After passing for 2 TD’s in the final pre-season game, and his NFL career on the line, Tebow told the media he is at peace no matter what happens, because he has his faith. Like Mr. Kraft, I am pulling for Tebow and hope he makes the team. Tebow’s spirituality is to be admired, and clearly has talent to play in the NFL, just ask the Steelers who Tim shredded for 316 passing yards in a playoff game.
So what does everyone think, will #5 be on the roster by the end of tomorrow?
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I didn’t see anything last night that makes him better than Ryan Mallett, much less more able to understand a complex offense. There is no reason to carry 3 quarterbacks on this team, Tebow is the worst of the three, thus he should go.
I’ll leave irrelevant musings about religious beliefs to other commentators.
means some other, more deserving person, playing a position that is at more of a premium will have to go.
That person may even believe in Jesus, too.
Link.
Tebow might want to take the advice of the person he so lionizes, Jesus Christ:
Tebow’s spirituality is nothing to be admired, not by any true Christian anyhow. Faux Christian right wing nut jobs seem to like it, though…
It seems the first paragraph you quoted above is exactly how Jesus would have told him to handle the situation. Certainly you can’t be offended with the line “I pray for nothing but the best for you all.” He is not angry or wallowing in self-pity. Those who where their religion on their sleeve do tend to be of the more conservative variety, but I thought I had heard that Tebow engages is charitable activity and the like and is sincere in his faith.
That’s why I think he should heed the advice of the man he pretends to believe in – and that’s why I said his spirituality is nothing be admired, at least not by anyone who has read and understands the message of Jesus.
He simply, humbly prays for strength, win or lose, and puts The Lord first and foremost, and that he has a platform to honor him.
If he truly took the words of his lord Jesus to heart, he’d do as Jesus said and pray privately. Instead, he shows himself as a hypocrite, and even today as he gets bad news, he can’t help but issue a statement that basically says “Hey everyone, look at me, I’m praying over here!” If you had any understanding of Jesus and his teachings, you’d see that as well.
Do not be like the hypocrites – could Jesus say it any louder, Dan? Tebow is praying like a hypocrite, in situations where people can see him – he should do a couple of eons in purgatory for that, eh?
Even the criminals who shared Calgary Hill with Jesus were told they would be with Him this day in Paradise. I don’t think his public show is necessary, but I don’t understand why people are offended by it either. His bended knee is less obnoxious than TD dances I’ve seen.
Talk to Jesus, maybe he can explain it to you. TD dances are just that, dances – they’re not hypocritical public prayers, the type specifically called out in the verse I quoted above.
His displays aren’t hurting you and if he’s violating a teaching of Jesus that’s between him and Jesus. I’m very familiar with the verse, but Jesus Himself participated in worship and public glorification of God and His admonition was against being a hypocrite showing off with no substance. Is Tebow a hypocrite? Does he make a show of prayer only to act decidedly unChristian off the field? If so I am not aware of that.
…are trying to drag this world back to the 16th century with their piety, Chris. You should care too. The sooner Tim Tebow’s 15 minutes of fame are over, the better.
Gee, never knew that. Donating time before each game with kids who are having a difficult time, is 16th Century thinking? Treating people, especially women, with utmost respect, is 16th Century thinking? Get me a time capsule then, b/c it’s his religious faith that makes Tebow who he is.
There are plenty of us who try to be pious while moving forward. If and when he runs for office and espouses the principle of the Religious Right as a basis for favored policy I’ll act accordingly. BTW, I’m surprised you started this subthread by responding at all to a DFW post.
What is wrong if Tebow publicly recognizes his God?
R U familiar with the term “God The Father”? Like any father, you or me or anyone on BMG, don’t you want to hear from your children? I’m sure it’s the same way with God, he loves hearing from his children. Those that don’t call, perhaps end up in purgatory, not people like Tim, as you suggested. God always answers the phone (I am told), give him a call.
that the very fact that it’s called “Tebowing” tends to suggest that the act is less about humble prayer and more about publicly calling attention to how virtuous the actor is.
Nor should he hide his love for his religion, in the closet or behind closed doors. I’m pretty good at sniffing out frauds who promote a certain cause or belief system, Al Gore comes to mind. But look at the sheep who believe what he pedals. Tebow is the real deal.
Do you take offense when you see a man wearing a yarmulke or a woman wearing a burqa?
I was at a place with one of my kids, and who walks in was a couple, a frumpy looking guy in a tee shirt and his wife in a burqa. All I saw of the woman was her hands and nose.
I said to my kid that garment represents modern day slavery and the woman under that garb has either lost her mind or living in fear. I teach my daughters to be independent and self providing, not relying on Daddy Obama for health care or even basic simplistic items that are readily available, or change/alter your career for any man.
And I have no idea how we got to this on a Tebow thread, but I think for some devout Muslims it’s a way to show their modesty and respect for their faith. They have a right to practice their faith freely without our judgment, I know women getting advanced degrees (law and medical) who choose to wear them, and I know women who are Muslim who choose not to. As long as the women are making this choice I don’t care.
Seriously? If I saw a doctor and she was wearing a burqa, I would think I was in a mental hospital, my wife just had me committed.
I don’t believe any free woman, would wear one. Not buying it, its modern day slavery, women treated like a second class citizen, or worse. If my kid wore one, I would ask for a DNA test to see if she is really my kid, then disown her, then wonder where I went wrong in the raising of her.
with a bigot.
This is not going to be interesting.
It is not going to convince anyone.
It is not going to be worth the space.
You’ll find the downratings button very useful as a response.
Go bash some Catholic Hospital who didn’t want to offer contraception coverage, yet defend “free women” wearing a burqa. Even France banned the public wearing of burqas, they must be bigots too.
You call me a bigot, yet you are the biggest danger to women, and being one, that says a lot.
with a bigot.
This is going to be uninteresting.
It is going to be unconvincing.
It is not going to be worth the space.
You’ll find the downratings button very useful as a response.
I never thought I’d get downrated for quoting Jesus!
So there isn’t enuff room for a NCAA Champion, Heisman Trophy winning QB with high moral character? Not to mention he barely had a month of training before being asked to run the offense during the first per-season game. And the offense line, my God, couldn’t block a Pop Warner team.
Oh the hoopla, reunited with Josh McDaniels, Kraft likes him, Brady getting up in age, Ryan Mallett a free agent in 2014. Talk about bait and switch.
Ryan Mallett, the second coming of Marc Wilson, is the future, the same guy they shopped this year during the draft?
We’ve already heard already from the haters above, reminds me of the same type of barbs Doug Flutie encountered when he played. We shall see who has the last laugh.
Classy. Contrast that with Tebow’s own response: “I pray for nothing but the best for you all.”
Anyway, Tebow is just not that good a QB. Sorry, but it’s true.
I honestly think Tebow is a good person trying to live his faith and I respect a lot about him, particularly that he walks the walk with his mission work in the Philippines. Too many Americans forget that we still owe that country a great debt for the burdens they bore on our behalf during WWII and during our occupation. His pro-life ad was relatively inoffensive since by asking women to “choose to have children” he was implying its their choice and not the states. He also is one if the few public NFL figures to say they would be totally comfortable with and supportive of a gay teammate.
JohnT’s comments are unusually hostile and uncalled for, but Dan like the right wingers is using him as a proxy to fit a narrative “Godless liberal cut religious QB” when in reality a bad QB was cut since he sucks at that position. He could be a good TE or WR or have a ST role like Devin Hester. But he sucks at QB. At the end of the day there may be praying in football, but there sit no cryin’ or whinin’ either.
one of the guys, playing at a position of higher premium than 3rd string quarterback, who would have been cut if we kept Tebow would have had “high moral character” too?
Is the good looking, knee-bending Tim Tebow worth intrinsically more than them?
Let me ask you this, too. Who’s more likely to bounce back on their feet? Tebow, a guy who could do just about anything he wants, perhaps short of being an NFL quarterback, or some special teams schmuck who has nothing and probably came from nothing?
I root for the little guy, who’s worked every bit as hard as Tebow or harder, but doesn’t have the fame and is playing a position far more valuable to this team. There’s no ESPN commentator gig waiting for them. No speaking gigs or book deals or megachurches who’d pay tens of thousands to see them.
It’s very hard for someone to make a career in the NFL — and most of those who don’t make it struggle for the rest of their lives (many who’s injuries are debilitating for the rest of their lives– just look at the recent NFL settlement).
Why should Tebow be given infinitely more chances than any other guy?
My dad was a backup lineman and special teams guy for the Buffalo Bills for 7 seasons. No one gave him second, third or fourth chances, or took him on as a ‘reclamation’ project to teach him skills. He was expected to have them — and if he didn’t, that was it. He’d be cut. No mercy.
That’s the kind of guy who would have had to be cut for Tim Tebow.
It’s professional football. No one is entitled to be there. But your misplaced rage is pretty crappy when just as or even more deserving guys are cut all the time. Some of them even pray. Where’s your rage then? Where are your diaries then?
Spare us. Your faux outrage is tiring.
How about lead a team to the NCAA Title, or win a playoff game? You keep Tebow as a future asset, not to play next Sunday.
Brady is on borrowed time with his NFL career, I wish it were not the case, but he is old for NFL. My guess is the QB position is more complex than a lineman. Tebow missed all of last year, and mini-camp this year, yet, they can’t hold him for a year?
Ray Berry had started an injured Tony Eason over Doug Flutie, then tried to have Flutie be a punt returner. You and others remind me of Ray Berry.
Tim Tebow has been cut by three teams in eighteen months. So either:
-Each of those teams is run by idiots who know less about football than “danfromwaltham”
-Each of those teams is run by militant atheists who would sabotage their own team just to stick it to the religious
-Tim Tebow, who holds over his career one of the worst QB ratings in the league, is just not good enough at football to deserve a place on a 53-man roster
He won a Heisman Trophy. So was Troy Smith, and he’s playing for Montreal now. Until refs start awarding points for Heisman Trophies it doesn’t matter.
Final piece: I know you have a theory that New England sports fan hate the godly. I seem to recall Mike Timlin being as religious as you can get out there, but no one wanted him released. It’s because he was good at baseball. Tough but fair.
Denver has Manning, Pats with Brady. Ryan “Marc Wilson” Mallett has been studying the playbook for 3 years, Tebow had 3 weeks. Denver was forced by their fans, to play Tebow.
Of all the Heisman winners, Tebow is most like Flutie, an unconventional QB. Flutie was run out of Chicago and cut by The Pats. Same story here, and I hope it comes back to bite Belichicken.
are filled with people who excelled in college. That’s true in athletics and in other walks of life. It takes something extra to make it to the top in the real world. Some folks got it, and some folks don’t.
There are multiple lists out there of Heisman winners who never made it in the NFL. There is a really good writeup here about why a Heisman doesn’t necessarily mean NFL greatness.
Devout Catholic, has a great charity to help kids with his sons conditions, and is a local boy who was a college football hero at BC. Never made it big in the NFL. As a former fantasy owner of Reggie Bush I can attest he never lived up to his potential (and I avoided him like the plague this year in spite if the hype). It’s football. Sometimes people aren’t as good as they were. So many Bears fans were pissed Urlacher got cut, but he spent the bulk of the last two seasons on the bench. Time to move on. Isn’t that the free market at work Dan?
Flutie had 2 winning seasons with Buffalo, what r u talking about. He was 38 at the time. Took a post Jim Kelly sorry ass Bills team to 2 playoff seasons. Just think what he could have done if he wasn’t playning in Canada for most of his career.
I’d say there was a reason he got stuck in Canada all those years. His height and scrambling style, much like Tebow’s, is great for college where the defenses are atrocious but terrible in the big leagues.
Not in sports by any stretch, but I went from being highly credentialed to chronically underemployed:(
but your ‘capitalism rocks! let’s do whatever is the maximum efficiency best thing to get the most jobs’ shtick is shot with these Tebow posts.
You, the self-professed defender of all things meritocracy in policy (can’t support green energy to invest in tomorrow because coal is ‘better’ today!) should know better.
As for the content of why you’re so wrong on Tebow, Johnk describes that below. http://vps28478.inmotionhosting.com/~bluema24/2013/08/will-tim-tebow-make-the-final-cut-and-be-a-n-e-patriot/#comment-322499
Much good it will do him. Or you, for that matter.
Give credit to the Patriots for giving the guy an opportunity. It was painfully obvious that he couldn’t make reads quick enough, even in practice. The only thing Tebow needed to do is show Bill that he could take to coaching and not commit the same mistakes over and over. He couldn’t do that. It’s not college where receivers are open by 10 yard, there is a very small window for an opportunity, he couldn’t do it.
Bill put Tebow out there for the last play for a reason, he liked him and wanted to send him out with a positive play similar to Flutie with the drop kick. It was a thank you to him and best of luck. You could sense that Bill truly liked the kid, but he couldn’t play.
It’s funny, reading your comments, they seem to mirror much of your political postings. You don’t acknowledge what is plain to see, you have this opinion and if the facts don’t back it up, it doesn’t really matter.
I really liked him. They cut Leon Washington, and he actually had something to offer the team. That fumble might have cost him.
Hopefully Winn and Sims are at least on the practice squad. Tough year of offiense, Belichick adding a lot of defensive depth.
I suspect it’s a money thing more than a talent thing, but a good punter can basically win you the game. Why keep a back who can get you ten yards while cutting a punter who can get you an extra 15?
Of course, I would wager that Washington will be on the team by week 5. Bet he hasn’t even cleaned out his locker.
On my fantasy a year or two a go, could be a good third string. Bill never seems to invest much in offensive depth though, I still believe in Bill and trust his strategy.
I saw you give Kbusch a positive recommendation when she called me a bigot, think I’m going to ignore it? If you feel that way, well first off, you can go bleep yourself. Secondly, here is what a Muslim had to say about the burqa
“It’s just a manifesto of political Islam, implying medieval oppression imposed by tribal Muslim men on their women.”
But you, Kirth, and Kbusch thinks its okay, if the women do so “freely” and I’m the bigot for railing against this practice, and yes, like France, would ban any public display of the burqa. Another thing, tell your so-called friends who are lawyers/doctors to get some pride and self-confidence, and burn their burqas.
http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/1151543
One calls me a pure capitalist, only the best and strong survive, others call me a protectionist. Get together with your other die-in-the-wool Democrats on BMG, and try to come up with a consistent theme to describe me.
I gave you plenty of reasons above to keep Tebow, all facts. I know you admired Mesko, but be aware, you cant be an MVP and be a punter, you need to be a QB, ask Tebow, been there, done that.
And all off-point. Tebow seems like a nice guy and all, but he’s just not an NFL-caliber quarterback. He’s proven that with several different teams. All of your “reasons” to keep him have to do with his college career (old news), or his faith (irrelevant). Belichick made a smart business decision – NFL football is, after all, a business. I’d think a Republican like you would appreciate that.
But appreciate the positive dialogue. I hope I can speak for most on BMG, we wish Tebow well and hope someday, he returns to the NFL and becomes a starting QB.
Some Montreal team had his rights in Canada, so I will enjoy watching him play there.
Have you tallied things up in this thread?
“Some Montreal team” doesn’t seem that interested to me.
Tebow would have to walk on and fight to be the back-up to a 41 year old concussion-prone quarterback on that CLF team.
Sound like a team that’s enthusiastic to have that Heisman winner Tim Tebow as their quarterback?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-09-01/tim-tebows-nfl-dream-called-unrealistic-canada-touted-as-option
LOL
AND ALL HE DOES IS WIN GAMES!
Dan believes in a world where Reagan creates jobs, balanced budgets, fought for unions and working people, Bush and Ed King where awesome, and Tim Tebow is Payton Manning.
now that’s just trolling
sorry, but it’s what you are.
He took the cut in stride and took it like a man. Can’t say that about dear old Dan…
Anyway I am very excited about the upcoming season and will be proudly rooting for the New England Patriots, one of the few organizations that puts team before player.
I guess that’s it for me, has to be true. Women who wear them are free, just like the Jim Jones flock who drank the Kool-aid, and recently Jen Martel, who freely decided not to press charged against Remy. They are free though.
Yes, you are a fricken bigot. When, OH WHEN, are you going to get it into your head there is more to the US Constitution then just the flaming 2nd amendment?
You and the other trio fail to answer the question. They banned the burqa from public, are they bigots Michael Cote????
If you or anyone else would accept your own daughter wearing a burqa, is either full of shit, or perhaps Michael Savage is right, liberalism is a mental disorder.
Best thing for Muslim women would be a Second Amendment in Arabia, finally put them on equal footing, gain some respect and even prevent a Honor Killing.
You are so full of it. The company I work for was founded by a gentleman from Lebanon, and we have several women who work here who wear burqa everyday. They have the 1st Amendment here in Massachusetts and yet, as Americans, they still choose to wear burqas.
In answer to your question, the French Parliament (not the French people but their government), is using xenophobia to target people of muslim descent. Surprise, the same logic that was used by the French Parliament to ban burqas is the exact same argument you fear will be used here to ban all handguns. You want everyone to carry a concealed weapon, but then you want the same government to deny EVERYONE a religious expression, because they may carry a concealed weapon within that religious expression.
Pick One and stick with it.
Do you want people to have the right for concealed carry or not? Because that IS the justification for banning the Burqas in France.
And if your arguement is not based on Concealed Carry, then you are a BIGOT!
You would be, right? Normal, so long it’s free will (not brainwashed or out of fear).
These women have family back home, so if the burned their burqa, no retribution back home? You don’t see the oppression, the history, of what the burqa represents? If the Boston terrorists wore a burqa, would they have been caught? Let’s say 10% of the crowd was wearing one, ever think of the security risks? Perhaps that was part of the reason why the French Parliament banned the burqa, who are elected by the French people, no? Is the new French President trying to overturn the law?
It’s a shame I don’t know those poor women at your job, forced to wear a burqa. First thing I would do is take them to a gun range, fire a few rounds, remind them that they are equal to men, install some confidence in them. Sad to think you believe wearing a burqa is normal.
Wasn’t this one of your fears?
Couldn’t figure that out? Has nothing to do with conceal-carry.
Why would one get fired for inviting people to a gun range?
who spent all day talking to people who were trying to get work done about how President Obama was born in Kenya, and he was fired. Your pathetic attempts to infantalize women to push your “F”ed up gun bullshit would similarly get you fired, and Tim Tebow can go F himself too, while we are at it, which was the original point of this garbage posting. Why you decide to turn it into your flaming bigoted screed about burqa is just typical #GarbageFromWaltham. Why stop there, why not scream about Sharia Law, while you are off the deep end?
Typical response, avoids reality, doesn’t care about safety issues that comes from wearing an oppression symbol knows as a burqa.
Other than its absurd title, I didn’t read any this surely inane comment, but I’ve noticed that anyone who habitually uses four or more ?s or !s in a row has almost always been a troll.
In this case, a bigoted troll.
But one of the most courageous women I have ever met was a member of Turkish parliament who was assaulted and driven out of the country for wearing a burqua as a sign of her faith. I was mildly against burqas from a liberal female empowerment perspective but she convinced me that it’s a choice left up to women and one they should be free to make.
She certainly encountered a ton of opposition and misogyny and fought back hard and with grace and intelligence. That was the year we invaded Iraq and I learned so much from having a Muslim student teacher bring in that woman and also talk about his own experiences as a Muslim convert in a post-9/11 America. Anyway this was less of a response to DFW who will take the O’Reilly position on most issues and more of a tribute to an amazing women rights and religious freedom activist.
If I’m not mistaken, the burqa is a much more complete covering than the hijab, and it is a larger restriction on social interaction. Within Islam, there seems to be a general sense that modesty. From Wikipedia:
After the bad role model of the Bush Administration, many Americans, especially the undiscerning, must have gotten it into their heads that we are peculiarly qualified to lecture Muslims on all matters large and small: Not only will we teach them democracy but how to dress as well.
Guess Bill saw something in Tim.
Oh Tim Tebow, I love you so much, Oh Tim, kiss me, hug me, love me, ohhhh Tim, lay me down in a field of wild flowers and take me, you handsome stallion, Tim, OH! OH! OH, TIM!!