Because if he did, he’d wave off “destination casinos” simply as a political frame (the term polls significantly better than “slots at the racetracks”) and say this debate is about slot machines which make up 80% of casino gambling profits. Then he’d ask why would the state promote slots, which in the words of MIT Professor Natasha Schull, are designed to be so effective at extracting money from people it is “a product that, for all intents and purposes, approaches every player as a potential addict — in other words, someone who won’t stop playing until his or her means are depleted”?
Oakes also knows very little about the central role predatory gambling plays in America’s debt culture because if he did, he would ask why in these difficult economic times is government actively promoting products that encourage people to get into more debt rather than helping them save money, like it did during the Great Depression, so they can accumulate the capital they need to live the real American Dream?
And lastly, Oakes has not considered how predatory gambling squares with America’s core democratic principles because if he did, he’d ask the question how can a country where everyone is considered equal allow its government to actively promote a product that renders some of our fellow citizens as expendable in the name of getting someone else to pay our taxes?
An interview with these questions might add a spike to this week’s WBUR fundraising drive. It would also significantly elevate the public understanding about an issue that defines who we are as a people because it betrays the ideal of the American Promise, a central theme of President Obama’s campaign poignantly captured here:
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gladys-kravitz says
Sen. Murray was using step one in the old expanded gambling playbook. I blogged about this last May, which just happened to mark the beginning of my third year battling an industry which tried to convince me that a Native American casino in my neck of the woods was inevitable (it wasn’t). This is the short version.
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2.) Wave inordinately large amounts of money in front of our most vulnerable citizens – State legislators.
3.) Inflate the numbers.
4.) Employ union “influence”.
5.) Wheel out Prof. Clyde Barrow (still widely believed to be a policy analyst rather than an industry operative) at least once a month to insist our State pockets are being picked by Connecticut casinos.
6.) Blow off all casino opposition as bible thumping bleeding hearts without a clue as to how the big boys balance budgets. Employ copious eye rolling here.
7.) Avoid mentioning any associated costs. Deny them if necessary.
8.) If step 7 is not possible, with a serious face, insist mitigation will contain any conceivable costs.
9.) If discussing costs does become painfully necessary, try to make such cost sound like a benefit (e.g. the beneficial stimulation effect of slot machine noise on otherwise shut-in seniors.)
10.) Remember – it’s not gambling, it’s ‘gaming’ – but more importantly, it’s always just “entertainment.”
11.) When studies are required, leave out those pesky “social costs” by insisting they are too difficult and cumbersome to measure – and therefore don’t exist or are, at a minimum hard to prove. Better yet, imply “social costs” = nothing of great importance to the rest of us.
12.) If these steps fail, return to step 1.
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p>My experience with this issue is that the only thing inevitable about it are the consequences.
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middlebororeview says
Bob Oakes is a competent and capable journalist who falls down in the face of the INEVITABILITY steam-roller or the Senate President’s Ca Ching gesture and pot o’ gold fairy tale.
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p>And OMG! Isn’t that grossly over-stated few hundred million going to go far with the $$$ she’s short?
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p>In fairness, the rest of the media is eating out of the hands of Big Gambling, repeating the party propaganda, too lazy to either consider the non-answers they receive, do their homework — readily available or review the experience of other states or countries.
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p>The best part of the entire charade is the careful orchestration to avoid factual debate of the issues.
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p>Is that why gambling proponents and the media have carefully avoided any of the forums that have been offered?
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p>The more issues I have examined that surround casinos, gambling, racinos and slot parlors, the more horrified I am that anyone would promote this as a state revenue source. But then, Ca Ching will be out off office when the consequences of her endorsement are apparent won’t she?
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p>It’s always easier to pass along stupid decisions to the future and find excuses.
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jimc says
I don’t like her position on this, but it has consistently been her position since Deval unveiled his casino plan two years ago (possibly before then). So I give her some credit for sticking to her guns.
middlebororeview says
in her backyard?
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p>Has Plymouth County been excluded from the legislation?
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p>If we’re being fed media hype about “DESTINATION RESORT CASINOS” can anyone think of a better RESORT location than Nantucket? And the Cape?
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christopher says
The beaches region near the mouth of the Merrimack.
lasthorseman says
Let’s take the last natural beauty of Mass and give it to the hookers,pimps and cokeheads. Brilliant. Low life people just are not into government.
somervilletom says
Do you mean Salisbury, at the Salisbury Beach State Reservation? I can perhaps manage a chuckle about the prospect of giving a thumb in the eye to our neighbor to the north. Maybe folks can pick up a few cases at the nearest rest area on their way to the casino after a vacation in the north country. Or do you mean the Newburyport and Ipswich marshlands — among the most fragile ecosystems of the state? Perhaps you meant Crane’s Beach? Or perhaps Plum Island?
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p>If there’s to be an “inevitable” casino, then let it be in downtown Plymouth — the home of our esteemed Senate President. Let’s take the neighborhood around Spooner Pond, where the new “inevitable” casino can have convenient commuter rail access — it can stimulate sales at the Cordage Park Marketplace Shopping Center.
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p>Let the leaders who are convinced that this terrible idea is so good and necessary volunteer their own neighborhoods.
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p>And yes, I am being sarcastic.
christopher says
Though I’m not familiar enough with the area to suggest an exact location. I just figured that being in an area that already attracts visitors, and yes, close to NH would make it a good location. I do live within the 50 mile radius of this that is often cited. It’s not inevitable and I don’t care if we never get them, but I think I have a pretty clear record of not buying a lot of the premises that opponents suggest. I agree with the Governor that they are “neither panacea nor the end of civilization”.
somervilletom says
I strongly encourage you to do a bit more investigation before encouraging ideas like this.
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p>Of all the places in the state, you’ve identified one of the least suitable and most vulnerable regions. Our coastal fishery is already near collapse, and you propose destroying salt marshes — for a casino?
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p>I hope you’ll reconsider.
christopher says
All I meant was the general area that’s relatively easy to drive to from the beaches. I’m certainly not advocating the negative impacts on the ecosystem that you describe.
somervilletom says
It doesn’t sound like you’ve spend much time in the area you describe.
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p>There aren’t roads to drive on (other than I95) that don’t already impact the ecosystem, you’d have to build more and widen the ones that are there. You’re talking about a huge facility with enormous parking lots, high volumes of automobile traffic in and out — the whole point of the exercise is to attract people from all over New England.
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p>It shouldn’t be built at all, never mind the awful social policy it symbolizes. If it’s going to be built, put it the middle of Plymouth, Milton, or the town where some other outspoken proponent lives.
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christopher says
…that I had personally conducted a thorough feasibility study. I was just throwing out an idea that seemed to make sense from an economic standpoint. Don’t take it as any more than that.
huh says
It’s been suggested to you before.
christopher says
I usually do think to the appropriate extent and try not to come across as flip most of the time. As I recall this part of the thread started by asking if there were other ideas. This is just what popped into my head. I would certainly think harder before filing legislation or even writing a letter to the editor, but in the context of a blog I think I’m well within bounds.
huh says
If you’re going to “just throw things out” you can’t be offended and defensive when people who’ve thought the issue through take umbrage.
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p>It’s like asking the blog instead of google. Sure you’re within bounds, but you’re also not advancing the discussion.
christopher says
I wasn’t offended, just a little surprised by how it was taken.
huh says
What’s up with giving 5s to people you’re arguing with? I’m not a fan of them in general, but as part of a discussion it seems a little, well, condescending.
christopher says
I intend it to signify that I appreciate that the person is articulating a well-reasoned argument that advances the discussion even though I do not agree on the substance.
huh says
thanks.
christopher says
(in the case of the 5 I most recently gave you) I sometimes use it as an acknowledgement that a question was answered or concern addressed, a short-hand and lazy way of saying thank you.
huh says
He was being sarcastic. The question was rhetorical.
huh says
He was being sarcastic. The question was rhetorical.
somervilletom says
It doesn’t take a “thorough feasibility study”, that’s not the point. The point is that you appear to join the proponents in paying far more attention to the economic aspects then to the impact on people of this plan.
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p>It is the social impact we should be paying attention to. The fact that our misguided casino proponents ALWAYS want them somewhere other than their own towns should offer a clue about why they’re a bad idea.
kirth says
At least take a look at what’s there. That is the mouth of the Merrimack. Traffic on the roads in that area on Summer weekends rivals that on the Cape. Putting a casino in that area would be a bad idea.
heartlanddem says
Let’s build casinos in the sky, on solar space ships with no emissions or negative impacts.
huh says
Try googling “casino bankruptcy“.
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middlebororeview says
outsource the entire casino/predatory gambling issue?
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Keeping a poker face on gambling ?
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liveandletlive says
liveandletlive says
You, and all of the other anti-casino/nimby lobbyists. Aren’t you worried about health insurance reform, cuts to education, and other much more pressing issues.
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p>When you’re done stopping a resort casino from coming to the state, you can start addressing the issue of shopping addiction. Let’s fence off everyone’s right to shop
so we can make shopping addiction history.
huh says
Opposing them and their side effects is more than nimbyism.
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p>If all you’ve got as a counter is snide remarks about shopping addiction, you ain’t got nothing.
proudlib says
I get a great laugh out of listening to these Stop Predatory Gambling zealots, especially when their argument is reduced to quoting right-wing evangelical academics like Professor Earl Grinols of Baylor University and Professor John Kindt of the University of Illinois.
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p>Grinols is the founder of the Association of Christian Economists. He believes that economic development — in HIS words — “should be based on biblical interpretation.” He is also a founder of Evangelical Economists for Bush, having been a principal of the group in 2000 and in 2004 when the evangelical group endorsed George W. Bush for president because of Bush’s “substantive economic views and his proposed economic policies.” Huh?
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p>The world has gone crazy when the politically-correct liberals who are anti-gambling zealots are quoting evangelical economists who championed Bush’s disastrous fiscal and economic policies.
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p>The world’s round folks; it isn’t flat. No matter what your evangelical experts tell you!