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Finally, the AARP also has a campaign up. Conservatives under the impression that this is in opposition to President Obama are urged to contribute.

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  1. So:

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    p>Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, George Soros, and FireDogLake are funding and organizing the pro-“reform” side. But my side has astroturf.  Yup, got it.  Liberal astroturf is “grassroots”, conservative “grassroots” are astroturf.

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    p>When you guys finally see that there is a lot of anger at the unprecedented growth in government we are seeing, then maybe you’ll understand.

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    p>Bob wants stadiums.  Tell him to watch out for WAshington DC on 9/12.  Hundreds of thousands if not a million ordinary Americans are going to march on Washington on Saturday 9/12/2009.  Maybe then you’ll all listen.

    • that you don’t know what “astroturf” means.

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      p>There’s also a word for this George Soros obsession: antisemitism.

      • I really had no idea. All I know is that he is the prime funder of MoveOn.org which is an organizational arm of the progressive movement, much like FreedomWorks is an organizational arm of the conservative movement. All I hear from you is that FreedoomWorks organized events are astroturf and MoveOn events are not.  That smacks of a double standard. So this time I think I’ve got it right.

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        p>Again, I had NO CLUE of the religious or ethnic background of George Soros.

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        p>But your comment brings me to a thought I’ve always had.  How on earth do some people call Arabs antisemitic, when they are semitic peoples?

      • as much as a recitation of facts.

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        Activities in the United States

        In an interview with The Washington Post on November 11, 2003,[29] Soros said that removing President George W. Bush from office was the “central focus of my life” and “a matter of life and death.” He said he would sacrifice his entire fortune to defeat President Bush, “if someone guaranteed it.”

        Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.) On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[30] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The online transcript to this speech received many hits after Dick Cheney accidentally referred to FactCheck.org as “factcheck.com” in the Vice Presidential debate, causing the owner of that domain to redirect all traffic to Soros’s site.[31]

        Soros was not a large donor to US political causes until the U.S. presidential election, 2004, but according to the Center for Responsive Politics, during the 2003-2004 election cycle, Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating President Bush. (A 527 group is a type of American tax-exempt organization named after a section of the United States tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 527. A 527 group is created primarily to influence the nomination, election, appointment or defeat of candidates for public office.) Despite Soros’ efforts, Bush was reelected to a second term as president in U.S. presidential election, 2004.

        After Bush’s re-election in 2004, Soros and other wealthy liberal political donors backed a new political fundraising group called Democracy Alliance which aims to support the goals of the U.S. Democratic Party.[32]

        Soros supported the McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, which was intended to end “soft money” contributions to federal election campaigns[citation needed]. Soros has made soft money donations to 527 organizations that he says do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

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        p>He is a primary funder of your movement. It’s a fact.

        • He is a large funder, to be sure.  But, primary?  Nah.  Obama raised over $600M.  Dem senate campaigns, house campaigns, gubernatorial campaigns, and state and local races raised huge chunks too.

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          p>Soros donates a large amount of money, but there’s so much money from so many places that no single donor is a primary donor.  Heck, 38% of Obama’s $600M+ came from donors who gave $200 or less.  Their contribution is about 10 times that of Soros.

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          p>Facts are stubborn things.

      • when union thugs attack college girls and force them into oncoming traffic before debates.  I have a long history of witnessing union thug violence.  

        • There’s no point in trying to craft a reply to this.  I’m just going to let your words sit there and speak for their repellant selves.

  2. I’ll grant that the right wing is doing a good job of organizing their people to health care debates.  I don’t have a problem with that.  Our side should be doing a better job of getting our people out.

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    p>I do have a problem with what seems to be the right wing game plan: repeating outlandish claims about the health care legislation as often and loudly as possible.  Play into peoples’ fears of Big Brother.  That  actually gets people believing things that clearly aren’t true.

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    p>It’s that kind of cynical manipulation that keeps people from acting in their own self-interest.

    • Organizing folks around an issue is one thing.  Organizing them to go shout down the opposition is quite another.

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      p>As you say, the flat out lying is disgusting. So is EaBo’s demonizing people who question him as “union thugs.”

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