Today’s decision by Susan Collins and Joe Manchin to vote in favor of the Brett Kavanaugh nomination demonstrates why people such as my adult children check out of politics. It is very hard to answer my youngest son, now 25, who argues that the entire system is so corrupt that it is not worth his time and energy to participate.
Mr. Kavanaugh himself showed his extreme partisanship with his histrionics last week.
That, in combination with the widespread evidence of his perjury and the credible accusations of sex assaults by multiple women, should have been more than enough to torpedo this nomination. The FBI “investigation” is nothing but a big smear of lipstuck spread all over this pig.
With “friends” like Mr. Manchin, who needs enemies?
I say “a pox on all their houses”.
Mark my words — this Supreme Court will return America to the dark ages. We can expect abortion and birth control to be denied to women. We can expect civil rights legislation to be declared unconstitutional. We can expect the war crimes against immigrants to continue as more and more are gathered into concentration camps.
Things are going to get MUCH worse before they get any better.
All those Republicans who kept their composure while Puerto Rico waited a year for hurricane relief, and while deadline after deadline went by and hundreds of children are still not with their parents — get all weepy when Lenny and Squiggy’s buddy Brett has to wait a week.
“Susan Collins is the person who spends 20 minutes keeping everyone waiting in the restaurant while she decides what to order and then finally orders the same thing she always gets.” Paladin Cornelia
While I agree with each of these two comments, I want to single out Joe Manchin for similar criticism.
Can anyone tell me some votes where Mr. Manchin showed actual courage — times when his vote made a difference on matters that are central to the values of the Democratic Party that he professes an affiliation with. I remember his siding with us on the several attempts to repeal the ACA. What I don’t know is whether the decision was already made when he cast his vote.
I ask because he strikes me as the national equivalent of our own Colleen Garry.
I can’t remember a single vote as crucial as this for ever American who cares about objective jurisprudence and our rule of law. I am appalled that we’re doing this, and appalled that a “Democrat” is going along with it.
He voted to preserve the ACA (with John McCain). In particular, the July 28, 2017 Senate “skinny repeal” health care bill that went down 49-51.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/
Let me emphasize what drjat42 wrote: If West Virginia had two Republican Senators over the last 2 years, then 20 million Americans would have lost their health insurance.
20 million.
The lesson should be that elections have consequences and that it’s more important than ever to get involved and push for things to go your way. Frankly given a GOP President and Senate I have assumed all along that BK would ultimately get confirmed. As strongly as we may disagree with Collins’s and Manchin’s decisions, I see no corruption – just politics.
I agree with the sentiment that “elections have consequences.” But this is a refrain that Centrist Democrats have been throwing around for two years, apparently oblivious to the fact that the DSCC and Centrist organizations like MoveOn.org have been funding evil DINO incumbent bastards like Joe Manchin.. Today MoveOn had a change of heart, but the DSCC has no heart to change;
Supporting the wrong candidates has consequences too. Someone ought to send the Democratic Party a memo.
MoveOn is centrist now – LOL! It’s primary voters who decide nominees and the institutional party’s job to support whom they choose.
Why BK Christopher? Find someone on the Fed Society list, maybe even someone without a penis, and they would have been confirmed by the same margin as Gorsuch. The only courage I saw was Lisa Murkowski and Heidi Heitkamp doing the right thing and rejecting this flawed nominee.
I was very angry at Manchin but a friend who works for the Senate Minority Office reminded me of the ACA vote and also pointed out that had Collins gone the other way, Manchin would have been under immense pressure to join her. His vote ultimately is a symbolic signal to WV that he’s a different kind of Democrat. That mix of economic populism and social conservatism will win there. I’ll take it over across the board conservatism that denies healthcare to people and unions to workers.
Because he was the one who was nominated. I’m sure there are plenty of FS people without personal issues (though Dems should not be hesitant to reject them on philosophy alone either), but the way party politics usually works is that the president’s party will default to going along with him and in this case that party is in the majority.
You are acting awfully blasé about an awful nomination and broken confirmation process. It’s this kind of gentility and faith in the process that has gotten us in this mess. We should have fought harder for Garland and done more to keep Gorsuch and Kavanaugh off the court. When we were in the majority we should have eliminated Senatorial slips and the judicial filibuster to get our people confirmed.
Every time the Senate Democrats have a majority the willingly act like Charlie Browns to McConnell’s Lucy. Unlike that slick child, he is a sick man willing to burn down the Senate and endanger this country with a mad man in the White House in order to permanently enshrine corporate dominance in our Constitution. Why continue to insist on fair play when they hold no illusions that they are playing fair?
I didn’t say I liked it, but when the President and Senate are of the same party, this is generally how it works. Every Dem save one voted against Kavanaugh and I believe the same is close to true for Gorsuch, so I’m not sure what more you would have us do. Not sure why Obama did not recess appoint Garland, though. I also think whatever faith I have or don’t have in the process is irrelevant. We use the process we have, not the one we wish we had.
Was that an option for a court appointment? Pretty dumb that he did not do that if it were. His faith and optimism in the better angels of his opponents nature was a defining virtue and a fatal flaw simultaneously.
Yes, the last sentence of Article II, Section 2 gives the President the authority to fill all vacancies which should occur during the recess of the Senate, but the commissions expire at the end of the next Senate session. Since the previous paragraph listing the offices the President usually needs advice and consent to fill includes judicial seats those would be included in “all vacancies”. Even with pro forma sessions the Senate has to very least adjourn at the end of their term so there is a narrow window in which POTUS could grant these temporary commissions. If I were POTUS I would automatically invoke this prerogative for any positions left unfilled at the end of a term.
If you did not see corruption then you are an idiot.
Kavanaugh lied, outright, to the committee in multiple instances. Even had he told the straight truth throughout on the last day of the hearing he proved his compleat and unadulterated partisan bona-fides and thorough-going lack of composure. He is the very corruption of a judge.
Wholly apart from Kavanaugh’s perfidy, the committee chair ran this like a Stalinist show-trial, hiding truths (the thousands of documents released at the last minute, the truncated FBI investigation, the other witnesses) and using untruths (partisan accusations, etc) as evidence.
None of which is corruption, though certainly bad for other reasons. Corruption means that someone was bought off. If Manchin or Collins were bribed for their votes that would be corruption, and I see no allegation, let alone evidence of such. Please do not call me names.
I also disagree with Christopher’s point, but surely we can do so without stooping to Kavanaugh or Trump levels of name calling?
I’ll add that Justice Kennedy’s son was on the Trump payroll for nearly a decade and apparently helped select Kavanaugh. Along with the Bushes and establishment Republicans. So any claim Trump could plausibly make to being a different Republican or a swamp drainer is hogwash.
Collins was going to be facing a right wing primary from proto-Trump LePage, who probably just got a phone call from the Donald to back down. Unlike her other “pro-choice” Republican colleague Lisa Murkowski, she selfishly put her own career before the women of Maine and the United States.
Her moderation was always a smokescreen. She has always had a 70-80% ACU rating and was considerably to the right of the genuinely centrist Olympia Snowe or the comparatively liberal Margaret Chase Smith, the two Mainers she is often compared to. Her mentor Bill Cohen made his name as one of the few Republican House Judiciary Committee members willing to vote for impeachment against Nixon. Collins has gone out of her way to enable this Nixonesque White House in its corruption. So she is a part of it, even if she is not profiting directly from it.
Some faint-hearted etiquette fetishist removed my previous comment, but it is so to the point, so I’m going to try again:
Christopher, your vacuously narrow definition of corruption and your egregiously broad definition of ‘just politics’ are exactly the manner of accommodations upon the back of which every dictator who ever aspired to the term came to power.
Corruption is not simply bribery: it is from the Latin and means ‘with breaking’ and refers equally to laws, ethics, mores, honor and traditions. They are all being shredded and you’re cheerleading the shredding by laying them all under the term ‘just politics.’ That’s normalizing the breaking and ignoring the corruption.
Don’t want to be called an idiot? Don’t do or say idiotic things.
The only way out is through.
I just wish I could trade in the whole team and start over.
Being a Democrat these days is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Every single time.
Once again, THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OR THE RESPONSIBILITY of the Democrats. Don’t make it the responsibility of a the Democrats. Stop doing that!
There’s supposed to be rules. Somebody is supposed to say ‘Hey, this is a knife fight. Put the gun away….’ But they don’t. Not the media. Not the judges. Not the electorate.
Instead we get ‘hey, why you no bring gun to knifefight?’ Which is ridiculous and suggests that Democrats are as eager and willing to throw away the rules as the Republicans. They aren’t. The Democrats are the ones who believe in the rules and play by them.
The Republicans are the ones who lie and cheat and simply cannot win by the rules so they have to break them to gain power and keep on breaking them to maintain power. That is the only definition of the very label ‘Republican’ that means anything anymore. STOP SUGGESTING THAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE THAT VENAL ALSO
Which is why we keep losing. I highly recommend Fight Dirty as a book everyone here should read. This has been at least a three decade process to hijack the court and take it back to the 19th century. They have destroyed the rules and destroyed the process and stolen at least three seats, arguably five if we count the blatantly partisan ruling in Bush v Gore. Something Democrats forgave and forget that Republicans would still be railing about if we did that to them. They abused and discredited the impeachment process to nullify the majority election of a Democratic President. They abused the oversight process to depress the approval ratings of a presumptive Democratic nominee. Hillary, for all her flaws, did nothing wrong at Benghazi and was tarred and feathered by an out of control majority hellbent on personally destroying her.
We don’t do that. We sit like Feinstein on damaging information that would hurt the other side and frankly needed to be disclosed since it involved criminal behavior. We maintain the privileges of minority party senators to slip through that states nominees which they take away every time we are in the minority. We let them abuse the filibuster instead of destroying or reforming it when we are in charge. We let them hold a seat vacant for an unprecedented two year time but agree to rushed timetables to confirm flawed judges picked by a minority vote President with credible allegations of foreign collusion and corruption and assault hovering over him.
They persued impeachment over a consensual blowjob. We refuse to persue it over a devastating war waged on a presidential lie or a president installed with the help of our greatest geopolitical adversary.
It’s time to fight back and crush them. It’s not partisanship, it’s our patriotic duty.
Tom, the 50th vote for Kavanaugh was cast by Collins from Maine.
Keep in mind Murc’s Law: “Only Democrats Have Agency.” The media runs a lot of stories and narratives blaming the Democrats for bad ideas and policies decided by the power of the Republican majority in Congress. Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump pushed Bart O’Kavanaugh through, they prevented the FBI from doing a real investigation.
As for Manchin, remember that he knows his state. You can’t buy good seafood in West Virginia, and you can’t elect a liberal to statewide office there. Manchin’s first vote will be for a Dem Majority Leader every session of Congress, and Manchin voted to save the Affordable Care Act.
Maine is closer than West Virginia. Focus your efforts there.
As for me, I am going to spend this Saturday morning in a nearby neighborhood asking my neighbors to register to vote.
I hear you.
I grew up close enough to West Virginia that I have some familiarity with its culture, and I agree with what you write.
I’m disgusted with the whole thing right now. Everything. At the moment, I don’t much care where the fault lies, I’m just sick of all of it.
I’m starting to wonder how bad it’s going to get, and frankly how much time my family and I will have to flee if it comes to that. The residents of East Berlin had very little warning that the wall was going up.
I love Maine and will be canvassing my ass off against Collins and Trump in 2020 (his only New England electoral vote was from there). I was not always the biggest Susan Rice fan, but she has Maine roots and will be a strong contender. So will local progressive women like Chellie Pinigree. She’s beatable this cycle. This is not what her constituents wanted.
Oh you loved it. Your kid just doesn’t want to do politics with you. Better for him to have his own hobbies.
So you lost this time, so what. You’ll get em next time and then you’ll be back.
We Carry a Greater Burden
I’m as disappointed as anyone over what the Republicans have done to our country, and now our Supreme Court, but the biggest, most obvious lesson few people ever seem to learn:
Much of Republican strength comes from putting party first, at the expense of their constituents, at the expense of democracy, and the expense of the country. Democrats are stuck. If we lie, cheat, and steal like the GOP, we could increase our power, but because we actually believe in serving our constituents, preserving democracy, and keeping the American promise, we carry a greater burden. The word “democracy” was never a more important part of the Democratic Party than it is today.
I have to admit I have a lot of sympathy for the “system is corrupt” position. The Democratic party in this state has run the legislature for a while putting as many Speakers in jail as in the Legislative Hall-of-fame. Don’t be so proud.
Now it’s the Republicans chance to steal, don’t worry your chance will come around again.
I never really got the “system is corrupt” or “both parties are bad” voters who went for Trump. I really do not see how someone who made and lost several forturnes by manipulating the tax code and buying off machine politicians in New York can be entrusted to fix it. It’s why he ended up being just fine for most Republicans. A double down on the culture war white identity politics and a triple down on tax cuts and conservative justices.
Democrats have to start making a forceful case that the wealthy have to pay their fair share and soak the rich. Even the liberal ones like Soros or Bezos. Make them all pay more taxes and come up with a 21st century New Deal to reconnect the Akrons and Detroits and West Virginia’s of the world to the global economy.
These places do not need MAGA hats they need more immigrants. Look at Lewiston or Portland and the African refugees filling in the gaps. Look at rural Minnesota or Oklahoma or the economic engine bar is Texas and tell me immigrants aren’t a boon instead of a burden.
I think focusing on the economic and social transformations that have to happen and that go hand in hand is a powerful counter argument to MAGA. Far more powerful than the everything is fine argument we tried in 2016 or the Trump is too mean argument some are trying out for 2020. Make the case for America and the future we all deserve.
This process was another case of massive strategic mismanagement by the Dems. Holding the letter until the 11th hour was pathetically stupid. It created the opening for the right to claim last minute partisan hail mary as opposed to serious allegation. It fit perfectly with Trump’s witch hunt meme. Allowing Michael Avenatti anywhere near this was like trying to put out a forest fire with a flame thrower.
So Democratic “leadership” (ugh, new term please) managed to remind many on the right that were ready to sit November out why, even though they hate Trump, they still need to show up. They have demoralized their base with another pathetic effort. They have managed to seat another conservative justice for the next 30 years.
The Democrats aren’t even good checkers players. Yeesh.
No, pbrane, you are falling into the Murc’s law trap (“Only Democrats have agency.”) There is no secret strategy that will make Republicans vote against core Republican principles like stacking the court with rightwing extremists. In Maine, as JConway notes above, Collins had a threat from LePage on the right. In Alaska, Murkowski’s last victorious write-in campaign relied on Native Americans as a constituency and Kavanaugh’s judicial history does not respect the rights of Native Americans. Plus, Alaska’s problem of men raping women is terrible, really terrible. So Murkowski voting for Kavanaugh would have been shooting herself in the foot.
The Republicans have a decades long plan to stack the courts with Federalist Society members who will rule in favor of Republican big money donors.
They don’t know the meaning of the word “stop.”
I think whining about our leadership will not produce new results. You go to war with the army you have, Rumsfeld was at least right about that. Replacing accommodators with fighters is what blue state primaries are for. Ayanna and Alexandria are the future leadership of this party in the House. We need more women of color like them unafraid to wait their turn. Especially in aging white ethnic machine states like ours.
Yet in West Virginia the progressives insurgent came nowhere near Manchin in the Democratic primary. Even the Bernie backed pro-union candidate for the WV-CD-3, Richard Ojeda, is also pro-coal and pro-gun like you have to be to win in that state.
Joel gets it because he grew up in Arkansas. He grew up around Democrats who would have a Bible or a rifle in one hand and a union card in the other. Frankly, I wish our party was more comfortable with that kind of Democrat and less comfortable with the likes of Mike Bloomberg.
Leave off mythologizing the south, please. Massachusetts, the original home of two-fisted politics, has as much claim to moral authority as Arkansas: or did you forget the fighters with a bible in one hand and an abolitionist pamphlet in the other?
Mike Bloomberg hasn’t considered himself a member of the Democratic party since, at least, 2001. He governed as a Republican and has unequivocally proclaimed his independent status since leaving office. Your argument is not made better by the inclusion of things you have simply made up.
Oh, and really–no Democrat controls Michael Avenatti. He’s a thorn in Trump’s side but it’s not like Schumer or Pelosi can tell him to be quiet.
I think you drastically misread the process and come to exactly the wrong conclusion as a result.
The accusations from Ms. Ford were held confidential at her explicit request out of her desire to preserve her privacy if at all possible. If our claim is that we want to actually listen to what women have to say, part of that listening is paying attention to their requests about privacy. “No means no” applies to disclosing allegations like Ms. Ford’s, just like everything else.
The schedule for Mr. Kavanaugh’s confirmation could have and should have been adjusted as soon as these accusations were brought forward. This is not some sporting event with a fixed timeline. The meme of the “11th hour” is yet another GOP talking point that is utter hogwash.
Worse, you apparently embrace the GOP talking point that the accusers were deceitful pawns attempting a political assassination. That stance is insulting and degrading to women, to the accusers, and to Democrats.
Mr. Avenatti is a citizen like every other citizen, as well as being an effective advocate for his clients. Your comment presupposes that some mechanism exists for preventing him from making his statements and accusations. You apparently join the GOP and too many Democrats in heaping contempt on his client and on Mr. Avenatti.
The notion that the confirmation of Mr. Kavanaugh is somehow the fault of the Democrats is patent nonsense that flies in the face of reality and blames the victim.
What we’ve seen is another graphic demonstration of the eagerness of a totally corrupt GOP to shred the rule of law, the very foundations of the Republic, and all sense of decency and civility. In 1954, Joseph McCarthy was humbled by the phrase “Have you no sense of decency?”. America of 1954 — even the GOP of 1954 — cared about decency.
Today’s America, led by today’s GOP, has explicitly abandoned even the pretense of decency. The Trumpists of 2018 celebrate the barbaric and misogynist attitudes of this administration, its legislative enablers, and now even the Supreme Court.
We Democrats have fought that degradation and decline. We have been losing ground. We must regain that lost ground.
Commentary like this is not only not constructive but actively advances the corrupt and misogynist GOP agenda.
Nope, never going to happen. If they do this, there is no reason for the far right evangelicals to pour their money and votes to Republicans. It’s all Republicans have to “sell” and once that is off the shelf, there nothing to motivate these people. Republicans like McConnell, Kavanaugh, and the rest do not give a rat’s behind about abortion or a fetus or anything along those lines, but they know their “base” does, so they play to that base for votes.
So why do they play this game? They want the votes so they can continue to put the ownership class in full control and keep all the wealth created by the working class flowing to the self-appointed few. They can’t run on that platform, so they run on the ‘pro-life” mirage.
Even with a majority in the house, senate, control of the White House and now the courts, Republicans will tell their voters that “we need more votes” and “fewer Democrats in office” in order to overturn Roe.
It’s about money, not abortion.
And for the record, there lives a significant number of Democrats who play the same game, only in reverse.
I suppose we’ll all have to see what happens.
My prediction is that we’ll see states outlawing abortion and birth control within months, and we’ll see those cases before the Supreme Court by 2020. I think we’ll see the Supreme Court finding excuses to allow those restrictions — even if Roe v Wade isn’t overturned outright, it will be effectively made moot.
I can tell you that the Trumpists that I talked to you earlier this year absolutely view freedom of choice, gay rights, and legal access to contraception as the work of the Devil.
I can’t imagine anti-contraception laws being any more successful than Prohibition. Way too many people rely on it, including adherents to religions which officially frown upon it.
That’s supposed to be a comforting thought?
@ Christopher: I think you need to familiarize yourself with the provisions of Massachusetts general laws Chapter 272, Section 21A as follows (emphasis mine):
It is only because the Supreme Court ruled these provisions unconstitutional that they are not now in force right here in “liberal” Massachusetts.
Similar laws exist throughout America.
The fact that you are unable to imagine an America in which women are not allowed to obtain or practice artificial birth control is irrelevant to the question.
The evangelical Christian right wing has been pursuing this for generations. There is absolutely no reason for them to stop now that they have the power to impose their misogyny on the rest of us.
For your convenience, here are the sections referenced above:
Section 20 (emphasis mine):
Section 21 (emphasis mine):
These provisions make it illegal to even TALK ABOUT birth control.
I hope these citations will help expand your imagination, so that you can more seriously contemplate the threat that this new Supreme Court majority presents to every woman in America.
MA will repeal such laws in a heartbeat if there were any threat of them actually being the governing authority again. I believe we just officially liberalized our dormant abortion laws for the same reason. Plus part of what you describe should be obvious to a five year old that they are first amendment violations. It’s still technically against the law to take the name of the Lord in vain in MA too. Anyway, I still say good luck enforcing such laws that are bound to be nearly universally unpopular.
These laws have been on the books for decades. They were enforced for decades.
I remind you that our own Bill Baird is still alive and was jailed in Boston after distributing “a condom and a package of over-the-counter contraceptive foam to a female college student.”
His arrest and conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1972 (Eisenstadt v Baird).
I am surprised that your background in history makes all this so “unimaginable” to you.
The ability of women to legally obtain birth control is only a year older than Roe v. Wade. Many of the pioneers who obtained that freedom are still alive.
I suggest that you are in denial about how real the threat against women actually is.
Just a point of info. In July, the Legislature passed, and Gov. Baker signed, a bill repealing these statutes. Before the repeal, there was already a good argument that the statutes were unenforceable because they violated the state constitution, as the state Supreme Court ruled back in the 80’s, but it was good to repeal them outright. Other states lack these constitutional protections and the women living in them will be vulnerable if Roe is overturned.
I appreciate you updating the information I provided. I remembered that some statutes were (belatedly) repealed, I just wasn’t sure about which ones.
Just a point of order — these statutes made birth control illegal for unmarried women in Massachusetts. Even the revised language in the link seems to prohibit the condom vending machines found in many men’s rooms throughout the state.
I note that even in Massachusetts, even after the aforementioned update, the Massachusetts law criminalizing sodomy is still on the books:
Section 34 similarly criminalizes “the abominable and detestable crime against nature”.
These statutes were made unenforceable when the Supreme Court reversed the sodomy laws of Texas.
The Supreme Court is certainly able to reverse their reversal — and these laws suddenly make every gay couple and great many heterosexual couples (who enjoy these acts) criminal each time they consummate their relationship.
First, did MA enforce those laws prior to Lawrence v. Texas, and second, don’t you think our legalization of same-sex marriage renders those laws moot? Why are you so paranoid/pessimistic even about MA?
Christopher, you are a historian — how can you not know about the sad history of these issues?
A good starting point is Bill Baird.
I use Massachusetts as an example in this entire thread because of your comment that removing access to birth control is “unimaginable”. It is certainly imaginable to the many women prosecuted under these laws — not to mention facing drastically changed lives because of them.
We have now reversed at least some of these. It isn’t clear to me that our legalization of same-sex marriage provides immunity from prosecution under these laws, and certainly provides no protection at all for same-sex couples who are not married.
Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after me. The extreme religious right has been aggressively pursuing their agenda against women for my entire lifetime.
They are currently increasing their power and influence — the Supreme Court has not been so tilted in their favor in my lifetime.
I want to turn your question around — why are you so unconcerned about this attack on every woman in America?
I want to give a direct and personal answer to your final question.
I have three daughters, ranging in age from 22 to 35. I have a four month old grand daughter. I am married to woman who I love very much — a woman who chose not bear children at a very young age.
I am “paranoid/pessimistic” because the threat to the women I love is real and immediate — much more so than it has been since my college days.
Are you for real? Roe v Wade was decided in 1973 and we’re still fighting about it. You think this is ever going to be ‘off the shelf’? You think the Republicans are just going to say ‘fait accompli! What’s next?’ The rallying crying is going to be ‘we undid what they did. Now help us so they don’t redo it!’ Especially since a solid majority of the country will be in strong favor of re-doing it.
You think evangelicals, who by definition have been waiting just shy of two thousand years for Jesus to return their phone call, are just suddenly to become impatient and abandon the Republicans because of the lack of evidence of things unseen?
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Yes, we are fighting about it but the politicians in D.C. are not, at least not for real. It’s more like “Pro Wrestling” just to entertain the people in the stands who spend money on admission tickets and buy the souvenirs. Does anyone think that Mitch McConnell is fighting to end legal abortion? Hell no. He’s fighting to help the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. The same goes for all the Republicans and far too many Democrats. Again, none of this is about abortion for real, but abortion is one of those things that gets people to log on and donate $25 to their campaign.
Evangelicals are getting taken for a ride on this, but it’s all they have and the Republicans know it. The promise of ending legal abortions is the only thing Republicans have to sell to many of their donors. If they accomplish that, they have nothing more to sell and the $25 donations stop.
Then again it’s the same for far too many Democrats. They are afraid to point to Goldman Sachs and their ilk as the objects they will fight against, so they point to Roe as something they will fight for.
Meanwhile, both parties play footsie with the big money people, work to weaken labor laws, ease restrictions and regulations on the banks, and sign “trade agreements” that are little more than agreements between the ownership classes of nations to screw over the working class.