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National polls show big Clinton bump from debate ….

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The ABC – Washington Post poll out today confirm the debate helped Hillary Clinton a lot, Bernie Sanders a little and hurt Joe Biden :

HRC – 54 %   ( + 12 )     without Biden     ( 64 % )   ( + 10 )     among White D’s  ( 49 )     among non-White D’s     ( 61)

SBS – 23 %   ( + 1 )            ”        ”            ( 25  % )  ( + 2 )          ”             ”     ”   ( 32 )         ”            ”      ”   ( 13 )

JB – 16 %   ( – 5)

Hillary had a good week.  I just hope she can keep the momentum going.

Fred Rich LaRiccia

 

 

 

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  1. And here is a link to the article for those interested.

    It seems that Bernie may have hit a ceiling of about 25-30% of the Democratic primary electorate in most polls while Clinton is gaining at Biden’s expense. All the more reason I think Biden will pass, especially if his high water mark was 20% in September and has dipped to 16%.

    Sanders runs second at 23 percent, almost identical to his September number. The senator from Vermont, who has tapped energy among those in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, saw his support rise steadily through the spring and summer. The latest results mark the first time that his support has not moved from one month to the next.

    I didn’t see Sanders do enough at the debate to move the needle to attract committed Clinton or Biden voters, it is also interesting that O’Malley-BMG love aside, has not really gained significantly from this poll.

    Webb has apparently dropped out , Chafee should follow him, and I give O’Malley another move to get into decent single digits or double digits before folding.

    • Webb has apparently dropped out , Chafee should follow him, and I give O’Malley another move to get into decent single digits or double digits before folding

      I see he said a few months ago that

      “I believe we can bring a different tone to the Democratic Party. You’re right,” Webb agreed. “The party has moved way far to the left, and that’s not my Democratic Party.”

      Source: “Maybe Jim Webb Would Have Better Luck As A Republican”

      …about a party he only switched to in 2006! 😀

      I guess the party has seen a groundswell of more grass roots movement and economic justice issues in the past few years, but Webb really comes off silly when he acts as if the party left him. And it’s not like the establishment democratic party is well represented by Sanders and Warren.

    • I can think of one person who has expressed interest in supporting him here, though he has his defenders with regard to his Baltimore record.

      • O’Malley is the superior candidate on public education — I haven’t seen anything to believe that Sanders has issues with the Bush/Obama test-and-punish approach to education. He never gained traction, though, so I couldn’t be bothered to get too excited.

        • Admittedly, I have not dug deep on the candidates on education, but what was so great about O’Malley’s approach compared to those of the others, especially if a main concern is about the over-reliance on testing?

          Below is one of Sanders’s answers on the testing issue in the American Federation of Teachers’ questionnaire.

          I voted against No Child Left Behind in 2001, and continue to oppose the bill’s reliance on high-stakes standardized testing to direct draconian interventions. In my view, No Child Left Behind ignores several important factors in a student’s academic performance, specifically the impact of poverty, access to adequate health care, mental health, nutrition, and a wide variety of supports that children in poverty should have access to. By placing so much emphasis on standardized testing, No Child Left Behind ignores many of the skills and qualities that are vitally important in our 21st century economy, like problem solving, critical thinking, and teamwork, in favor of test preparation that provides no benefit to students after they leave school.

          • Sanders recently voted on the re-authorization of the No Child Left Behind, which eased up on some issues but still insisted on over-testing children, statistic validity notwithstanding. So did Elizabeth Warren, sadly.

            O’Malley, meanwhile, froze higher-ed tuition. He ensured access to more highly qualified teachers for minority students. He has broken with Sanders by not supporting punitive “turnaround” measures for low-performing schools.

            • It is interesting that locally the Pioneer Institute and MTA seem to be banding together against PARCC and Common Core. This is an issue where there could be creative left/right convergence against overtesting and dumbing down the curriculum. Meanwhile pro-charter former CPS CEO Barbara Byrd Bennett was in on the take in the Chicago tradition, as was Sacramento Mayor and the charter king to Michelle Rhee’s charter queen Kevin Johnson.

      • Drikeo for one, and Charley basically endorsed a significant part of his platform in a very visible front post. I’ll agree with you there isn’t significant support for him here, and overall, there are significant fewer candidates running than there were in 2008 and fewer BMGers posting compared to that period as well.

        If I recall, David backed Dodd in that race who arguably did better than O’Malley is doing now…

  2. He was overall a good Senator, voted with the party 91% of the time (better than Manchin or Donnelly), ended the reprehensible George Allen’s career, opposed the Iraq War, and was generally an economic populist and social moderate who voted with his state. He even had positions on criminal justice reform and NSA spying to the left of Obama. So it’s more than a little unfair to peg him as a Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman type, when it definitely isn’t.

    That said, he clearly wasn’t fit to be the nominee of a party that has decidedly become urban, culturally and socially diverse, and committed to a center left economic and environmental agenda. It is worth noting that on security and civil liberties he was closer to Sanders than to Clinton, and Bernie should take on his mantle of civil libertarian leadership and military restraint.

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