“drawing a line” versus “respecting public employees” and “putting all the cards on the table.”
cannoneosays
From corporate giveaways to late night T hours, I like how Walsh always sees things from the point-of-view of working people.
cannoneosays
Look to what the endorsers say, not to cynical tealeaf-readers.
Kosta Demossays
Are you serious? Ever work in real politics?
cannoneosays
If you don’t believe it, why be involved in politics at all?
You don’t think these leaders mean it when they talk about their communities’ needs?
cannoneosays
Good point–mayors have to speak to DC on urban issues.
cannoneosays
A few too many “light-hearted” questions for my taste here.
Apologies for spotty blogging–internet connection problems.
What do you think? Who won and what emerged as key issue?
fenway49says
He obviously thinks he can score points with EB3’s “Courtney Mayflower” set in Boston proper with his union-bashing, but it’s really quite unappealing to me.
cannoneosays
Yeah, I thought Connolly (with Braude and Eagan’s help) set up that issue around the flyers expertly for maximum impact–but it all depends on the assumption that unions are bad actors and that labor is all cost, no asset. It drives me nuts too–it’s so unbelievably short-sighted.
fenway49says
but I consider it disqualifying for anyone claiming to be “progressive.”
jconwaysays
I’d agree, but like I’ve said elsewhere, that term has been misappropriated. In my granddads day nobody could bash unions and claim to be called a Democrat let alone a progressive.
Kosta Demossays
who’s grateful for the things the labor movement has acheived for me and my neighbors over the last 100 years. I’m grateful enough to feel obliged to tell my union brothers and sisters when they are acting like ***holes.
It’s a sacred obligation.
dasox1says
I’m a progressive and pro-union but the city needs to be run by someone other than a labor executive if we’re going to promote the city’s fiscal health.
Kosta Demossays
doesn’t mean it is good or smart. I believe in the right to organize, not in ideological laziness.
ryepower12says
no arguments over why unions are wrong about the issues they care about here, just incessant finger waving and attacks.
ryepower12says
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dasox1says
No, it depends on no such thing. By paying wages, benefits, and pensions that the City cannot afford, home owners will have to pay more in property taxes and/or city services will be cut. The city’s bond rating will go down and borrowing costs will go up. That disporportionately impacts the lower middle class, and middle class who consume services and cannot afford higher property taxes. Public employees are critical, need to be faily compensated, and they are in no way “bad actors and all cost.” Quite the contrary. I know, that’s just your bizarre way of setting up a straw man that’s easy to knock down.
cannoneo says
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cannoneo says
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cannoneo says
Great point, under-appreciated.
cannoneo says
“drawing a line” versus “respecting public employees” and “putting all the cards on the table.”
cannoneo says
From corporate giveaways to late night T hours, I like how Walsh always sees things from the point-of-view of working people.
cannoneo says
Look to what the endorsers say, not to cynical tealeaf-readers.
Kosta Demos says
Are you serious? Ever work in real politics?
cannoneo says
If you don’t believe it, why be involved in politics at all?
You don’t think these leaders mean it when they talk about their communities’ needs?
cannoneo says
Good point–mayors have to speak to DC on urban issues.
cannoneo says
A few too many “light-hearted” questions for my taste here.
Apologies for spotty blogging–internet connection problems.
What do you think? Who won and what emerged as key issue?
fenway49 says
He obviously thinks he can score points with EB3’s “Courtney Mayflower” set in Boston proper with his union-bashing, but it’s really quite unappealing to me.
cannoneo says
Yeah, I thought Connolly (with Braude and Eagan’s help) set up that issue around the flyers expertly for maximum impact–but it all depends on the assumption that unions are bad actors and that labor is all cost, no asset. It drives me nuts too–it’s so unbelievably short-sighted.
fenway49 says
but I consider it disqualifying for anyone claiming to be “progressive.”
jconway says
I’d agree, but like I’ve said elsewhere, that term has been misappropriated. In my granddads day nobody could bash unions and claim to be called a Democrat let alone a progressive.
Kosta Demos says
who’s grateful for the things the labor movement has acheived for me and my neighbors over the last 100 years. I’m grateful enough to feel obliged to tell my union brothers and sisters when they are acting like ***holes.
It’s a sacred obligation.
dasox1 says
I’m a progressive and pro-union but the city needs to be run by someone other than a labor executive if we’re going to promote the city’s fiscal health.
Kosta Demos says
doesn’t mean it is good or smart. I believe in the right to organize, not in ideological laziness.
ryepower12 says
no arguments over why unions are wrong about the issues they care about here, just incessant finger waving and attacks.
ryepower12 says
.
dasox1 says
No, it depends on no such thing. By paying wages, benefits, and pensions that the City cannot afford, home owners will have to pay more in property taxes and/or city services will be cut. The city’s bond rating will go down and borrowing costs will go up. That disporportionately impacts the lower middle class, and middle class who consume services and cannot afford higher property taxes. Public employees are critical, need to be faily compensated, and they are in no way “bad actors and all cost.” Quite the contrary. I know, that’s just your bizarre way of setting up a straw man that’s easy to knock down.