Both of these candidates bring alot to the table. Both of these candidates also have so much in common, so my personal endorsment for Martha is not because I disagree with Mike’s polictics, but it is more in line with strategy. Mike Capuano holds a very important seat in the House, if he were to win the primary and ultimately win the general election that would leave his district without a liberal voice. The next special election may bring about a more conservative Democrat(Blue Dog),with the 8th district being highly democratic I do not see a Republican or any other party winning his seat, but a blue dog could, which means we didnt lose anything in the Senate but we did lose alittle something in the house. NOW if Martha Coakley wins, Massachusetts keeps our liberal agenda alive in the Senate and we still have a strong Liberal voice in the House. Let me know what BMGer’s think of this strategy
Capuano v Coakley Let me know what BMGer’s think of this strategy
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demredsox says
“Both of these candidates also have so much in common.”
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p>How do we really know this? We know that Capuano supports single-payer, we know that he has been a leader in pushing for an Afghanistan exit strategy, we can see from his track record that he is a true progressive.
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p>Coakley? We know very, very little, and what we do know about her positions, we have to take on faith. Some good stuff in this interview. At 4:04 left, Coakley takes an ambiguous position on Afghanistan. It wasn’t an awful answer, saying we should be “very careful” sending in more troops. In general, I like what I here. I just think that we know, in Michael Capuano, that we will be getting a strong, outspoken progressive leader in the Senate, which we desperately need.
neilsagan says
won’t Martha run for his empty seat in Congress?
hlpeary says
When martha wins, mike will keep his seat and we will have the best of both worlds.
neilsagan says
what will Martha do?
christopher says
…and seek re-election in 2010. It just occured to me though, if she does win in January there is a very narrow window to recruit potential delegates to run at caucus in February for the 2010 nominating conventions. Is there any good gossip out there about who might be quietly laying the groundwork (like Coakley herself did regarding the Senate vacancy) to run for AG next year and thus ready to announce at a moment’s notice?
hlpeary says
n/t
kate says
I’ve been wondering about what is likely to happen at the Convention and the potential of a contested DA’s race. Some people feel that whoever is appointed to fill the vacancy is unlikely to be challenged by a Democrat. Others feel differently.
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p>Since in recent history AGs have come from being Middlesex DA, there is speculation that Gerry Leone would run.
christopher says
The Boston Globe has an article on this. If Leone were to become AG he would be at least the 4th consecutive Middlesex DA to accede to that office.
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ray-m says
Bristol County D.A. Sam Sutter
kbusch says
I thought she liked being Attorney General. Is she even in his district?
david says
She lives in Markey’s district.
pablo says
Mike Capuano came to Arlington tonight – and he talked about who he is and what he believes in. He’s the genuine article.
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p>I met Mike Capuano in 2003, when I went down to Washington to lobby on behalf of Massachusetts school committees. I walked out the door hoping he would run for governor, for here was someone who understood the issues facing local governments, understood the issues of public education.
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p>Most people who end up in the senate don’t have the real world experience that I find to be so critically important for a federal legislator. As a local government person, I know that the Feds can dump lots of pie in the sky ideas and mandates on cities, towns, and school districts. Mike Capuano, former mayor, former school committee chair, gets it.
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p>Why would we turn our back on the real deal, a committed progressive who has been working on our behalf?
hlpeary says
What is the difference between a progressive and a liberal…TK called himself a liberal (proudly)…Capuano calls himself a progressive…I asked someone what the difference was and they said a progressive is someone who doesn’t want to be labeled a liberal but has liberal leanings…the conservatives turned the word “liberal” into a label that “cautious” politicians wanted to run away from, thus “progressive” emerged as a code substitute.
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christopher says
There was a time when I thought of liberals and progressives agreeing on goals with liberals being more ideological and progressives more pragmatic. Then liberals adopted the progressive label rather than push back on attempts to turn liberal into a four-letter-word. Now it seems like progressive connotes an activist movement and liberal as more laid back.
ray-m says
Liberal” denotes a belief in liberty, which, in a broad sense at least, is the philosophical basis of modern Western civilization. “Progressive” denotes a belief in progress as something that is always inevitable and desirable, especially with respect to human nature and the human condition; if history has taught us anything, it is that human nature does not change.
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throbbingpatriot says
“Progressive” is a specific socio-political worldview, whose opposite is “Traditionalist.”
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judy-meredith says
Or as one of my grand daughters would say……Sweet. Been struggling to explain the difference to myself forever.
christopher says
On public policy matters which substantively effect people I think I’m more-or-less progressive. Examples include marriage equality, gun control, reproductive rights, single-payer health coverage, opposition to church-state entanglement, and quality public education. On stylistic things that do not directly harm people I’m more traditional. For example, I have in the past here on BMG defended “hack holidays”, the Governor’s Council, traditional grammar/syntax complete with generic usage of masculine pronouns, and passing references to religion such as “year of our Lord” and “In God We Trust”. I for one do not see these as conflicting.
dhammer says
He was a key player in the foundation of the progressive movement at the end of the 19th century, yet argued against evolution in the Scopes monkey trial?
christopher says
I of course believe in scientific evidence and therefore am very much an evolutionist.
hlpeary says
Disclaimer: I like Mike, but I’m supporting Martha for US Senate. She is the real deal, too, and will work very hard on our behalf.
amberpaw says
So, Pablo, this is one on which we must agree to disagree.
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p>Of course, you labor in the world of schools and school committees – and I am a VERY dissatisfied consumer of public schools whose children had to leave public school for their safety as well as education due to unchecked bullying and discrimination against them due to their issues and challenges.
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p>I labor in the world of courts, checks and balances, and the rule of law where I have come to know and respect Martha Coakley personally. Martha is among those candidates that I know personally fairly well, and have stood-shoulder to shoulder with-on at least one issue and in Martha’s case, more than one issue. She understands law and the courts and what the rule of law is all about, which is important to me.
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p>Do I agree with either Mike or Martha on anything? No, I don’t. But I try and choose candidates based on who I think they are what what I believe they bring to governance. I am no always right, but I don’t do litmus tests to pick candidates.
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p>I want Mike to keep on in the House, and to avoid using attack politics because first, that weakens the Democratic party, and second, I have never done campaign work for someone who runs a negative attack-based campaign.
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p>Let Mike and Martha tell us both who they are, and what they believe and leave the attacks to “Pags” and his tired phony “outsider” campaign and high-priced mercenaries.
amberpaw says
“Do I agree with either Mike or Martha on anything” I meant to write “Do I agree with Mike or Martha on everything” Ooops.
amberpaw says
Negative campaigning is a total turn off for me. No matter which candidate descends into negative campaigning, they lose my support and if nominated later by my party, I don’t have that sense of enthusiasm for their campaign that gets me involved. Bad move.
jasiu says
I can’t make my Senate candidate choice based on what might happen down the line, whether it’s who would get Capuano’s seat, who would be the next AG, or even who would run the Celtics (not that I care, not being a Celtics fan).
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p>This is about who will be the best person to fill a Senate seat for what could be a long, long time. The focus has to be there IMHO.
ray-m says
christopher says
We are almost certain to drop a seat with the next census and Capuano in the Senate gets one out of the way. Even with the 8th being protected by the Voting Rights Act we still have to redraw the lines to include the right number of people. I wouldn’t mind drawing Lynch into a district with Capuano’s (hopefully) progressive successor and forcing a primary there. I’m also leaning Capuano at this point as I feel that when you’re thrown into the Senate midterm it’s good to have someone with experience as a federal legislator. Yes, there are differences between the chambers, but Capuano already has DC contacts and a working knowledge of the process.
jconway says
In response to your original post that losing Mike could lead to a ‘blue dog’ winning the 8th in a special I find that highly doubtful. State Senators in the 8th include Tolman, Galluccio, Jehlen who are all quite progressive. State Reps. include Brownsberger, Wolfe, and Toomey (and probably a few others I forgot) who are all progressive (Toomey only after a primary challenge pushed him left on gay marriage and abortion). County officials include Gerry Leone and Michael Sullivan who are also progressive. Curatone used to be a Republican but is also quite progressive these days. So which blue dogs are you fearful of?
trickle-up says
Cambridge was represented in the state Senate for years by a troglodyte who won reelection because progressive candidates split the primary vote. Capuano won his critical primary election with something like 23 percent of the vote, and he was hardly the most progressive candidate.
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p>Nonetheless, we unfortunately have an electoral system that allows for small-plurality-takes-all winners, and until we fix that the “blue dog” outcome is possible.
dmauer says
An extremely successful Senator is worth a great deal more than an extremely successful Representative. Even if by some bizarre freak of plurality weirdness the 8th (my district) wound up with a Blue Dog, I’d still be willing to trade that for a great fighter in the Senate.
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p>Not sure if I’m going Coakley or Capuano at this point, but losing Capuano in the House definitely won’t figure into my vote.
heartlanddem says
Would someone kindly provide background evidence on the AG’s position(s) on the death penalty?
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jconway says
I remember Martha as DA advocating to restoring the death penalty but I also remember her 06 opponent highlighting his support and her opposition as a reason to vote for him so I am unsure. She also actively opposed Question 2 by campaigning and donating to its misleading opposition, a proposition which made our drug laws a lot more sensible. Lastly she is a foreign policy neophyte who will likely toe the line on Afghanistan rather than challenge the President’s strategy.
hlpeary says
How quickly we forget…Louise Woodward was charged by DA Tom Reilly for the murder of Matthew Eappen. Assistant DA Gerry Leone was the Prosecutor on the case. Martha Coakley, then ADA, was a back-up prosecutor who dealt with the medical testimony and medical witnesses.
neilsagan says
Herald reports on behind the scenes work of the [Coakley Campaign http://www.bostonherald.com/ne…
lightiris says
combined with some of her hard-line stances as a prosecutor (Fells Acre anyone?) are problematic for me.
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p>I’m supporting Capuano unless something major happens. I want someone with his legislative record, his experience, and his fire in the belly for progressive causes in Ted Kennedy’s seat.
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p>Don’t get me wrong, I think Coakley is a fine candidate. I’d rather she run for something else, I guess.
christopher says
I never agreed with her decision to go for murder in the Louise Woodward case. Murder requires intent and I never saw any evidence that she intended to kill Matthew Eppin (sp?). To me it was clearly manslaughter.
david says
It was Tom Reilly’s, IIRC.
christopher says
…is that she played up her role in the case when running for DA. You may well be correct that it was Reilly’s call, but I remember cringing when she brought it up because I very much disagreed with the murder charge.
charley-on-the-mta says
BTW, I find that case one of the most heart-breaking miscarriages of justice imaginable — just a whisker short of the guy wrongly executed for arson in TX. Maybe just as bad.
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p>I had heard that she had something to do with that case, but I wasn’t clear on it. I looked it up and all I saw was a wikipedia entry which seemed pretty vague.
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p>I have to say, I’ve interviewed her twice, and not asked her about Fells Acres. I’m embarrassed that I let that opportunity slip by.
mcrd says
She is no different than the FBI agents that allowed four or five men to be sentenced to life in prison ( where one or more died–effectively an execution) where the entire FBI office in Boston knew they were innocent–and no one lifted a finger or uttered a word. That to me is nonfesance and malfeasance. Believe me–if she gets the nomination—she will wear this albatross around her neck.
somervilletom says
I was in MA when this went down, and with young children in day care at the time.
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p>I am no fan of Martha Coakley, and I fully support the stance she took on the Fells Acre case.
lightiris says
And the handling of the Fells Acre case is an egregious example of prosecutorial misconduct. Suggesting that the Amiraults should have rotted in jail because you heard they ran a crappy daycare center is almost as appalling.
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charley-on-the-mta says
What’s the evidence of that, aside from the obviously fanciful tales that Mr. Amirault was somehow raping kids with knives in a clown suit in a magic room?
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somervilletom says
The Fells Acre case is twenty five years old. It has been exhaustively explored in the media and by an array of special interest groups on all sides. I don’t think further discussion is going to change any minds — those of us who followed the case at the time have come to our own conclusions about it.
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lightiris says
You’re right. It’s probably not going to be a productive dialogue on this blog, but I can tell you this: more than a dozen people at my town committee meeting this past weekend cited the Fells Acre Day Care issue as a compelling factor in ruling out Coakley. Indeed, the person who came to the meeting to specifically champion Coakley’s candidacy got an earful.
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somervilletom says
I suggest we compare Martha Coakley’s handling of Fells Acre, where she did act aggressively (to the dismay of one group and the applause of another) to Tom Reilly’s handling of the sex abuse cover-up, where he did not act aggressively (again to the dismay of one group and the applause of another).
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liveandletlive says
to rehash a miscarriage of justice.
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p>Out of respect for the people who have spent a good part of their lives in jail for no reason, we can get a little inflamed for their sake. Or how about the innocent people who have been put to death. These cases should be discussed over and over, in order to insure that it does not happen again.
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somervilletom says
Martha Coakley’s current behavior than about her peripheral role in the Fell’s Acre case.
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p>I am well aware of the horror of innocent men and women being convicted, punished, and even executed for crimes they did not convict. As horrific as those realities are, in my view they are not relevant to this campaign.
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lightiris says
seems to coincide with my memory of the case and her behavior around it.
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lightiris says
There’s plenty of information, good information, out there to give people a clear picture of Coakley’s behavior around the Amirault case. People who are inclined to view her as a suitable candidate for the United States Senate should really spend some time with her prosecutorial record in this matter.
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somervilletom says
The link you cited was from “Dan Weaver”. From his bio, on the same site:
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charley-on-the-mta says
That’s why I put in the qualifier. However, there’s a factual claim that the parole board voted 5-0 to pardon Amirault. Either that happened or it didn’t.
somervilletom says
You’ve compared Ms. Coakley to Texas prosecutors who executed an innocent man, regarding a case that you’ve acknowledged your own unfamiliarity with, and quoting from a blog posting of a source that is dubious at best.
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lightiris says
working for the Department of Correction than I, but in my experience, a 5-0 parole board is rarely challenged by the Commonwealth. Coakley’s efforts to oppose the parole board is, indeed, rather extraordinary, especially in cases where the inmate’s behavior is exemplary and where there are serious post-conviction concerns in relation to time served.
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charley-on-the-mta says
Actually, a “solid Google search” is proving a bit more difficult. Two problems: Older newspaper articles are behind firewalls; and other recountings tend not to be from neutral, “reliable” sources.
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sabutai says
“Don’t get me wrong, I think Coakley is a fine candidate. I’d rather she run for something else, I guess.”
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pablo says
It is an inane strategy to say to Capuano, or anyone else, that you have done too good a job so we won’t promote you. Never mind that you have a solid progressive record, never mind you have been in Congress for a dozen years, never mind you have taken the tough votes on the right side of the issue. We’ll let someone else get the plum job, you are just too good to promote.
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christopher says
There actually is no salary difference as members of both chambers make 174K. The Senate has been considered the “upper house” since the beginning and like many other “upper houses” around the world it is smaller and less representative than the “lower house”. Members also represent entire states as most representatives do not and have executive functions such as advice and consent on nominations and ratification prerogatives for treaties which the House doesn’t have.
pablo says
How many people give up a Senate seat to run for the House?
QED
christopher says
Though I think that might have been more common in our earlier history.
neilsagan says
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p>We were discussing one individual and his (or her) view of themselves as ‘moving up’.. And, merit or no, that has little bearing on why somebody else might, or might not, get elected. In the present instance, Capuano is acknowledged to be performing at or above the grade of ‘excellent’ by his constituents. It might merely be a fear to say a larger canvas might prevent him from painting so acutely, and a wish not to lose that. This remains to be seen. It might simply be that, in a sea of worthy candidates, voters are performing a delicate calculus that provides optimum movement in the progressive direction while trying to maximize stability and/or to prevent the loss of whatever toehold we have now. If nothing else, it may be a form of rationalization whereby a silver lining is extracted from the cloud of an expected, or simply perceived, defeat. You do have to live with yourself, after the vote.
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p>I also threw in the conjugate ‘flip-side’ in the form of the district whom, it is fair to say, might find themselves, overall, with representation of a lesser quality. This, as I have been at pains to point out, might not, to them, qualify as a ‘promotion’.
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p>None of this speaks to reasons either for or against other candidates. Each has there own rationale, perhaps overlapping in some areas with Capuano. But to say, as the original comment inferred, that Capuano is the most deserving of ‘promotion’ and therefore the only sane choice is, frankly, illogical.
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p>While that may be one expression of entitlement, to be sure, there’s no rule-book suggesting that to be the only form of entitlement. I might feel myself deserving of any number of things for which I am still required to ask.