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LaRouche PAC Behind Nazi Comparisons

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I just left the Tsongas Town Hall and I have video evidence that proves its the LaRouche PAC that’s behind the Obama-Hitler comparisons.  So can we all agree to stop blaming conservatives for it?  Ill post the video this evening.

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  1. This charming photoshop is from the LaRouche PAC “health” page:

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    p>And you can read the lengthy explanation of why Obama=Hitler in this PDF.

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    p>Nonetheless, we haven’t exactly heard a lot of the teabaggers decrying the LaRouchian tactics.  And we have anecdotal evidence that there’s some buy-in from GOoPers.  So don’t go all innocent on us, until you and your friends start actively denouncing what the LaRouchies are up to.

      • Do tell.

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        p>As David points out, we’re still waiting for you to repudiate Rush and your free republic compatriots’ comparison of Democrats to Nazis and Nancy Pelosi to Hitler.

        • I’ve read some LaRouche material and I still haven’t figured out whether he’s a communist or a fascist.  Generally speaking it seems that anything wrong with the world is the fault of the Federal Reserve or the House of Windsor in his view.  His youthful minions come across as borderline cultists.

  2. EBC,
    Did we chat? I was one of the reform supporters. The one wearing the “Desert Storm Veteran” basebal cap?

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    p>Anywho, ya, at that event, it was the LaRouchians that brought the Nazi comparison lit. I have to support you there.

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    p>Sad thing is, the GOPers didn’t shun them. That lit was in a lot of hands. Some tactics should not be encourage. The LaRouchians were emboldened by GOPer indifference, at best, and complicity, at worst.

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    p>PS. The Tsongas event had 300 people in the town hall and maybe, 600 stuck outside. I stayed outside to mix and mingle. The crowd outside was well mixed, though the anti-reformers were louder. Not so much to be unruly. I saw a couple of real hard chargers, but nothing worse than a carnival barker. The crowd was ruly.

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    p>I don’t think anyone changed their mind today, but we heard each other loud and clear.

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    p>PPS. There is another town hall being put together in Hudson. I was told they are changing the venue to be able to accomodate more people.

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    p>Note to organizer: Rent a couple of porta-johns.

    • I was one of hundreds who showed up at the Market Basket Plaza on Chelmsford Road in Chelmsford only to find a piece of paper taped to the store window…that there was a last minute change of venue – which also kept out more than 80% of those who trekked from the Market Basket store to Chelmsford Town Hall.

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      p>Better planning!  Please.  And as for the followers of Lyndon LaRouche – the first amendment leaves room for this kind of crack pottery – unfortunately I have had to deal with it since about 1967 and saw its ugly cult roots and destroyed lives so have no personal patience for this pseudo movement.  

      • I had on Red Mass Group on at least Friday Morning that the location was changed.  The OFA organizers sent out an email on Friday with teh wrong information.  Sorry you didn’t see it on Red Mass Group

        • Given that the Gymnasium, I am told, held only 220 I think I would not have gotten in and am glad I got my grocery shopping done!

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          p>That Chelmsford Market Basket is a very nice store, indeed, and I do not usually make the time to go there.

      • As the editor of the Merrimack Valley Democratic Newsletter I got no fewer than four emails in one morning from readers telling me the location had changed.  The first one I received I forwarded to the listserve.  It wasn’t until later that day that I got the OFAMA email with the old information.  I tried to reply to the message to correct them, but it just goes to info@barackobama.com and it’s possible nobody has even seen it yet.

  3. …and I spoke to someone who turned out to be very conservative (based on the applause and boos he gave).  He said that someone had given him literature about comparing Hitler to Obama, being the wallflower that I am, I said how irrational and perverted it was to compare the President of the United States to a man who killed millions.  The guy said something like,”oh, I didn’t say I agreed with him, but he has a right to say it and I’m keeping an open mind and want to read everything so I can make a decision”.  (That of course was the first sign that he and I weren’t on the same team.)  Yes the subject of the event was health care, and yes anyone has the right to compare the President of the US to Hitler.  

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    p>My point is, any “reasonable” conservative would have avoided taking any material comparing Obama to Hitler so that they can hear “all sides of the argument”?  It just shows how fringe many conservatives are that they actually take material from LaRouchians comparing Obama to Hitler–as a resource to learn about the health care issue.

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    p>At the event I attended, I spoke with people in line and before the event started and many brought up the concern that government would decide when old people would die and that they’d visit our houses every five years to see how our health is and whether we were to expensive to live–just like the Nazi’s, they said.  I heard a variation of those comments from many “mainstream” conservatives at the event.  So there CLEARLY is a stream of consciousness from the conservatives that has created a fantasy scenario that frames Obama’s attempts to fix the problems we have in our health care system with Hiltler.  Wouldn’t you agree Eabo?  

    • This is why people think we should balance evolution and creationism.  This is why people are willing to hear out the Holocaust deniers and the climate change deniers.  I try to be very open minded, but there are some debates that are settled beyond a reasonable doubt.

      • Witness folks complaining they’re being oppressed when people call them on stuff like Nazi comparisons, anti-{gay, black, Jew, Hispanic} comments, etc.

      • There are kooks who said Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened or FDR knew about Pearl Harbor or Ronald Reagan conspired with the ayatollah… we have kooks on any issue.

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        p>An open mind is exactly what is needed these days and Healthcare is a great example. Rather then demonize protestors and criticism of the reform, why not listen to people’s concerns? The authors of the reform bill have taken the stance that “this bill” is just great exactly as it is which may not be true.

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        p>If someone handed me a “birther” handout, a Bush-9/11 piece or a Obama/Hitler piece… I would take them and probaly read them all and then trash them (or show them to others as examples of kooks).

          • I don’t want anyone (especially my brethren) to be spreading lies. Nothing makes me feel more stupid than to blog here about something and then find out from one of you that I was mislead (lied to) and now I sound like an idiot (please resist the urges to jump on that one). BUT… debating the truth is great. Maybe the tough one is debating the “what could be true…” since both sides are guilty of that. I have read many blogs here about what people “think” is going on with Romeny, Bush, Cheney… and some of it turns out to be right… and some wrong.

            • I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt that he did not believe them at first, but later did and at that point commented.

            • You need to have an open mind since you NEVER know what s going to be true and what isn’t. People usually “filter” the rumors based on their biases. I was biased “against” Edwards having the affair and believed it… while others (DEMS and MSM) were of him so never gave the rumor a second thought. The same is true with these “birthers” and any other literature… you might gather at these healthcare rallies… you never know which are true (Edwards) and which as totally BS (Bush with prior knowledge of 9/11).

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              p>So nice try Huh but I would not lie since I have a long history here of being critical of the Edwards story being “ignored” for political reasons.

        • …are you saying that comparing Obama to Hilter is being “open minded”?  Like I said everyone has the right of free speech to say the craziest things, but rational people shouldn’t be “open minded” to kooks.  If someone gave you a flyer on the street saying the world will end tomorrow…will you be “open minded” and considering their views?  As I said, any one who gives the argument that Obama should be compared to Hitler one second of “open minded” consideration is themselves part of a looney fringe that deserves no crediablity as a reasonable person.

          • Like a “leading” Presidential candidate running for office having an affair (and maybe a LOVE CHILD)… crazy! Or that the housing market would collapse and the stock market would tank… CRAAAAAAZY!!! And that AROD took steroids or Roger Clemens took steroids… CRAZY. Or family value candidate Sarah Palin’s daughter was pregnant… WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING!! Shall I go on… Now I could also relist the kooky ones that were NOT true. All I am saying is NONE of knows what is true and what isn’t so we decide on our own.., the American way.

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            p>PS No, I do not believe Obama is Hitler nor do I believe the issue about Obama’s birth cert. I do however believe Obama is ideologically aligned with many far-left socialists be they famous or not and his goals are very different from people so it wouldn’t be crazy for them to amplify their feelings (“George Bush hates black people”) to make a point.

        • Rather then demonize protestors and criticism of the reform, why not listen to people’s concerns?

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          p>The problem is that these folks at the health care town meetings are not shouting concerns.  They’re shouting “boooo1!!!11!!1one!11!!1!juan!” and “Liar!!!1!11!” and “Read teh billz!!221!!1!”.  Their boorish behavior isn’t about expressing concerns or asking questions — it’s about shouting down their elected representative for the sake of being nasty with misplaced anger, confusion, and uncertainty.

  4. outside the Democratic convention. I was trying to suss him out and he came over and started asking me about the evils of health care reform.

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    p>Although the Republican mainstream consistently overflows its right bank, and although the LaRouchies may flow from the same source somewhere upstream, they are decidedly different tributaries.  

  6. I just made this point in the Ernie thread. I will vouch that I saw LaRouche people using the Hitler sign a few weeks ago.

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    p>I always avoid them, but I am tempted to say, “Do you know your leader is a convicted felon?”

    • If you mention he’s a felon I’m sure they’d just come back with something about the government being out to get him.

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