A U.S. judge in Virginia on Monday declared unconstitutional a key part of President Barack Obama’s landmark healthcare law in the first major setback on an issue that will likely end up at the Supreme Court.
U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson, appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush in 2002, backed arguments by the state of Virginia that Congress exceeded its authority by requiring that individuals buy health insurance by 2014 or face a fine.
This was always going to end up at the SCOTUS so let this be the pathway to let the court finally settle it.
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johnk says
probably not, it’s funny that Republicans talk about activist judges and we get this baloney. Hudson did note that his ruling was declaratory, it’s binding but it doesn’t really do anything. It’s dumb and unfortunate for Republicans to take this action.
eaboclipper says
ruling whether or not an actual statute is constitutional is not activist. Requiring a legislature undertakes a particular action where no law exists is activist.
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p>That’s how I see it. There is no basis in the constitution for a mandate. Even David at the time thought there was a legitimate point made by opponents who claimed that.
johnk says
Buying health care coverage wasn’t economic activity. This is ridiculous. Every other judge dismissed this out of hand, but the guy who owns Campaign Solutions, Inc., a Republican consulting firm who worked on Michele Bachmann’s campaign didn’t use the constitution in making his decision.
nickp says
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p>Buying food is an economic activity, but if Congress passed a law requiring that citizens had to buy an apple a day to keep the doctor away and they had to buy from private orchards, well, maybe that’s unconstitutional too.
eaboclipper says
they can’t coerce their citizens to partake in it.
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johnk says
nickp says
Put it this way: If the government can force you to buy healthcare, what on earth exists that the government can’t force you to buy.
jefferson-nix says
The United States Government can’t FORCE someone to buy something from a private company.
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p>If someone wants to buy health care insurance, then absolutely the federal government (or states) can step in and regulate the plans. For right or wrong, there are some people that want to remain left alone and live off the grid. They can buy solar panels that government had regulation on. They can be regulated to conform to building codes if they build a home. At both points, THEY made a decision to purchase something. Government did not force them to buy either. Forcing someone to give money to a private company simply as a condition to reside in the United States though is unconstitutional.
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p>I understand the frustration of those on the left. The IDEA of health care for all is admirable. This law is unconstitutional though. The only alternative I see under the Constitution is an amendment or increasing the scope of Medicare.
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johnk says
one that only an activist judge who owns a Republican consulting firm supporting Republican candidates who opposed health care reform would favor.
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p>Even Scalia disagrees.
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p>There is no case, no argument, only a judge who places politics over the constitution.
jefferson-nix says
John, I respectfully disagree. The option for restaurant owners in the South was that they could not operate and discriminate at the same time. Some became private clubs. Others closed. The rest integrated. The government did not force people to then eat in restaurants that were desegregated. They could have stayed home and ate if they wished.
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p>This is counter to the argument that people who don’t bye health insurance are “doing nothing.” If a descendant of Ethan Allen wants to stay on a farm in Vermont, pay for a doctor to visit him out of his own pocket, and die on his farm, is he interacting with the health care system at large? Is he costing anyone other than himself money?
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p>Listen, I agree that ultimately transparent costs, TORT reform, and better plans that aren’t based on pay for service are in everyone’s interests.
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p>It is not within the power of the federal government to force someone to do it. Even under the General Welfare Preamble. (Which can be argued gives NO power directly to federal government.)
christopher says
There have been lots of laws nullified on the basis of unconstitutionality that has prompted the right to scream activism over the decades:
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Roe v. Wade
Lawrence v. Texas
centralmassdad says
This is, at this point, really just a word that means “a judicial decision with which I disagree on policy, rather than legal, grounds”
christopher says
…I’m perfectly happy to acknowledge that Brown v. Board of Ed was about as activist as they come. Theoretically, SCOTUS could have narrowly read equal protection to not require integration, reaffirmed Plessy v. Ferguson, and merely required that districts spend the same amount per black student as they spend per white student. However, is there anyone today who denies it was rightly decided? Sometimes it takes judicial activism to uphold rights when the political branches can’t or won’t.
trickle-up says
At least there was some basis for Brown.
christopher says
SCOTUS even practically acknowledged this by declaring that Bush v. Gore could not be used as precedent.
centralmassdad says
I read a bit of the opinion, and while I am not a “necessary and proper” maven, the opinion sure seems to find that in order to be a valid exercise of Congressional power under “necessary and proper” the act must also be a valid exercise under some other Article I power, which strikes me as a mistake.
sabutai says
Read something the other day that of the 4 (now 5) judges who’ve ruled on this law, the 2 Dem appointees favored it, the 3 GOP appointees did not.
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christopher says
News all night has said 2 rulings in favor and 1 against HCR, which is what I remembered as well. This doesen’t even count the dozen or so attempts that were dismissed before getting to the ruling stage.
christopher says
…whether the effect falls within the powers of Congress? There’s plenty of interstate commerce going on here, so if we accept that Congress has the power to regulate, then it necessarily follows that it can require the mandate, if that is what Congress deems as necessary and proper for the rest of the bill to take effect. That being said I’m a loose constructionist, so since Congress decides this promotes the general welfare that’s all there is to it absent a prohibition thereon.
mark-bail says
Skimming over stuff at The Volokh Conspiracy, several experts have weighed in, it looks like a few issues are key and all depend on the Commerce Clause:
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p>1)Is the mandate supported by the Necessary and Proper Clause. Orrin Kerr makes an argument that makes “a fairly obvious and quite significant error” asserting that Hudson’s reading of the Necessary and Proper clause makes it irrelevant to the Commerce Clause altogether.
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p>3) Does interpreting the Necessary and Proper Clause create too much latitude for federal government oversight?
Jonathan H. Adler writes:
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p>I don’t have any idea whether these guys are conservative, liberal, or what, but I suspect that this part of the health care law is very questionable.
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p>Single-payer anyone?
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centralmassdad says
The things posted by the bloggers themselves are generally interesting and useful, but the comments are generally not worth reading.
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p>I have long thought that there is a potential problem with the mandate. It certainly isn’t fair to simply brush the issue off, as is done above. The very issue raised in these actions was the subject of much complaining here, if I recall correctly, when the program was called “Romneycare” and seemed like it would be helpful to the then-governor.
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p>The major one, brought by Florida and 19 other states in the norther District of Florida, just denied a motion to dismiss by the government. Another, in Michigan, did indeed dismiss the claim, finding authority under the Commerce Clause.
nopolitician says
The “mandate” was there to protect insurance companies, not people. The judge ruled that the mandate is unconstitutional. So great, put it in without the mandate. People can then wait until they’re sick to buy insurance, because the court did not rule that insurance companies can’t be compelled to offer insurance despite pre-existing conditions.
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sabutai says
Heck, I’m fine with a free-market approach. Let government offer its own alternative, which very possibly would drive the privateers out of business.
christopher says
Was this law written as severable? In other words can the rest of the law stand if the mandate gets struck down?
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mr-lynne says
… think so:
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joeltpatterson says
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dont-get-cute says
They try the Republican idea, but it gets ruled unconstitutional, so they have to go with their original idea, single payer. The Republicans can’t hold it up by saying that a mandate and private insurance companies would be a better way to do it, and they’ve already signed on to universal coverage, so now they have to go along with Single Payer.
christopher says
I think you’re giving too much credit, though.
mjonesmel says
It gets the electorate confused and angry, so voters lash out and vote against their economic interests. It also creates a nice playground for kleptocracy.
joeltpatterson says
And Republicans don’t really want to create chaos.
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p>It’s just that the decisions Conservatives make are risky to many other people, as with incapacitated drivers. So there is reason enough to keep the keys out of their hands.
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p>That egg farmer in Wright County, Iowa, didn’t want to poison people. But he chose to save money by cutting corners, and did poison people. The owner of Massey Energy in West Virginia, Tea Party activist D. Blankenship, didn’t want his miners to die, but he chose to run his mines in a risky fashion. George W. Bush didn’t want to harm tens of thousands of our soldiers (and suffer thousands of casualties), but he did want war, and the consequences followed.
johnd says
had “Democratic” judges? Do we really want to play that game where the Judge’s political background can be blamed for the decision?
christopher says
Yes, every judge is appointed by either a Democrat or Republican President, but not every judge holds stock in a partisan consulting firm with ties to some of the very politicians pushing to nullify HCR.
masslib says
id we just raised the FICA tax and gave everyone comprehensive Medicare. No constitutional issues there.
centralmassdad says
Any medical practice that wants to make payroll would have to refuse Medicare.
johnd says
They would pass a law “requiring” all Doctors and hospitals to take the low paying Medicare… which would then mean huge increases on fees for all non-Medicare patients and then a large flurry of medical practices going out of business.
christopher says
…is everyone is required to work on the same business model. Doctors are living quite comfortably (not extravagantly) in other countries that do this, and no shortage either.
centralmassdad says
As it is, doctors have to be students (and live like students) for a decade, and then, when they’re done, they have several hundred grand of student loans. And we’re going to tell them that they just need to get by on less? And we don’t think that this would cause a decline in the number of doctors available to provide the services in the first place?
mr-lynne says
… you wish for (emphasis mine):
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hoyapaul says
However, keep in mind that we do not simply “trend toward” better policies. Moving from the status quo is not inevitable, no matter how bad the medical system may be.
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p>This is something that conservatives understand well, and some Glenn Greenwald types on the Left completely fail to understand. The Obama health care bill was certainly not perfect from a progressive standpoint, but once implemented sets us down the path towards a single-payer system. It is a “Trojan horse” for considerably more government involvement in health care, as conservatives fear and some liberals apparently want to willfully deny by pretending this is some sort of right-wing plan.
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p>Conservative prefer the status quo to more government involvement in health care, which is why they are fighting like mad to kill this before it goes into effect. If it goes down, there will no longer be any “trend toward” single-payer. We’ll be back at square one.
johnd says
the rushed vote. How do you think Obamacare would do in 2011? You guys just had the perfect storm to do whatever “extreme” bill you could do and even that got sidetracked in the end by Scott Brown’s election. If Obamacare goes down, maybe we’ll get some real reform (not just insurance companies, but Doctor and Hospital costs…).
joeltpatterson says
Obama took office on Jan 20, 2009, seventeen days after the Senate and House were sworn in. That healthcare bill was finished in like February or March of 2010. That was NOT a rushed vote.
johnd says
How did the Compromise Committee do handling the differences between what the House and the Senate wanted concerning Healthcare reform… oh, they didn’t have a compromise?
christopher says
Who needs compromise when you start with the other side’s premises and proposals?
johnd says
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christopher says
I was previously talking about HCR, but you knew that didn’t you?
christopher says
…we felt held over the barrel of a gun, not equal partners in a compromise.
centralmassdad says
Congressional Democrats– and Senators Baucus and Reid fiddle-faddled for 13 months, and then had to rush.
johnd says
The ruling doesn’t have much of a practical effect. The issue is before a handful of federal trial courts right now. This decision was the first one ruling that the law requiring people to buy healthcare is unconstitutional because the law exceeds Congress’s powers. I believe there have been some other courts ruling otherwise.
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p>The judge didn’t enjoin enforcement of the law because it doesn’t go into effect until 2014. At this point, the feds will appeal to the next level up in the federal court system (the Circuit court, which is between the federal trial court and the US Supreme Court), which for Virginia is the 4th Circuit. For those cases in which the trial court ruled in favor of the feds, the other party (i.e. the states challenging the law) will appeal to the circuit court (for the Florida case, this will be the 11th Circuit).
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p>If the Circuit courts are all in agreement one way or the other, then the law will essentially be viewed as unenforceable. I doubt that will happen though, and would predict a “split” in the circuits. One of the major reasons that the US Supreme Court takes cases is when there is a split in the circuits, especially re: a law of this importance.
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p>It’s considered a victory against the feds because it was slam dunk case for the states. The judge in Virginia didn’t buy any argument the feds were throwing at him for why the Act is constitutional. Not to say there isn’t some fed-power-hungry judge out there that won’t buy them the next time though.
joeltpatterson says
Looks like Judge Hudson should have recused himself, but couldn’t resist putting his thumb on the scales of justice.
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Hacktastic!
mannygoldstein says
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christopher says
mannygoldstein says
Congress voted on a bill of goods – that bill of goods has now changed.
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christopher says
…but the deal is done. A member of Congress can’t say he wants to rescind his vote because of changed circumstances. Congress can try repeal as some threaten, but the interest groups are just out of luck.
mannygoldstein says
e.g., Congress could refuse to pass the budget until Obama agrees to some changes in the law. (I know that Clinton told Congress to fuck off when this happened to him, and he won, but Obama is a different creature.)