A very impressive win. Here are the numbers — 100% reporting.
Coakley: 47% (309,943)
Capuano: 28% (184,715)
Khazei: 13% (88,886)
Pagliuca: 12% (80,166)
The total of those votes is 663,710, maybe a tad higher than predicted, but still I think only about 16%.
Congratulations to the other candidates for a fine campaign. We’re of course pleased that our endorsee managed to crawl his way out of the single digits, where most polling had him, and land in a respectable third place despite being outspent several times over by the fourth place finisher.
And so, to those of you who were not Coakley supporters in the primary: take a day to lick your wounds, but after that, we should all of course unite behind Martha Coakley to be our next U.S. Senator. We at BMG are pleased and proud to do so.
GO MARTHA!!
I’d like to submit a number of questions to Martha about her positions on civil and Constitutional rights, specifically issues arising out of actual events in our nation over the last nine years relating to the suspension of habeas corpus, indefinite detention, surveillance of American citizens without warrant or FISA court authorization, national security letters, sneak and peak provision, using Patriot Act authorities to investigate domestic crime like drug dealing and possessing child pornography, the obligations of the justice Department to follow the evidence where it leads in the torture of US prisoners in military, CIA and contractor custody. Who wants to help?
I was appalled at the abuses of the Bush administration and the continuation of many of them by our current president. One of my concerns about Ms. Coakley has been her apparent lax oversight over the rights of the accused. I say apparent, I’m willing to entertain an opposing reasoned opinion about that.
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p>Discussion of the issues you listed is especially important in the light of Ms. Coakley’s stated wish to be on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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p>Asking her about these issues would draw needed attention to them. The public does not seem to understand how the abuses you mention actually make us less safe.
Go Scott Brown!
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p>For those truly interested in Coakley’s views on these issues, I again suggest the following, comprehensive position paper:
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Questioning the candidates views does not amount to supporting her opponent…and so saying “Apparently you mean Go Scott Brown!” is at best off-hand, at worst totally ignorant.
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p>Martha has to earn my vote and I bet there are a lot of Capuano supporters who feel that way. Your divisive crack certainly doen’t help your candidate win anyone over. That said, I don’t hold Martha accountable for your flip quip.
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p>You have offered Martha’s white paper on HOMELAND SECURITY before and I have commented before that while it does have a small section on civil rights they don’t address the issues I’ve mentioned.
do a 180 on her position on a second stimulus. Waiting and studying the issue is close to the worst thing we could do right now.
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…is thin on the topic of civil liberties. It makes many references to work Coakley did as AG to provide funding and training to law enforcement organizations and how she would provide same as a senator. Proper funding and training for law enforcement, balanced against other needs of the country, is fine with me.
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Which privacy rights and civil liberties does she consider important? What does she think of the government conducting searches without a warrant? I can’t tell from reading this.
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I suggest anyone interested in these issues, see the ACLU Questionnaire covering what they see has the leading threats to civil liberties, which is posted online here:
http://www.aclum.org/election/
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No “thanks”.
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You need to work on your reading comprehension if you think this is the assessment we are making. You’re barking up the wrong tree. Find another tree.
.. what is your point? You keep saying “the candidate must answer the questions.” Meaning, it seems, reply to every possible attack on her record that her primary opponents could dream up. Yet, all I hear is sour grapes from a former Capuano supporter. That an obsession with Fells Acre.
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What an incredibly rude response to a civil and rather helpful comment. Have you even looked at the ACLU questionnaire? I have – it is pretty useful, and it does touch on some of the topics you mention. As for habeas corpus, how much do you actually know about it? I know a fair amount, and I can tell you that it’s an incredibly complicated area of the law. No one is simply “for” or “against” habeas corpus. The Alabama brief addressed one tiny corner of the vast universe of issues surrounding habeas.
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From my point of view Coakley has to earn my vote by answering questions about civil and Constitutional rights. I have questions about her views about the balance she would strike between government authority and civil rights. I have found her that the answers she provided in her Homeland Security Whitepaper, GreylockNews.com questionaire, and ACLU questionaire provide an incomplete picture. I think the best way to approach the questions is with actual issues Senators and the executive branch faced over the last eight years that relate to civil rights and government authority.
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On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush signed a law (called the Military Commissions Act of 2006) suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons “determined by the United States” to be an “enemy combatant” in the “Global War on Terror.”
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It’s like he did some sort of Vulcan mindmeld with JohnD and BeanintheBurbs.
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nothing better to do than gripe about mw. I give David and theloquaciousliberal credit for being constructive. You, on the other hand, not so much.
It puts Coakley on the record in a broad sense about the issues listed.
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If we’re going to do the hard work of framing a variety of questions on the topics you mention, we need to figure out how to ask them so that we can gauge her level of committment as well as how she would balance those intersts against competing interests. Have you seen this Q&A yet?
I finally got around to reading.
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..of what Congress could and should do about political influence and corruption in the Justice Department. Some the US Attourneys who were not fired by Bush engaged in what were very likely politically motivated activities.
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All things considered, it was a fairly cordial primary. Not pristine, but fairly cordial.
one more ceiling smashed another to go on Jan. 19th…it’s time…and we are all in the same boat now!
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Hugely disappointed neither of my top choices won (Khazei, Capuano, in that order) but as quickly as possible will make myself ready to pursue the common good for America: utterly crushing the extreme, right-wing Republican agenda in the next election.
Who will deny healthcare to the entire populace if she doesn’t get her way?
GO SCOTT BROWN!
Call her names, that’ll stop her from being elected.
Scott Brown is not extreme by any definition. I stand by my previous statement.
Now there is a campaign motto.
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I will stand with and unhesitatingly vote for Martha Coakley for U.S. Senate along with, I am guessing, 66 percent of the Mass. electorate on January 19. But enjoy your time, billxi, volunteering for Scott in the wind, snow, sleet, and freezing rain while you make a worthy effort to build a new foundation for the post-Romney Massachusetts Republican Party. The citizens of Massachusetts would indeed benefit if a vigorous Brown Senate campaign signaled the rebirth and revival of the dormant, uncompetitive, and unintentionally hilarious Massachusetts GOP.
especially if you plan to ever run for office on the platform of family values.
Ever win a courtroom case? I best remember her whining about the Woodward case “ABORTION FOR ALL OR HEALTHCARE FOR NONE!” Now there’s a campaign motto. Good Weyrich quote.
to see if the conservative wing of the Republican Party Scazzofava’s Scott Brown for being moderate on abortion rights.
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Public Option
Cap and Trade greenhouse gas
Gay Marriage – wants Constitutional Amendment to ban
repeal of DOMA
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Scott is attractive..even with his pants on.
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I was one of her fiercest and most ardent critics in the Democratic primary, but she deserves to celebrate her U.S. Senate primary election tonight with her committed and passionate supporters in Massachusetts. I hope and expect Martha Coakley’s performance as the next U.S. Senator representing the Commonwealth will far exceed her mediocre and uninspiring performance as the state Attorney General and her tepid U.S. Senate primary campaign.
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The public option appears to be dead. What happened?
…but let’s move that discussion to another thread.
It was a blowout.
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It looked like Pags ad blitz might push him into third.
Both Steve Pagliuca and Alan Khazei have established a beachhead for future statewide runs. Stay tuned.
I don’t see Pagliuca running again. Khazei, maybe, but not all that confident either. Pagliuca spent a ton of money and he couldn’t beat Khazei who didn’t have much money. That’s pretty telling. We’ll see.
thanks, that was a good one.
…he’s already on record supporting the Governor’s re-election.
both the Governor and Pagliuca ? Duelling paychecks…Won’t happen.
By my calculation, Pags spent about $125 of his personal fortune for every vote he got.
and then hope I don’t feel compelled to support a primary challenge from the left in 2012.
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ran a great campaign but it didnt finish the way i wanted but you win some you lose some
Here are the top ten and bottom ten communities for each candidate. I suspect our own Michael Forbes Wilcox is responsible for making Alford (of which I believe he is Moderator) the only town to give Khazei a majority AND keep it in the bottom ten for all three of the others – congratulations! I guess at the end of the day it really is going with the name recognition. I don’t say this to downplay valid reasons for supporting Coakley, but just to remind ourselves again that those who engage here are both more active/informed in the aggregate than the population as a whole. As such our view of voters’ opinions are going to be a bit skewed. Just about every prediction offered here had the margin narrower.
And I don’t mean standing in colder weather and deeper snow to get Martha elected. (If anybody sees me holding a sign at 6AM on January 19th, please shoot me. Seriously)
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An impressive win by Martha Coakley based on many factors, including gender, name recognition, suburban appeal, and ‘playing it safe.’ Alas, the last factor is one that dismays me personally … but hey, fact is that the majority of Mass. voters like their politicians ‘mild.’
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How much $$$ would members of BMG have to raise to convince Scott Brown and Martha Coakley to agree not to run any television campaign ads or make any robocalls on their behalf to voters’ homes between now and January 19? Personally, I would contribute a $100 toward this collective political effort to prescribe a holiday season break from intrusive election politics until we dive into the maelstrom of Election Year 2010.
A field operation is all about voter contact. December 25th itself might be a bit tacky, but otherwise I would fully expect an all out effort to keep this election on voters minds. Sorry, but that’s democracy for you.
An impressive win by Martha Coakley based on many factors, including gender, name recognition, suburban appeal, and ‘playing it safe.’ Alas, the last factor is one that dismays me personally
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A loss is a loss, but I’m wondering if Capuano’s run puts him in a better position than the rest of the delegation for either a future statewide run or a potential redistricting fight.
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is nothing more than his way of trying to get votes from the large independent bloc of voters in the Commonwealth. It has nothing to do with independence, as evidenced by his immediate assumption of the language of the national Republican party, along with the sarcastic tongue used to describe Democrats. Of course, you have to understand that Brown, Romney lite, uses Eric Fehrnstrom, Romney’s mouthpiece throughout his electoral career, as his own mouthpiece and political consultant. Sarcasm and sharp tongued language are the go to modes for Fehrnstrom, a former Herald writer.
It’s a tribute to the hard work of you and your supporters, and some cagey decisions along the way, that you’re our nominee. You’re going to be a superior Senator and deserve a rich congratulations for a race well won. I’ll be eager to vote for you in January.
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Rondo’s J looks better every game as well.
great campaigns. I am so glad that it did not become dirty–defining all 4 of you as classy in my opinion. I was 100% for Michael Capuano because of he record , but you have been a great AG and I expect you to be an excellent senator. Dont get distracted by the talk radio right wing slaps during the general election campaign. You know that they will be going after you relentlessly. Straight forward truth is the best defense.
However, I think she was a terrible AG as politics trumped enforcing the laws.
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That you regularly give to Democrats, in races in which they shouldn’t be able to win, in order to “make it a good race?”
But since Democrats are forever taking my money (taxes) and spending it on things I don’t want (worthless programs) I thought I would return the favor. It was worth asking.
And the Mexican border fence, the Iraq war, and Bush tax cuts were all fabulously worthwhile endeavors. I apologize for not thanking you for those sooner.