduction in upper-income taxes on federal revenues as evidence that your “exclusion of the very wealthy” from income taxes is not real.
somervilletom says
Once a person’s wealth has accumulated sufficiently, “income” — as taxed by an income tax — is no longer needed, and becomes one more quantity manipulated arbitrarily by money-managers on the behalf of the individual.
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p>The premise of a graduated income tax is that it will target the truly wealthy. The fatal flaw in that premise is that the truly wealthy don’t HAVE (taxable) income and don’t need it. Increasing marginal tax rates will only shift the way the top 5% handle their wealth, and simultaneously block those with high incomes from becoming wealthy.
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p>I fear you confuse income and wealth. It is instructive to explore the wealth distribution of the US population (as opposed to the income distribution). The information is surprisingly hard to come by (but see this example). From this link, the top 1% of the US population accounted for an astounding 34.3% of the US net worth and 42.2% of nonhome wealth in 2004. The top five percent accounted for 58.9% of US net worth, and 68.9% of nonhome wealth. That’s two thirds of the nation’s wealth in the hands of one twentieth of its population.
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p>By comparison, the same top 5% held a substantially smaller 35.2% share of the nation’s income. According to wikipedia, this group paid 38.5% of the federal tax burden, including social security. This appears, to my eye, to approximately representative of their income share.
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stomv says
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* Top execs make their salary in wages, stock options, and dividends.
* Trust funders make their income from their trust, and while there are some tax free investment vehicles, oftentimes just paying taxes on the gains results in options with higher net results than just sticking it all in tax free bonds… and that means taxes are being paid.
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p>Are games played? Sure. But this suggestion that the very wealthy pay no income tax is crazy… their assets generate income and tax gets paid. Raising the marginal rates on the high end would almost certainly result in more taxes being paid on high-end income.
somervilletom says
The data for wealth versus income for the topmost 5% of the population (by nonhome value, for example) is hard to find and tricky to analyze.
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p>I think it would be more informative to look at the top 5% of the population by wealth share, and then look at the income they reported and paid taxes on. Then ask what would change if a graduated tax were to be applied — how much of that marginal “income” would simply disappear into other transactions if it were taxed at, say, 70% instead of 30%.
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1. Those who were paying at, say, 30% now pay at 35%. Same base, higher rate. Tax revenue increases.
2. Those who were paying at, say, 30% now pay on substantially less income at 35%, resulting in the product being worth less than prior.
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speaksoftly says
BrooklineTom –
Well put. But, wealth at tax time is not wealth over the course of a year. In the simplest example, if two people make $500,000 a year, and one spends $200,000 and saves the rest, and one spends $400,000 and saves $100,000, the second person shouldn’t have a lower tax burden just because he or she bought a couple extra yachts.
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In principle, on what basis do you think the tax burden should be distributed? Is there some virtue in taxing wealth at the moment of transition to an individual? Taxing wealth in the aggregate seems to get at the core of what income tax proponents generally cite as their motive – shifting the tax burden to those most able to pay it. Even if income is a comparatively great proxy for that, why tax the proxy when you could just tax people according to a direct measure of what they can pay?
somervilletom says
It’s your “category 2” people that this approach tends to miss. Also, those in your category 1 will migrate into category 2 as soon as possible.
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mike-from-norwell says
Big difference between taxation on earnings (w-2, K-1, Sch C) and dividends.
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mike-from-norwell says
Raising the income tax goes after the working “wealthy” who aren’t able to (legally) take advantage of what our tax laws provide. If you want to pin your revenue entirely on high wage earners who work for large corporations, go ahead. But think that you might find that many of your intended targets can adapt to whatever you throw at them if they’re small or have ownership interests.
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gary says
Note that in California, there’s significant movement now away from the progressive income tax because of the damage it has done via the state’s resulting reliance on high-end wealth which dropped in ’08.
sabutai says
Massachusetts relied on its relatively higher rate on capital gains to make the budget work, until it went kaput. However, upper-end income is more reliable than capital gains as a tax source. The problem wasn’t the tax policy, but idiots cutting taxes willy-nilly without thought about the volatility of revenue sources.
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leo says
I view this as a “two-step” campaign.
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liveandletlive says
why you think raising the income tax is better than raising the sales tax. An income tax increase comes out of your paycheck no matter what. You can avoid a sales tax by simply not spending money. So it leaves the consumer/citizen in more control over how much of the tax they want to pay, simply by modifying their spending habits.
You can go ahead and now state that people will spend less and therefore the economy will nosedive, but I don’t believe that, the middle class is already not spending money on unnecessary products. An income tax increase on the middle class is a bad idea.
somervilletom says
the graph of “Distribution of Personal Income Dedicated to State Sales Tax in Massachusetts, 2006” already cited in the thread starter.
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liveandletlive says
sometime statistics and graphs are amazing things but they do not always tell the true story.
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somervilletom says
These show how Massachusetts residents were actually taxed. Not “if” anything; these are graphs of where tax revenue actually came from in 2006. Where do either of these show that the middle class pays more?
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liveandletlive says
Would you please save all of your receipts and invoices for purchases throughout the year, total the sales tax you paid, and then find the percentage of your gross income it was. Let me know how it turns out for you, OK?
ryepower12 says
The voters showed they were much more intelligent on this issue than you give them credit for during the Patrick campaign, rejecting Kerry Healey’s claims and buying Patrick’s (true) ones. This was reconfirmed when the voters, by a gigantic margin, rejected the income tax referendum last November.People would be amenable to changing the tax system. The days of Carla Howell scaring the bejesus out of everyone is over.
fdr08 says
Rejecting the tax referendum last fall was a no brainer. In my Town both democrat and republican elected officials proclaimed what would happen to services if it had passed. As far as Kerry Healey she was a flawed candidate who got some awful advice. Carla Howell and Christy Mihos should both crawl back into their holes and let reponsible adults carry on the tax debate.
ryepower12 says
It depends on what you mean by “progressive” as to whether or not it’s a “progressive tax.” It’s not progressive insofar as it taxes people at higher rates the more income they earn. However, it is progressive in terms of the fact that it fits right in with movement progressive policy. Global Warming is killing the earth’s ability to sustain animal life (including human kind) — and raising the gas tax is one of the best means of reversing that. Now, raising that revenue means the revenue must be spent wisely: A gigantic proportion of it should be given to the public transportation system, which would be a huge boon to those who can least afford to buy a car and pay for its costs.
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p>As for everything else you say, I think some of your proposals border on outright dangerous — whilst your claim that changing the constitution to insert tax brackets is “not gunna happen” is neither helpful nor actually true. Just these past two years, a lot of things that were “not gunna happen” just happened. Times have changed in the 15-20 years since we last tried to amend the constitution to make taxes fair.
fdr08 says
I will agree with you that an increase in the gas tax is justified, for many of the reasons you listed. In the Rt495 belt there is much anger at Mass Pike tolls and gas taxes. I wished I lived in Newton and could jump on the Green Line to go to work, but I don’t. I have to drive, it is too long to walk! Investment in public transportation in the western burbs will take years and billions of dollars to be workable, if it can be proved to be workable at all. I’ll be retired (I hope) by the time it happens.
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p>I’ll ask the question again, why did not the Great and General Court try for a income tax hike rather than the rergressive sales tax?
sue-kennedy says
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p>Senators Jamie Eldridge and Sonia Chang Diaz did offer an income tax option and wrote a great column in the Boston Globe, May 17: http://www.boston.com/bostongl…
fdr08 says
Sens. Eldridge & Diaz did do that, but I do not remember any one else in the Senate even discussing the prospect. I’ll ask the question once more, why did the Legislature not even discuss raising the income tax in lieu of raising the sales tax?
theloquaciousliberal says
Senator Chang-Diaz bravely offered an increase in the income tax as an amendment to the Senate version of the budget. It was defeared 28-11. In favor? Eldridridge and Diaz. And Senators Berry, Donnelly, Fargo, Jehlen, McGee, Menard, Pacheco, Rosenberg and Toman. Granted, not much “discussion” but more than 25% of the Senate actually voted in favor of raising the income tax.
joes says
but I fear the progressive income tax will not be a near term solution, if ever.
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p>Maybe we need a different approach, built around the concept of the greater exemptions from a higher rate income tax as suggested.
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p>But the income tax is only one factor in driving the curves of effective tax rate. Let’s do the same for the others.
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p>Provide an exemption for real estate values – like the first $100K is exempt. The higher tax rate needed to have a net zero change would shift the burden to high asset properties.
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p>Increase the gas tax, but provide a base usage tax credit on the personal income tax to mitigate the penalty for low usage consumption. And if the sales tax is increased, provide a similar tax credit. In both of the latter cases it may be a net cost increase to the citizens (revenue increase to the Commonwealth), but done so to make the effective tax rate a little bit progressive instead of the regressive trend that currently exists.
bleicher says
Another option would be to provide our local cities and Towns with the authority to authorize the state to collect up to say 2% of the local communities’ income on the State tax return by Town vote. The income tax is at least somewhat progressive even if it is flat. The property tax is highly regressive and to the extent it can be shifted to an income tax would make our overall taxation much more progressive.
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p> This would provide significant local revenue for schools and local services and avoid the risk of sending tax dollars to Beacon hill. It would relieve the state from a significant amount of pressure to fund local services, and would reduce the excess reliance on property tax. It would also make local taxation more progressive.
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p>In our local community, 20% of our seniors currently pay real estate tax representing about 20% of their income. This is wrong. Unfortunately the state says we have no choice but to tax them out of town if we want to fund our schools. If we could tax 2% of our local income, we could cut the property tax in half, and significantly improve this situation.
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p>I think focusing on a local right to have income taxes collected would do more and be more likely to get approved politically. Do the math in your own community.
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bob-neer says
Why should the towns be limited at all as to what taxes they can levy, anyway, as a matter of principal.
bleicher says
The problem is our State Constitution. It gives the Legislature sole taxing authority and the legislature delegates taxing authority as it pleases. Always wonder if the legislature has a vested interest in controlling the purse strings?
liveandletlive says
shouldn’t you be using this chart…
instead of this one.
There is no clear definition of what the middle class is. If you want to raise the income tax but only ease the burden for those making $60,000/yr or less, I would say you are asking the middle class to take the burden of a tax increase. Using the chart above, It seems fair to say the 4th 20% should be considered the middle class, and therefore, exemptions should be extended to that group as well to ease the burden of a tax increase and help to make the income tax a more progressive tax. Until the exemptions for the middle class are considered in an income tax increase proposal, I will continue to stand by my belief that the sales tax is a better way to raise revenue without putting the middle class into the ground.
journalist-in-the-room says
because my computer was turned inside out by trojans and other viruses for a full week, but I just wanted to thank all the people who have been contributing to the debate about taxes both in this comment section and across BMG for a long time now. Never thought this would be front-page stuff, but much more important than this post is the overall goal of having a progressive income tax.
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p>Responding to some of the comments, I have a few quick points:
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p>1. When I said the gas tax was regressive, I did not imply that I did not support an increase. It would be pretty simple to make such a measure revenue neutral and use the money to cut taxes on something progressive. A “net-zero” plan makes a lot of sense. Taken to the extreme, such a system would probably become more regressive than otherwise, but it is implementable.
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p>2. Um, wealthy people have “income” other than stocks that can be gauged. Besides, I think MA taxes non-paper income higher (something like 10%).
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p>3. Yeah, I wish getting a constitutional amendment through was easy too. But the people we have right now are just SO comfortable in their seats and can’t stand being elected with 68% of the vote instead of 76%. But when I said “nobody” in my post, that was more of a rhetorical flourish than an actual statement.
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mike-from-norwell says
also have the ability to stay another month in Palm Beach to get to the 6 month threshold, wherein your 10% goes to 0% since they’re no longer residents. It happens.