ADL Coordinated Testimony
Michael Sheetz, the Vice-Chair of the ADL regional board, described the ADL bill, H. 483 as the most comprehensive of the 11 under consideration. He noted that Massachusetts lags behind in efforts to fight bullying; 38 other states, including North Carolina and Alabama, already have laws in place. He advocated that the bill be amended to add into the definition enumerated categories, differentiating characteristics such as race, religion, sexual orientation, and gender identity, which influence bullies’ selection of targets. Asked why enumeration was warranted, Sheetz said that bullying related to sexual orientation and gender identity is not treated as seriously otherwise. Chairman Walz requested proposed amendment language to add in enumerated categories. (GLAD has developed an amendment which has the support of the advocacy organizations participating in the lobbying effort.)
The most moving testimony of the day came from a panel of three parents of bullied children. First to testify was Theresa Jackson, the mother of an autistic boy from Sandwich. 12 years old at the time, the boy went to a school dance and “had the time of his life.” Another student videotaped his unusual dance movements and posted the video on You Tube, triggering abusive comments online and taunting from classmates at school. The boy was devastated because he could not understand why someone would do that to him. Ms. Jackson choked up early in her testimony, and I teared up too. She described the insensitive reaction of school administrators. One teacher told the boy to “suck it up.” The boy wound up transferring to a different school and remains terrified of going to another school dance. Ms. Jackson had the committee riveted as she spoke.
Sirdeaner Walker of Springfield testified about the suicide of her 11-year-old son Carl Walker-Hoover earlier this year. He was repeatedly taunted as being “gay” and for “dressing like a girl.” Ms. Walker complained to school employees, but nothing was done to make the bullying stop. She was told that bullying was “ordinary social interaction” and that Carl and his tormentors would be friends by seventh grade. She described being at home one evening, cooking supper for her 4 children and thinking that Carl was doing homework in his room. When she went to his room, she discovered his body hanging by an electrical cord, an image which continues to haunt her. She has since teamed up with GLSEN to promote awareness of harassment triggered by sexual orientation and gender identity prejudice.
The third parent, Dr. Robin D’Antona, lost her child to suicide brought on by remorseless bullying in 1993. Since then, she has dedicated her life to anti-bullying education, and is a certified trainer in the Olweus anti-bullying method. She noted that there is an established positive correlation between effective bullying prevention and student academic achievement. She had three basic points to get across: bullying is pervasive, controllable, and affects everyone. A legislator asked if the law should cover charter schools, such as the one Carl Walker-Hoover attended. Responding, Chairman Walz said whatever bill comes out of committee will apply to charter schools. Chairman Walz was understated when she described the parents’ testimony as “extremely powerful.”
The next panel included 4 students, including 2 from the Rashi School in Newton. The most interesting witness was an admitted former bully. The Rashi School has a robust and effective anti-bullying program, and the student was actively counseled and assigned to do a research project on the effects of bullying on its target. He said he developed compassion and empathy for his targets, something he had not felt before, and that prompted a change in his behavior. A female student said she had been insensitive and practiced social exclusion, until a school awareness campaign led her to rethink her behavior. Emily Dale of Swampscott related the torment she went through when she started 8th grade. She was taunted for wearing glasses and being Jewish. When she reported the bullying, the bully was mildly disciplined, but things got worse as the bully’s friends ganged up on her. The school did nothing to protect her from retaliation. Emily had an episode where she destroyed all of her personal items in her bedroom, then retreated to her closet to cry. She said she gained the courage to carry on when her mother came to her and extended a hand. She’s now in a private school. Finally, Brigitte Berman, the teenaged author of Dorie Witt’s Guide to Standing Up to Bullies spoke about her harrowing experiences and how she developed strategies for standing up for herself.
A panel of experts followed. Dr. Elizabeth Englander, head of the Massachusetts Aggression Reduction Center (“MARC”) at Bridgewater State College, delivered 11 pages of comments from the parents of targets of bullying. She described the role of MARC, which offers free bullying prevention programming and training for Massachusetts schools. She said there was a need for the state to define minimum standards to give schools uniform guidance in addressing the problem. Professor Jack Levin of Northeastern University stressed the long-lasting effects of bullying. He recounted a conversation he had with a former target in her 40’s, who is so debilitated by childhood bullying that she is unable to hold a job or form intimate relationships. He also noted that targets can lash out in horrific violence. He spoke of the Virginia Tech gunman who killed 32 people. He had a history of being bullied that stretched back to his Middle School days, and was never offered “a helping hand.” Heidi McCoy, a graduate student studying at Bridgewater State under Dr. Englander also spoke, offering statistical information.
Testimony of Right Wing Groups
Two organizations which have fiercely opposed LGBT rights in Massachusetts, Mass. Resistance and the Mass. Family Institute, offered cautionary testimony, but did not flatly oppose legislation. Brian Camenker of Mass. Resistance voiced his suspicion that anti-bullying legislation was a “homosexual activist cause.” He argued that “special interest groups” were behind the legislative push, and pointed to the overflow crowd as evidence of their machinations. He said the bill represented an “agenda.” He contended that H. 483 was overly comprehensive and “way overdone.” In his somewhat desultory remarks, he also protested the characterization of Mass Resistance as a “hate group,” which he insisted is not true. (The Southern Poverty Law Center includes them as a “hate group” in its authoritative listing.)
Camenker drew pointed questions from the committee, particularly H.483 sponsor Rep. John Rogers. He had to admit that he supported the provision for parental notification when children are bullied. He said the way to deal with bullies was “to read them the riot act.”. He admitted that bullying is often triggered by perceptions of the target’s status. As he put it, “kids act weird” and that causes bullying. Put on the spot by Rep. Allen McCarthy, he said some legislative action was necessary.
Sally Knowlton expressed her concern that anti-bullying education was twisted to support homosexuality. She said that bullying prevention conveys a message that “gay is good” and that message needed to be stopped. She cited an incident in Washington state where a nine-year-old boy was praised by a teacher for saying he didn’t like it when kids called other kids “gay” as though that were a bad thing. She asserted that being gay is not good; it leads to sickness and death; and no one is born “that way.”
Evelyn Reilly of the Mass. Family Institute, which espouses more a “moderate” brand of homophobia than does Mass. Resistance, conceded that something needed to be done. She said the bills before the legislative were well-intended but had some problems. For example, she opposes provisions calling for anti-bullying education to be woven into general school curriculum subjects. She also saw no need to address issues of discriminati
on. She supported a stripped-down version.
Other supportive testimony
Although I will not recount the testimony in the interest of brevity, other important stakeholders spoke in support of H. 483 at the request of the ADL. These witnesses included Asst. Attorney General Maura Healy, the head of the Civil Rights Division in the Office of the Attorney General; Canton Police Chief Ken Berkowitz who testified on behalf of the Mass. Chiefs of Police Association; Julie Johnson, who testified on behalf of the Mass. Teachers Association; the principal of Sharon High School (the only school administrator to speak); Sheila Decter of the Jewish Alliance for Law and Social Action; Attorney Sam Bickett of GLAD; Lisa Perry-Wood, Executive Director of the Mass. Commission on LGBT Youth; Co-Chair Jeff Stone of the Greater Boston Civil Rights Coalition; and Co-Chair Arline Isaacson of the MGLPC.
Some of the most powerful testimony came from members of the public who had not been recruited to appear and speak. John Kuyper of Roxbury introduced himself as a survivor of bullying for being gay in the 1950’s. He said his experience was like “Peyton Place meets Lord of the Flies.” He described being taunted as a “crybaby” and noted that his fundamentalist minister father offered no support. He said LGBT victims suffer alone. 50 years later, he said the wounds of his adolescent experience are still there, and that the sense of anger never leaves.
Kathleen Godbaut of Weymouth delivered a petition signed by 200 students at Weymouth High School calling for legislative action. The petition was prompted by the suicide of Carl Walker Hoover. David Laird testified as the father of 4 children, the oldest of whom is in fourth grade. He described his son’s torment and his daily protestations that he didn’t want to go to school. He said he had gone to school officials, who lacked understanding of how to take effective action. He said they needed guidance and help. John Graham, a nonagenarian who said he had been neither a bully nor a target, was moved to appear after reading a newspaper headline about the bullying of autistic students. Hard of hearing, Mr. Graham loudly decried the delay in action on anti-bullying legislation. He said the effects of bullying last a long time. He felt that bullying should be treated as a mental defect and a crime. Targets of bullying should not have the burden of solving the problem themselves yet schools turn a blind eye. Finally, a Quincy resident who has been a firefighter in Waltham for over 20 years quietly conveyed his pain as the father of a transgender son who died of a drug overdose earlier this year, after years of being bullied.
Conclusion
Only the House members of the Ed Committee attended the hearing, since the Senate was in session at the time debating a larger education reform bill. Nevertheless, the Senate members of the committee are seen as generally supportive already, while the opportunity to educate the House members was especially valuable. Committee members stayed throughout the 3-hour hearing and paid careful attention to the testimony. The impression I gathered from Chairman Walz was that the committee views the issue as one demanding action after years of delay. The committee is likely to combine the pending bills into a single version to report to the full legislature, and was open to suggestions for improving the final product. All in all, the presentation was well-coordinated, thorough, and deeply moving, but not too lengthy or repetitive. I was misty-eyed for much of the hearing, but then I’m a survivor of bullying myself and related to the testimony on a very personal level.
bean-in-the-burbs says
I would have liked to attend this hearing but had to be out of town on business this week. Anti-bullying legislation is long overdue. I hope the lege will get a good bill, with enumeration, through.
liveandletlive says
It is about time bullying was taken seriously. Bullying prevention could potentially increase graduation rates too.
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bean-in-the-burbs says
To be essential if glbt kids are to be protected. Here’s a link.
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liveandletlive says
My only concern with enumeration is that it will leave out
important categories. Bullies attack physical appearance too — obesity, acne, disability, lazy eye. A bully can decide to focus on a small insignificant difference a child might have, something so ridiculous, like their father is a trash collector, and turn that childs daily existence into a nightmare.
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lightiris says
Elizabeth Englander, who is head of Bridgewater’s MARC, is terrific on this stuff. She provided some professional development for our district earlier this year that was insightful and helpful.
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tudor586 says
The ADL has put forward a bill that is science-based, with proven bullying prevention measures. Heaven forbid the legislature should try to come up with something without the input of advocates and experts.
sabutai says
There does need to be an in-depth effort to combat bullying in schools (I say this as an elementary school bully, middle school victim). There are many, many decent curriculums and approaches out there (First Amendment, Community of Caring, etc.). What it takes for such a curriculum to work, however, is district-wide commitment. Such is rare. As soon as a new superintendent and/or principal comes in, s/he often throws out all the old stuff, whereas it takes a long time for a new approach to bear fruit in a school system. Too often administrators will say “we’ve been doing this for two years, and nothing’s changed. Throw it out”. I would love to see the DESE develop a list of 10-12 developed school culture/anti-bullying curriculums replete with training and support, with a mandate that schools adopt and commit to one for at least a 6-year period before evaluating its effect.
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christopher says
…legislative action is needed to force educators to act, or in some cases to give educators a spine and permission to act.
sabutai says
I would say that legislative action is sometimes needed to force educators and administrators to act….
christopher says
Assuming by “administrators” you mean principals and superintendents I guess in my mind I put administrators and teachers in the broader category of educators. I certainly meant all levels of authority in a school setting.
tudor586 says
The consequences of unchecked bullying extend beyond the realm of education. Bullying is a public health and public safety concern as well. If educators were competent to prevent bullying and stop it when it happens, left to their own devices, Carl Walker-Hoover would still be alive, as might the victims of the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres. Educators clearly need help and standards of accountability.
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tudor586 says
The explanation as to why is not in English.
tudor586 says
H.483 addresses harassment, intimidation, bullying, or cyberbullying in any public educational institution,
During any education program or activity; or
While in school, on or immediately adjacent to school equipment or property, in school vehicles, on school buses, at designated school bus stops, at school-sponsored activities, at school-sanctioned events; or
Through the use of data, telephone or computer software that is accessed through a computer, computer system, or computer network of any public educational institution.
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p>Bullying defined as any written, electronic, or verbal communication, or physical act or gesture that, under the circumstances:
Places a student in actual and reasonable fear of harm to his or her person or damage to his or her property, or
Is sufficiently severe or pervasive that it creates a disruptive, abusive, or hostile school environment and interferes with or impairs a student’s academic performance, or ability to learn or to participate in or benefit from services, activities, or privileges that are being offered through the school district.
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Race,
Color,
Religion,
Ancestry,
National Origin,
Sex,
Socioeconomic Status,
Academic Status,
Gender Identity Or Expression,
Physical Appearance,
Sexual Orientation, or
Mental, Physical, Developmental, Or Sensory Disability,
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p>School districts required to adopt policies crafted with participation by all stakeholders and providing for
Anti-bullying awareness-raising
Designation of point person for policy implementation
Required reporting by school staff when they learn about bullying behavior
Anonymous reporting by targets and safeguards against retaliation
Documentation
Thorough investigation
Consequences and appropriate remedial action for bullying
Reporting of cases and outcomes to the Dept of Elementary & Secondary Education
Coordination with law enforcement
Training for all school employees and volunteer staff
Annual surveys of incidence of bullying
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Develop a model district anti-bullying policy
Periodically review school district programs and activities to ensure compliance with law
Compile list of proven anti-bullying resources
Develop guidelines for district reporting of cases of bullying
Establish repository for collection and analysis of reports and data on bullying
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lightiris says
Eductors have never been tasked with solving the problem.
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tudor586 says
The points you make illustrate why legislation is necessary, something teachers understand quite well.
lightiris says
First, if you’re going to claim that I and my colleagues have “failed,” you better be prepared to back that up. You completely ignored the reality I, as a boots-on-the-ground teacher provided you and substituted your own because that suits your simplistic view of this problem. Well, that just doesn’t work in the real world. I’ll say it again in case you missed it the first time:
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tudor586 says
You make categorical assertions as though they were fact, although they appear to me subjective. In any case, school administrators have authority and responsibility to stop bullying but have not done so in instances where problems have been brought to their attention. That was the overriding take-away from the hearing on Tuesday. Representative Cabral wants to penalize teachers who don’t take initiative to report bullying to administrators. (That’s not in H. 483.)
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tudor586 says
The Patrick Administration released a best practices guide to bullying prevention/intervention in April 2008: http://www.mass.gov/Eeohhs2/do… I know that the charter school in Springfield which Carl Walker-Hoover attended did something that the Guide specifically said shouldn’t be done because it was too risky for targets.
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teachers who were aware, or even contacted by parents, and did nothing to intervene.
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lightiris says
bean-in-the-burbs says
Is that so much bullying does occur in schools.
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lightiris says
ratings on my comments. If you continue to rate my responses as “worthless” and then respond, I’ll continue to downrate yours.
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bean-in-the-burbs says
If they are disrespectful in tone and/language to others commenting in the thread. Profanity and attacks on others are unnecessary. For example, your comments like this one to Tudor586 above.
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lightiris says
And these things are said regularly, by me and Sab and others, on a daily basis. But the problem is deeper and more complex than a passing admonishment.
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bean-in-the-burbs says
Changing culture is extremely difficult. Even one adult who intervenes, however, can make a big difference for a targeted kid.
mplo says
I think that teachers, too, have to be held accountable, since so many of them conveniently sit back and ignore bullying when it’s taking place, whether it’s physical or verbal or psychological.
sabutai says
So if Student A is sitting at home, cyber-bullying student B in chatrooms and Facebook, how is it that “educators” have “failed to solve the problem”? I’m all for using schools to supplement the idea of character education, the setting of positive community values, and fostering students’ respect of others, but I hope nobody is pushing this law in order to find a way to blame and fire educators as a consequence for what their students choose to do outside of school.
bean-in-the-burbs says
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sabutai says
Actually, much of our counseling results from friends who had a fight on Saturday night, phone calls gone bad, online harassment. If you’re advocating that schools should discipline students for actions conducted entirely outside the school, what you’re advocating is granting school administrators police powers. Schools have no legal right or basis for disciplining students for actions taken outside the school — that’s parenting. We can call parents and inform them of the situation, but even that is on legally shaky ground. Like LightIris, I’ve seen so many good ideas go bad once in the grips of the politicians, and I easily foresee schools being punished in situations like this, even if they have no power or ability to prevent them.
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bean-in-the-burbs says
and seeks to engage school districts in developing programs to combat it. In all seriousness, what do you disagree with from this language from the proposed law?
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sabutai says
…and it is quite the read. The law is rather different that what’s being presented here, I’m learning.
bean-in-the-burbs says
I don’t see that it’s rather different than what has been presented here, at all.
lightiris says
The “tip” is huge. Kids will come and tell us when something is going to happen. I can’t tell you how many fights and otherwise bad things have been averted because kids come and tell school administration or teachers what they’ve heard, and we, in turn, tip the police. Indeed, last year a boy called our principal at home at 9:30 at night because he’d heard a kid was going to bring a knife to school to do something bad. We were ready the next morning, intercepted the kid getting off the bus, and sure enough. Bad thing averted.
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if the bullying is occuring from home.
neilsagan says
I spent some time last Spring at a well to do public high school in the Commonwealth. Two of the boys had a long standing bully and bullied relationship but I had no idea, being new. When it came to a head, I intervened and followed up with conversations about what was expected (set the limits), broached the subject of bullying and being bullied without assigning blame, and discussed consequences with my supervisor and one of the parents who was not pleased with my plan. Both kids need adult supervision to help them put their dysfunctional behavior behind them and mature but it’s not clear what resources exist that would want to tackle it and whether the parents would be pleased if that happened.
sabutai says
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p>First of all, I’ve never been in a public school that doesn’t have all this going, aside from the requirement to report to the state. Is there one?
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p>Thirdly, nothing in this law would have prevented any of the bullying cases mentioned in the testimony. Schools abound with discrimination, anti-hazing, mission statement, and other policies. They are printed in the handbook, shown on the first day of staff development. Some schools focus a few hour of professional development on one of them (the rest is consecrated to standardized testing analysis and prep). I would be unsurprised to learn that if the schools weren’t prevented by confidentiality from giving their side of these incidents, that reporting and discipline were done. I’m not saying that such cases were dealt with adequately, but I am saying that I’d wager heavy money that in the school files for at least 2/3 of these cases, paperwork exists that would have fulfilled the requirements of this law.
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p>Fourthly and most importantly, nothing in this law will prevent bullying in the future. Policies are paper tigers, and so is reporting. As said earlier, almost every school already meets all these requirements. What is missing is leadership from the state to make this a core part of a school’s mission, with restructured demands on how schools expend their resources, prioritizing guidance and training on these issues in specific techniques and programs to change this environment. Without those elements, nothing is truly going to change.
lightiris says
You are absolutely right, and any professional educator on this site who happens upon this thread knows it.
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hubspoke says
lightiris and sabutai, you are stunningly vociferous in your hostility to this bill. Is it because, as educators, you resent the very idea that members of the great, unwashed, non-educator segment of society could have the temerity to take action on bullying that occurs in schools?
I’m as skeptical as anyone about politicians, but this is beyond the pale. One would think, going by these quotes from lightiris and sabutai, that a politician can Never Ever do anything right, and certainly not an anti-bullying bill. But as Mandy Patinkin told Andre the Giant in The Princess Bride, “You know, Fezzik, you finally did something right.” And occasionally our elected officials actually do things right.
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p>If you would put 10% of the effort that you have devoted to expressing your antipathy in this post toward an anti-bullying bill into directly fighting bullying, you could find a permanent cure for bullying – and cancer, war and economic recession. I’m sure of it.
sabutai says
I’d love it if non-educators did something about bullying in schools. That way there’d be…less bullying in schools. This is an okay start, I suppose. Maybe next year they can pass something that will actually do some good. Hostile to the bill? I’m no more hostile to this bill than I am to a bill declaring October National Honey Ham Month…because they’ll have equal effects on the education Massachusetts students don’t receive. For what it’s worth, my antipathy is because this bill doesn’t go far enough.
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p>I am sorry you’ve chosen such a carefully selective reading of my comments. Some of the politicians that I have repeatedly mentioned get things right on education — in debates, campaign ads, materials, and proposed bills — include Mark Begich, Ed O’Reilly, Bill Richardson, and Mike Capuano over the years. I’ve given examples here and elsewhere, but I guess they don’t count. Do I think the foundational document of public education — No Child Left Behind — passed at the behest of George W Bush is an abomination? Yes I do.
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p>But I guess it’s easier to dismiss anyone else as cynical, rather than consider there may be problems out there that would foster such cynicism. Make it someone else’s problem.
sabutai says
For ease of use, allow me to anticipate the “prove it” rejoinder with links to me earlier writing praising non-educators such as: non-educator scientists with actual data, Capuano, Senator Begich, Governor Richardson.
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p>Let me point anyone gearing up to accuse me of just tearing others down without offering solutions here, and point out LightIris’s ideas here.
bean-in-the-burbs says
“Here’s what could be added to this bill to make it better.”
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p>If they were, perhaps your stance would be less likely to be misunderstood.
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p>I’d be happy to get this bill, as long as enumeration is added. The research linked above says 160,000 kids stay home from school every day because they don’t feel safe at school. Let’s start somewhere to deal with that problem.
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bean-in-the-burbs says
can have a view of what goes on in schools.
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p>What goes on in schools isn’t a big mystery. Almost everyone in our society has over a decade of direct experience with our school systems – we’ve been there.
sabutai says
That’s a pretty unfair shot from you in the wake of the convention. I stood with you and worked with you because I supported your ideas about what happens in public schools. Got signatures, and was ready to speak on your behalf at the convention if needed.
bean-in-the-burbs says
The comments about professional educators that I was responding to were LightIris’s.
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p>And your support at Convention was much appreciated. I sure as heck was scared to speak in front of that many people.
sabutai says
Passions run high. I’d probably be better off staying away from education threads. You know I ‘spect what you and “LynPB” do.
tudor586 says
Administrators and teachers aren’t the only ones with relevant information to contribute, although their buy-in is critical and something the law is needed to facilitate. Perhaps because I was a target myself, my heart goes out to the kid who’s being ridiculed and knocked about, often out of sight of the adults in the school building. How do we help him or her? We also need to divert bullies from a path where they resort to physical force to get what they want and gain prestige. A huge number of bullies go on to commit domestic violence and crimes generally.
sabutai says
This is the key:
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p>This bill is a nice first step in dragging any antediluvian districts into the 21st century on this issue. I just hope the next bill will smartly do more for these victims.
lightiris says
Guess that makes you a cardiologist?
tudor586 says
lightiris says
Experience is not expertise. Like cardiologists, educators are trained professionals. Having an education and a beating heart does not make one an expert in either; they simply confirm humanity. Thank you.
bean-in-the-burbs says
To have expertise on this issue. Educators see the schools from one vantage, parents from another, kids from a third. Those who have experienced school bullying, and were not helped by administrators and educators, have every bit as valid a perspective – I would be inclined to say a somewhat more valid perspective – as school professionals.
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p>I would think good teachers would welcome hearing from those who have experienced bullying about what they think needs to change to help others who are being bullied today.
mplo says
when I went to high school in the mid to late 1960’s, due to reasons that’re too complicated to disclose, I can attest that it was no fun, even though none of the bullying that I experienced was physical in nature at all. Psychological and verbal bullying hurts just about as much as physical bullying undoubtedly does.
To get to the subject at hand, I believe that teachers, parents and administrators should be observant of any bullying or teasing that goes on, particularly towards kids who seem different in any way or form, and make more effort to help kids who’re being targeted, as well as disciplining bullies.
dcsurfer says
teachers, in my experience, are often the cruelest bullies of all, secure in their position of power and eager to retaliate and put kids they don’t like down. You sure you’re a teacher? You sound like a thirteen year old.