p>We have to find ways to pressure the Herald to put a stop to this racism. Advertisers? Sponsors? Distributors?
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p>I intend to visit the outlets in my area (Ball/Davis Square, Somerville now) with a hard-copy of this piece and let them know that I don’t want this kind of hate literature distributed in my neighborhood. Maybe its time to start pasting this on lightposts and Herald boxes.
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p>Enough is enough.
kbuschsays
Haidt indicates that conservatives have a tendency to be more tribal than liberals. We liberals want to include everyone. For Howie, it seems, you can’t be trusted unless you are a loyal American, a loyal baseball fan, and a loyal movie goer. Unless you fulfill all these tribal affiliations, you are outside the circle. You are not worthy of trust. You are a fake human being.
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p>To confirmed liberals, this all sounds goofy in the extreme.
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p>I suspect it sounds much less goofy to conservatives. To low-information, conservative voters filling out their ballots, such observations may even be dispositive.
steve-steinsays
If he wasn’t writing this tripe, he wouldn’t be Howie Carr. This is what he does. The only troubling thing is, he has an audience.
david-whelansays
Remind me why the Herald is still publishing Howie Carr?
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p>It’s because even though you bitch about him you still read it and then post it on your blog for more people to read. I rarely read what he writes, but did today only because you brought it to my attention. Ignore him!
amberpawsays
And he still didn’t have the balls to wear it or show up for a charity stint in the Arlington Town Day Dunk Tank. Howie is the original wimpkins, in my opinion anyway. In the old country, the word for this is “schlemiel”. No I won’t translate!
medfieldbluebobsays
His choice to replace Patriot’s Day and Bunker Hill Day as “hack” holidays.
billxisays
A professor recognizes a student’s writing style. College professors aren’t as stupid as democrats think everyone else is. Then again, everyone else is not as stupid as a democrat.
Citation: Gladly!
Senator Scott Brown.
You people blew the safest office in electoral history. Think about it.
I detest calling anyone stupid. But in this case, the flip-flop fits.
Insults, personal attacks, rudeness, and blanket unsupported statements reduce the level of discourse, interfere with our basic objective, and are not permitted.
billxi regularly treats the first clause of that sentence as a to-do list, yet continues to enjoy posting access? I’m all for some rough-and-tumble as long as there’s substance – I’m not asking that liberals be treated with kid gloves, I’m asking that people who are manifestly not here to engage in productive discourse not be.
stomvsays
a poster named billxi constantly goes over-the-top in violating BMG’s rules of the road at the RMG site when writing about posters at the BMG site.
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p>Now, I’m not arguing that BMG rules apply everywhere, but I am arguing that if a poster is running around writing ugly things about BMGers on BMG’s red-headed stepsister site, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for 3Eds to take action on their own site.
Has Billxi consistently violated the rules of the road? Yes. Is it better to let him blather than to make a martyr of him on RMG? Probably yes. I recall that the odious nomad943 was banned from BMG after an anti-semitic rant. He then went over to RMG and boasted about it. And he got some sympathy, too.
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p>TedF
kbuschsays
someone actually read RMG, other than BMGers on anthropological expeditions.
Is BMG’s value that it
1) provides a venue for right-wing trolls to blow of steam, so they don’t say extra-objectionable things over at RMG; or that it
2) provides a venue for constructive discourse primarily among Democrats, liberals and progressives but welcoming input from people across the political spectrum so long as they follow the rules?
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p>I say #2. If awful people say awful things on RMG, that’s not BMG’s problem. Does the fact that some RMG readers wanted to show solidarity with nomad943 – wanted to align themselves with his bigoted views – really seem like a good reason to wish he were still expressing those views here, instead, to you? It doesn’t to me.
The harsh edge in Republican rhetoric at the moment comes because they are losing. The economy is improving. Stock market is going up. Health care reform passed. More to come. So, people like Howie, the Tea Partiers, the birthers and so on lash out. It is a sign of weakness.
kbuschsays
Let’s see, Senator Boxer’s polling is not looking great. Senator Reid is almost certain to lose his seat. It doesn’t look as if Sestak or Spector will outpoll the vile Toomey. Senate polling is looking very bad.
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p>Meanwhile, the extremely polite Democratic Party is hoping that the Truth Fairy is going to be the one to rudely point out that, if they win any more seats, Republican obstructionism will grind the gears of government to a halt.
There are plenty of paranoid, antediluvian bigots within the Herald‘s subscription area. Herald owners realized quickly that catering to them would be great for the bottom line.
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p>Asking why the Herald‘s owners place a small profit bump over attempting to act as respectable citizens is one only they can answer.
how something like this could be allowed to be published in a daily paper.
somervilletomsays
There have always been newspapers eager to publish sick, racist, revolting rubbish.
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p>The best way to stop it is to interrupt their revenue from their advertisers. Find the five largest advertisers for the Herald. Pressure them. Publicly.
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p>It won’t hurt to begin demonstrations around the gated compound of Mr. Carr in Wellesley. As his racism creates more and more inconvenience for his neighbors, his own self-interest may help him become more mellow.
somervilletom says
You’re absolutely right, this is beyond the pale.
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p>We have to find ways to pressure the Herald to put a stop to this racism. Advertisers? Sponsors? Distributors?
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p>I intend to visit the outlets in my area (Ball/Davis Square, Somerville now) with a hard-copy of this piece and let them know that I don’t want this kind of hate literature distributed in my neighborhood. Maybe its time to start pasting this on lightposts and Herald boxes.
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p>Enough is enough.
kbusch says
Haidt indicates that conservatives have a tendency to be more tribal than liberals. We liberals want to include everyone. For Howie, it seems, you can’t be trusted unless you are a loyal American, a loyal baseball fan, and a loyal movie goer. Unless you fulfill all these tribal affiliations, you are outside the circle. You are not worthy of trust. You are a fake human being.
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p>To confirmed liberals, this all sounds goofy in the extreme.
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p>I suspect it sounds much less goofy to conservatives. To low-information, conservative voters filling out their ballots, such observations may even be dispositive.
steve-stein says
If he wasn’t writing this tripe, he wouldn’t be Howie Carr. This is what he does. The only troubling thing is, he has an audience.
david-whelan says
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p>It’s because even though you bitch about him you still read it and then post it on your blog for more people to read. I rarely read what he writes, but did today only because you brought it to my attention. Ignore him!
amberpaw says
And he still didn’t have the balls to wear it or show up for a charity stint in the Arlington Town Day Dunk Tank. Howie is the original wimpkins, in my opinion anyway. In the old country, the word for this is “schlemiel”. No I won’t translate!
medfieldbluebob says
His choice to replace Patriot’s Day and Bunker Hill Day as “hack” holidays.
billxi says
A professor recognizes a student’s writing style. College professors aren’t as stupid as democrats think everyone else is. Then again, everyone else is not as stupid as a democrat.
Citation: Gladly!
Senator Scott Brown.
You people blew the safest office in electoral history. Think about it.
I detest calling anyone stupid. But in this case, the flip-flop fits.
david says
that’s a really stupid comment. You obviously have no idea how law school exams work.
bob-neer says
Relatively speaking, the comment was a work of genius.
smadin says
…why when ostensibly
billxi regularly treats the first clause of that sentence as a to-do list, yet continues to enjoy posting access? I’m all for some rough-and-tumble as long as there’s substance – I’m not asking that liberals be treated with kid gloves, I’m asking that people who are manifestly not here to engage in productive discourse not be.
stomv says
a poster named billxi constantly goes over-the-top in violating BMG’s rules of the road at the RMG site when writing about posters at the BMG site.
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p>Now, I’m not arguing that BMG rules apply everywhere, but I am arguing that if a poster is running around writing ugly things about BMGers on BMG’s red-headed stepsister site, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for 3Eds to take action on their own site.
tedf says
Has Billxi consistently violated the rules of the road? Yes. Is it better to let him blather than to make a martyr of him on RMG? Probably yes. I recall that the odious nomad943 was banned from BMG after an anti-semitic rant. He then went over to RMG and boasted about it. And he got some sympathy, too.
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p>TedF
kbusch says
someone actually read RMG, other than BMGers on anthropological expeditions.
lynne says
Glad I wasn’t taking a sip while reading this!
smadin says
Is BMG’s value that it
1) provides a venue for right-wing trolls to blow of steam, so they don’t say extra-objectionable things over at RMG; or that it
2) provides a venue for constructive discourse primarily among Democrats, liberals and progressives but welcoming input from people across the political spectrum so long as they follow the rules?
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p>I say #2. If awful people say awful things on RMG, that’s not BMG’s problem. Does the fact that some RMG readers wanted to show solidarity with nomad943 – wanted to align themselves with his bigoted views – really seem like a good reason to wish he were still expressing those views here, instead, to you? It doesn’t to me.
smadin says
bob-neer says
The harsh edge in Republican rhetoric at the moment comes because they are losing. The economy is improving. Stock market is going up. Health care reform passed. More to come. So, people like Howie, the Tea Partiers, the birthers and so on lash out. It is a sign of weakness.
kbusch says
Let’s see, Senator Boxer’s polling is not looking great. Senator Reid is almost certain to lose his seat. It doesn’t look as if Sestak or Spector will outpoll the vile Toomey. Senate polling is looking very bad.
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p>Meanwhile, the extremely polite Democratic Party is hoping that the Truth Fairy is going to be the one to rudely point out that, if they win any more seats, Republican obstructionism will grind the gears of government to a halt.
sabutai says
There are plenty of paranoid, antediluvian bigots within the Herald‘s subscription area. Herald owners realized quickly that catering to them would be great for the bottom line.
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p>Asking why the Herald‘s owners place a small profit bump over attempting to act as respectable citizens is one only they can answer.
ryepower12 says
how something like this could be allowed to be published in a daily paper.
somervilletom says
There have always been newspapers eager to publish sick, racist, revolting rubbish.
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p>The best way to stop it is to interrupt their revenue from their advertisers. Find the five largest advertisers for the Herald. Pressure them. Publicly.
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p>It won’t hurt to begin demonstrations around the gated compound of Mr. Carr in Wellesley. As his racism creates more and more inconvenience for his neighbors, his own self-interest may help him become more mellow.
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p>Turn up the heat.