If another candidate does emerge Dems should be free to vote for that person within the caucus, but once the caucus has chosen a candidate that person should be able to count on every Dem vote on the House floor.
Trickle upsays
Show me the candidate.
Seth Moulton is a jerk because of what he is doing absent another candidate.
With that, he’s just doing the Republican’s work for them.
Christophersays
I’m hearing Marcia Fudge, but all I care about is the Dem nominee (preferably Pelosi IMO) ultimately get all Dem votes on the floor.
fredrichlaricciasays
Fudge is “ruminating”; not running, for Speaker according to her friend and Pelosi lieutenant, Majority Whip James Clyburn, who spoke with her this morning.
SomervilleTomsays
The Democratic circular firing squad is reporting for duty.
TheBestDefensesays
Moulton is proving to be so much worse than my original fears upon his election., all male ego and self-promotion. If I were a member of the GOP machine I would hope for his virus to be injected into the Democratic caucus..
Congress is a two party system, whether we like it or not. The GOP has laid ruin to the country. The Dems have re-taken a majority of the House and are poised to stop the Trump agenda and crash down upon his parade of corruption with the investigations that are needed to expose his and his family’s exploitation of government.
Moulton proposes to blow up the Democratic majority. Why?
Why?
Why?
Because in his first term in office Moulton decided he knows more about governing and politics than everyone else. He thinks that he can lead a rebellion to topple the:
– only chance we have to elect a woman to sit as one of the big three in DC;
– remove the singularly most progressive person in high government office;
– eliminate the best Dem fundraiser ever;
– replace the highest ranking progressive office holder in the land with Any Of The Above.
I think he is begging to get himself into a leadership position in exchange for selling out the fools who follow him.. It would be a shame to elevate his mushy middle politics over that of say, a genuine progressive like Rep Clark, because she plays a smart game and he plays the boy-ego politics game.
fredrichlaricciasays
“The anti-Pelosi push is coming from centrists who are still in the old cringe position, buying into GOP demonization (which happens to any strong Democrat) despite a huge midterm election.” Paul Krugman
johntmaysays
Moulton is also part of the NewDemPAC a group of Democrats who have a message of “Fiscal Responsibility” and want to cut regulations…..and yes, Beto O’Rourke is a member as well. as Bill Keating…it’s a strange website that, if not for the “Dem” word would sound like the Heritage Foundation.
I received an invitation to attend a “New Dem Pac” event in Boston. All I had to do was pony up about $1,200 in “donations”. I replied to the invitation that at the time, that was a month’s pay and would they grant me a free seat? There was no reply.
petrsays
Another twist on the old saw: “An independent (or in this case, centrist) is someone who despises Republicans but, nevertheless, believes everything the Republicans say about the Democrats.”
It would only be a cliche if it were overused… sigh.
Trickle upsays
The little boys think mommy is too mean and want daddy instead. Except there is no daddy, so they’re just pitching a fit. #Pelosi#FiveWhiteGuys
When Moulton backed the Ryan challenge in 2016, the electoral context was entirely different. The Democrats collectively lost a winnable election despite the toxic Trump being at the top of the GOP ticket. Now that Democrats have been returned to the majority and have an opportunity to check Trump, it makes little sense for Democrats to decapitate their own leadership at the height of its recent electoral triumph. It is ill timed ill advised grandstanding from the gentleman from Marblehead.
I’m so old I remember when Seth Moulton ran as an independent and talked about de-funding Social Security (he called it “entitlement reform”). I don’t have anything against Moulton for being from old money and an Ivy-League legacy, but if Seth does not understand that most Americans do not have his advantages and Social Security is a generational commitment that preserves dignity for the retired, then we will have to find a better Democrat than him.
pogosays
I have to ask for a fact check on the “old money” comment. Yes he’s from Marblehead and there are tons of streets in MA names Moulton. But he claims a modest background, took out loans for Philips Academy, scholarships, loans ect. for college and beyond, Dad is a lawyer, mom a teacher I think. And I’d really liked to know if he’s from “old money” because that means he lied to my face when I asked him about all the streets named Moulton and how far back was his roots (not far was the answer).
SomervilleTomsays
It was easy for me to find pieces like this that describe his family of origin. His parents (Thomas W. Moulton JR and Lynn M Moulton) met at Brown. Another piece describes their Marblehead home as a “two-story beige Colonial [] built in the 1960s for Tom’s parents”. His mother (Lynn M. Moulton) was described (in 2008) as a secretary at Mass General.
I don’t know what it takes to be “old money”, and I’m not sure it matters very much. Seth Moulton certainly has an Ivy-league legacy. The Moulton family name is larger than just streets — for example, Moultonboro NH (on Lake Winnipesaukee) is named for a Moulton.
So I doubt that he lied to your face about his roots. At the same time, a two-story colonial in Marblehead is decidedly more comfortable than what most working-class families call “home”. Brown University is among the most expensive of the Ivy League schools,
I also remember Mr. Moulton’s early years. His support for defunding Social Security was a terrible idea then and is a terrible idea now.
NorthShoreGrandmasays
I am glad to know that my husband and I are not the only ones who recall Rep. Moulton’s early support for defunding Social Security (we live in MA-06, so we’ve followed the congressman’s career closely). I don’t think Moulton has actually ever voted for Social Security cuts (though I can’t swear to that), but he’s definitely way too comfortable, in my view, with the language of “entitlement reform,” a dog whistle to the benefit-cutting crowd.
Christopher says
If another candidate does emerge Dems should be free to vote for that person within the caucus, but once the caucus has chosen a candidate that person should be able to count on every Dem vote on the House floor.
Trickle up says
Show me the candidate.
Seth Moulton is a jerk because of what he is doing absent another candidate.
With that, he’s just doing the Republican’s work for them.
Christopher says
I’m hearing Marcia Fudge, but all I care about is the Dem nominee (preferably Pelosi IMO) ultimately get all Dem votes on the floor.
fredrichlariccia says
Fudge is “ruminating”; not running, for Speaker according to her friend and Pelosi lieutenant, Majority Whip James Clyburn, who spoke with her this morning.
SomervilleTom says
The Democratic circular firing squad is reporting for duty.
TheBestDefense says
Moulton is proving to be so much worse than my original fears upon his election., all male ego and self-promotion. If I were a member of the GOP machine I would hope for his virus to be injected into the Democratic caucus..
Congress is a two party system, whether we like it or not. The GOP has laid ruin to the country. The Dems have re-taken a majority of the House and are poised to stop the Trump agenda and crash down upon his parade of corruption with the investigations that are needed to expose his and his family’s exploitation of government.
Moulton proposes to blow up the Democratic majority. Why?
Why?
Why?
Because in his first term in office Moulton decided he knows more about governing and politics than everyone else. He thinks that he can lead a rebellion to topple the:
– only chance we have to elect a woman to sit as one of the big three in DC;
– remove the singularly most progressive person in high government office;
– eliminate the best Dem fundraiser ever;
– replace the highest ranking progressive office holder in the land with Any Of The Above.
I think he is begging to get himself into a leadership position in exchange for selling out the fools who follow him.. It would be a shame to elevate his mushy middle politics over that of say, a genuine progressive like Rep Clark, because she plays a smart game and he plays the boy-ego politics game.
fredrichlariccia says
“The anti-Pelosi push is coming from centrists who are still in the old cringe position, buying into GOP demonization (which happens to any strong Democrat) despite a huge midterm election.” Paul Krugman
johntmay says
Moulton is also part of the NewDemPAC a group of Democrats who have a message of “Fiscal Responsibility” and want to cut regulations…..and yes, Beto O’Rourke is a member as well. as Bill Keating…it’s a strange website that, if not for the “Dem” word would sound like the Heritage Foundation.
I received an invitation to attend a “New Dem Pac” event in Boston. All I had to do was pony up about $1,200 in “donations”. I replied to the invitation that at the time, that was a month’s pay and would they grant me a free seat? There was no reply.
petr says
Another twist on the old saw: “An independent (or in this case, centrist) is someone who despises Republicans but, nevertheless, believes everything the Republicans say about the Democrats.”
It would only be a cliche if it were overused… sigh.
Trickle up says
(Just in case that won’t run, see https://twitter.com/jamielynncrofts/status/1062764012566466563)
jconway says
When Moulton backed the Ryan challenge in 2016, the electoral context was entirely different. The Democrats collectively lost a winnable election despite the toxic Trump being at the top of the GOP ticket. Now that Democrats have been returned to the majority and have an opportunity to check Trump, it makes little sense for Democrats to decapitate their own leadership at the height of its recent electoral triumph. It is ill timed ill advised grandstanding from the gentleman from Marblehead.
Trickle up says
That was a challenge. This is a tantrum.
Trickle up says
Alexandra Petri (WaPo) nails it.
joeltpatterson says
I’m so old I remember when Seth Moulton ran as an independent and talked about de-funding Social Security (he called it “entitlement reform”). I don’t have anything against Moulton for being from old money and an Ivy-League legacy, but if Seth does not understand that most Americans do not have his advantages and Social Security is a generational commitment that preserves dignity for the retired, then we will have to find a better Democrat than him.
pogo says
I have to ask for a fact check on the “old money” comment. Yes he’s from Marblehead and there are tons of streets in MA names Moulton. But he claims a modest background, took out loans for Philips Academy, scholarships, loans ect. for college and beyond, Dad is a lawyer, mom a teacher I think. And I’d really liked to know if he’s from “old money” because that means he lied to my face when I asked him about all the streets named Moulton and how far back was his roots (not far was the answer).
SomervilleTom says
It was easy for me to find pieces like this that describe his family of origin. His parents (Thomas W. Moulton JR and Lynn M Moulton) met at Brown. Another piece describes their Marblehead home as a “two-story beige Colonial [] built in the 1960s for Tom’s parents”. His mother (Lynn M. Moulton) was described (in 2008) as a secretary at Mass General.
I don’t know what it takes to be “old money”, and I’m not sure it matters very much. Seth Moulton certainly has an Ivy-league legacy. The Moulton family name is larger than just streets — for example, Moultonboro NH (on Lake Winnipesaukee) is named for a Moulton.
So I doubt that he lied to your face about his roots. At the same time, a two-story colonial in Marblehead is decidedly more comfortable than what most working-class families call “home”. Brown University is among the most expensive of the Ivy League schools,
I also remember Mr. Moulton’s early years. His support for defunding Social Security was a terrible idea then and is a terrible idea now.
NorthShoreGrandma says
I am glad to know that my husband and I are not the only ones who recall Rep. Moulton’s early support for defunding Social Security (we live in MA-06, so we’ve followed the congressman’s career closely). I don’t think Moulton has actually ever voted for Social Security cuts (though I can’t swear to that), but he’s definitely way too comfortable, in my view, with the language of “entitlement reform,” a dog whistle to the benefit-cutting crowd.