I’m tired of politicians passing the buck on this issue. Oil isn’t expensive, the dollar is cheap. If someone or something is forcing the Treasury and the Fed to devalue the dollar, then I would prefer if they came out and said it, instead of pretending it has nothing to do with them.
President Obama does not “accept responsibility” for high gas prices, his spokesman indicated today, arguing that Obama has done everything he could to bring down the price of oil and blaming the high gas prices on oil price increases caused by global factors.
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Christopher says
This kind of sniping isn’t helpful. He HAS advocated more drilling; attacking Iran as some want will just drive them up further.
PS: I don’t trust the Examiner any farther than I can throw it.
seascraper says
I can explain where we are any why there is no simple solution:
1. 20th century government overpromises on entitlements and revenue cuts
2. …..
3. Federal Reserve has to devalue the dollar to inflate away the promises.
4. Prices of commodities and physical capital go up first
5. The present
6. The future: prices of intellectual capital go up, and salaries catch up to the new price of commodities.
What happens in step 2 is what all the economists argue about, but it’s really just everybody holding a different part of the elephant. Liberals say it’s the decline of unions or ten other things, conservatives say it’s something else blah blah blah. Nobody concentrating on their little corner can ever stop the elephant stamping all over us.
How we get from step 5 to step 6 will take all the leadership, because somebody’s ox is going to get gored. The oil people and the farm people are feeling pretty good right now, while the intellectual capital people are hurting. The balance is going to have to be restored, either by revaluing the dollar (which will destroy all the people who made contracts under the new value) or fixing the dollar against gold and making every effort to help salaries and wages catch up. This will mean $6 gas but our salaries would rise 6x what they were in 2000. The tax brackets would have to be completely indexed so we’re not raising income taxes.
tedf says
The dollar is cheap because people want to own dollars.
tedf says
Never post before 8 a.m., I say!
Mark L. Bail says
Presidents can be tarred with them, but they have little control over them. That’s the great thing about using them as a political weapon.
Your facts, however, as well as your reasoning, are flawed here:
seascraper says
When the dollar is weakened, then these momentary supply interruptions and market disruptions seem to create permanent upward change in prices. This happened after the 1973 oil shock. Even though the Arabs did not succeed in controlling the oil supply, the effect of delinking the dollar from gold and ‘printing’ billions of dollars was that the price increases of 1973 became permanent.
I think our oil price will keep trying to move up as the economy improves and demand comes back. But higher energy prices are the worst thing that could happen to the middle class and without accompanying moves up in salary and wages will lead to falling living standards as people have to pay more for gas.
It will be a ratchety and unpredictable effect but at the end of it, prices will have gone up without any real advance in productivity (certainly the gas will be no better than it was before.)
seascraper says
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577241623995642182.html?mod=opinion_newsreel
Mark L. Bail says
I need to do some reading.
Mr. Lynne says
… let friends get their analysis from the WSJ opinion pages, which are often 180 degrees from the WSJ news desks on the same day.
Also further reading (or listening) here:
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/22/147261788/whats-behind-the-recent-hike-in-gas-prices
Mr. Lynne says
… here:
Mark L. Bail says
for saying what I would say about the WSJ opinion page. Those guys are as undependable as they are nuts. But I didn’t want to dismiss your argument out of hand. It is true that oil is traded in dollars.
The Wild Men of Wall Street say, “Oil is traded in dollars, and its price therefore rises when the value of the dollar falls, all else being equal.” Is all else equal? Prices are not decided by suppliers; they are decided by the oil futures market. And the market is worried. The Financial Times is reporting on its front page:
The WSJ wants to tie oil prices fluctuations to the value of the dollar. There may be a correlation, but that’s not causation. Furthermore, the dollar has been where it is for a long time now and we’re now experiencing a dramatic spike in prices. And as Investopedia says, “During the first five months of 2008, the price of crude oil was up 20%, the commodity index was up 18%, the metals index was up 24% and the food price index was up 18%, while the dollar depreciated 6%.” The WSJ is cherry-picking its data. I lost my source that said oil prices have increased far out of proportion to the fall in the dollar, but you can probably figure that out if you find graphs of the two. If the WSJ’s premise was right, one would expect the two to track more closely and for the market to increase the price of oil by 85% when the value of the dollar fell by 10%.
The WSJ doesn’t like Obama and the investment sector, which doesn’t export, does not like a weak dollar. A serious editorial would balance the costs and benefits of a weak dollar, but again we’re talking about the WSJ editors.
seascraper says
guess not.
Mark L. Bail says
to Kool Aid, I think you have the complete picture.
I was trying to argue with you honestly, but I guess you’re done with that?
Mark L. Bail says
The WSJ confused me because it was, quite frankly, not clear about how the weak dollar affected oil prices.
Since then, I’ve found that the weak dollar can send investors into the commodities market, increasing demand, and driving up the price. And because oil is traded in dollars, it’s cheaper for stronger currencies to buy more. This increased demand drives up prices. And when there are worries about supply due to Iran etc., it’s easier for those countries to buy more oil.
I finally found the info at Reuters: