Wow! If you thought Elizabeth Warren’s “Crab with Tomato Dressing” didn’t seem like a traditional Cherokee recipe, you were correct. It has now been discovered that Warren copied nearly verbatim three of the five recipes she submitted to the Native American Cookbook Pow Wow Chow. Breitbart.com reports:
The two recipes, “Cold Omelets with Crab Meat” and “Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing,” appear in an article titled “Cold Omelets with Crab Meat,” written by Pierre Franey of the New York Times News Service that was published in the August 22, 1979 edition of the Virgin Islands Daily News, a copy of which can be seen here.
Ms. Warren’s 1984 recipe for Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing is a word-for-word copy of Mr. Franey’s 1979 recipe.
Mrs. Warren’s 1984 recipe for Cold Omelets with Crab Meat contains all four of the ingredients listed in Mr. Franey’s 1979 recipe in the exact same portion but lists five additional ingredients. More significantly, her instructions are virtually a word for word copy of Mr. Franey’s instructions from this 1979 article. Both instructions specify the use of a “seven inch Teflon pan.” The 1984 Pow Wow Chow recipe reads:
File under “Plagiarism.”
UPDATE: Rob Eno beat me to this story at RedMassGroup, and also reported that that Howie Carr was the original source. I quickly posted this very similar diary about it here, using Rob’s RedMassGroup diary as a template. But I carefully changed at least 1/32 of it to make it my original work, though I am proud of its RedMassGroup Acadian heritage, and if anyone is questioning my qualifications, then, uh, well as Shaq says, don’t worry about it. It’s a space-time thing that Stephen Hawking can’t explain. Soon it will be the subject of a major motion picture and you won’t have to read or think too much.
First, can you cite a CREDIBLE source (ie not Breitbart or Breitbart’s source Howie Carr) for this?
Second, even if you could can you explain how this in any way would make her less of a professor or Senator? As far as I’m concerned she can plagiarize recipes and embellish her ancestry all she wants and would still have a better voting record on behalf of Massachusetts than Senator Brown.
I have lots of old family recipes – I love to cook, and I copied tons of recipes from my mom’s index cards when my wife and kids lived with my mom back in the late eighties. I can guarantee you that many of them were originally in cookbooks, the fact that someone else had the same recipe is not surprising at all.
On the other hand, Scott Brown plagiarized Liddy Dole’s web site on his senate web site, with the names changed to cover up the theft. That’s actually plagiarism – care to comment on that?
It’s not like a company cookbook where all the employees submit a favorite recipe they like and no one cares about copyright issues. This one is called Pow Wow Chow and it is supposed to be “recipes from the families of the Five Civilized Tribes,” yet it seems like Warren just grabbed recipes she clipped out of the new york times five years ago that had no Cherokee or family connection at all, and she must have known it! Actually, the one from the old magazine might have been clipped by her mother and she might have felt is was a family recipe by that point. Perhaps they all came from her mother’s recipe box, but the Pierre Frainey ones were only five years old, that can’t be said to come from her family. Maybe she didn’t know they were supposed to be Cherokee recipes, and just knew her cousin was making a recipe book, so she copied down some recipes she liked. Certainly “Mexican Oatmeal Soup” doesn’t sound like she claimed it to be Cherokee.
I just left a long comment on the Dole website thing on another thread. I think that was standard sloppy web development but its standard to start from another site and go through and change the content. I think it was intended to be replaced, but the web developer couldn’t resist just changing the names, and that made the page appear finished prematurely.
It seems to me that you’re jumping to conclusions about where Warren, and Frainey, got those recipes. They could have been recipes from many years ago, handed down in both of their families!
As for standard web development, you know less than you do about cooking. When I’m developing a web site and I need filler text, I don’t go copy text from another web site and change a few names. I, like every other web developer in the world, fill the space with Latin text, a tradition in the typesetting industry since Guttenberg:
This technique neatly avoids the error you describe above – what you think isn’t worth the space it’s taking up between your ears…
Sorry that is ridiculous. The only charitable explanation is that EW didn’t know the recipes were for a Pow Wow Chow cookbook of old Cherokee family recipes.
Yeah, I know about Lorem ipsum filler, and this is why people do that, but I’ve never done that myself, I always found it annoying and distracting. So if there is already English text that fills the space better and looks more like what is supposed to go there, I’d keep using the old text, and maybe change a few obvious things to hide where I am copying the new site from. Yeah, that’s what hack developers do, guilty as charged.
where they keep Obama’s “real” birth certificate. D’uh!
Dead cooks can’t talk
Pierre Franey -Oct 15, 1996 – RIP
Could be yet another uncovered conspiracy!
It’s completely possible, and probable, that both recipes came from the same source many, many years ago. Your compatriot bluhooey mentioned that one of the recipes came from a 1959 edition of Better Homes and Gardens – it’s likely that it was copied onto an index card and became on old family recipe by virtue of being cooked many times through the years, with the original source long forgotten. Same thing could easily have happened with Frainey’s recipe.
And it’s not surprising that you think avoiding plagiarism is annoying and distracting while you admit to plagiarizing other people’s work – you’re certainly the king of “annoying and distracting” around here!
and if this was just a church cookbook or a neighborhood cookbook or an employee cookbook, then this wouldn’t be an issue at all. But this was sold – is sold – as a Five Civilized Tribes Native American cookbook, and she was identified as Cherokee in it, and either she didn’t know that she was supposed to be providing some authentic Cherokee recipes for a Native American cookbook, or she actually thought that her index cards of recipes qualified as Pow Wow Chow.
Sorry, but that’s over the edge.
Apparently Warren’s cousin gave it the name, I’m not sure. I also wonder who came up with “The Five Civilized Tribes?” That seems pretty sketchy too.
The term “The Five Civilized Tribes” hails from colonial times – here’s the Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes
You should really do some basic research and learn a few things before you continue posting – just sayin…
That’s what I figured, the name comes from the English colonists who were trying to figure out how to deal with the people who already lived in this land before the English started sailing over and exploiting the rich land and boundless resources. The people who use that term are the very people who would believe that they should teach the indians to eat Pierre Franey recipes and Better Homes and Gardens recipes. And they’ll even go as far as to claim they are Cherokee themselves, to trick them into becoming civilized. Is Elizabeth Warren just continuing what Washington and Jefferson strategically chose as the best way to deal with the people that already occupied the continent.
has been an utter failure.
…as discussed in Clint Eastwood’s movie “The Outlaw Josey Wales”:
The video worked in the preview, but not in the post – here’s a link if you want to see it:
http://youtu.be/GF8ETyOcDCE
Cool, thanks. So, let’s see, Outlaw Josey Wales was released in 1976, and portrays a Cherokee Indian burning his “civilized” Abe Lincoln stovepipe hat shortly after the Civil War and rejecting the term “civilized.” Clearly by 1976, people believed that the term was patronizing, to say the least (genocide, to say the most). And then in 1984, Elizabet Warren contributes French and English and Mexican (Spanish?) recipes to a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow and calls herself a Cherokee. I take it back that she might have not known it was a Native American themed cookbook, now I think she was still trying to civilize Native Americans, in 1984, by slipping them Pierre Franey recipes without them knowing? Good thinking, Professsor Know It All!
Let me know if you ever figure out what fixes that problem.
is stripping it upon submission. Preview is not submission.
The tags that get used are oftem on ban lists for comments on a lot of sites. ~shrug~
Really, guys — recipes?
This is the canonical example of a comment not worth responding to.
when something jumps the shark?
I think we’re here.
It’s stupid time.
do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds. LOL.
Final Step: and beat yourself in the head with it until done.
Garnish with wingnuts. Serve with cold, weak tea.
¿Will NOBOOBY stop us before we swipe again?
Happy days.
what kind of dingbat would take a recipe from a French restaurant and insert it in a Cherokee cookbook??? An Oklahoma newspaper today said “It’s the kind of story that — in addition to the dubious claims about Warren’s Cherokee ancestry — threaten to turn her campaign into a punch line.” I never did see crabs for sale in Norman or OKC when I was there! OU ’72
Read more: http://newsok.com/warrens-family-recipes-cost-70-a-plate/article/feed/383904#ixzz1vHZDC2MA
that there are no limits to individual achievement and no excuses to justify indifference,” said the message from Brown, which was removed later yesterday. “From an early age, I was taught that success is measured not in material accumulations, but in service to others. I was encouraged to join causes larger than myself, to pursue positive change through a sense of mission, and to stand up for what I believe.
it should be pointed out that the third plagiarized recipe, “Warren’s “Herbed Tomatoes” recipe may have been copied from a 1959 Better Homes and Garden recipe”. Much more appropriate for ragged edge middle class families!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seriously-elizabeth-warren-may-have-plagiarized-pow-wow-chow-recipe-submissions/
Why should that be pointed out?? So you can enjoy getting off on a racist-sexist two-fer rage-gasm?
Myself, I haven’t seen one of those since the sixth grade. Why don’t you finish high school before mixing with the adults?
Middle class families, according to the Conformity Police, are not supposed to read the New York Times, or take recipes from it, or acquire tastes that stray too far from the absolute center of the mainstream. Is the goal of the Republican Conformity Police to make us all unremarkable in every way? Is the acceptable pursuit of happiness restricted to certain TV channels?
So if I get this correctly, not only are liberal Democrats running for office required to be martyrs, they’re required to be boring martyrs.
Nothing from NewsMax!
learning curve.
It’s not plagiarism if the recipe isn’t copyrighted… and recipes are the original, and still the oldest, form of file-sharing known to humans.
But you wouldn’t know that because you are a blithering, racist, sexist, asshole who probably couldn’t successfully pick your own nose without injury, much less cook an actual meal.
You deserve Scott Brown. Some of the rest of us will choose excellence.
A thousand sixes for you…
“rising above”?
and I never would have written it but it is rantastic.
We should send it to the National Review. Yesterday they accused her of plagiarizing from a book. Too bad they don’t have a decent editor, as they’ve had to retract the story:
Zed, good call.
Even by the standards of a publication that has become truly ridiculous in recent years, that was a pretty embarrassing snafu. It appears that Richard “Starbursts” Lowry is pioneering the new “hate first, ask questions later (if at all) method of reportage.
how much you all fed the troll.
The best way to deal with him (short of banning him, which I would hope the editors would consider, as he/she is a waste of pixels) is IGNORE HIM. People like this LOOOOOVE attention. Stop giving it to them!!!
as usual.