He might have meant that the state ought to work with unions before shoving participation in the Commonwealth’s GIC down the throats of teachers and communities that don’t want it. Some union locals have negotiated higher salaries in exchange for paying a higher percentage of their insurance premiums. Others have negotiated lower salaries in exchange for their employers paying a higher share of their premiums.
He might have also been talking about the Commonwealth sticking Gloucester with a charter school it didn’t want.
He might have also been referring to including teachers in decision-making of their schools and districts.
From the Globe editors’ point of view, however, cooperation from teacher unions means unions not protecting their works from changes in their working conditions or benefits. It means shutting up. It means doing what management wants. Being a willing partner means teachers unions ceasing to protect their members.
sabutai says
I think that editorial was in the draft stage when it was accidentally sent to printing, because the whole column doesn’t make sense. The column, broken down, reads as thus:
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lightiris says
is slipped in front of Teach for America in the first paragraph like this reputation is common knowledge, a forgone conclusion. Cute. “Acclaimed” by whom? By what measure? And based on what?
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jimc says
This is purely anecdotal, but I’ve never met anyone with anything bad to say about Teach for America.
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sabutai says
TfA is merely the handiest club with which the Globe can beat the BTU.
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p>I haven’t heard much bad about TfA, save that Michelle Rhee got her teaching “experience” through them.
lightiris says
I’m not a fan of teacher prep programs in general, so if TFA can produce great teachers, I’m all for looking at what they do. But I have heard and read of others who describe TFA as putting out the equivalent of 90-day wonders, so there are critics out there.
bob-neer says
“I have heard and read of others” is hard to follow-up for the interested reader đŸ™‚
sabutai says
I think it’s funny that we mere bloggers are more given over to backing up our statements than the pundits at the Globe…
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p>Stanford does deeper, more comprehensive, and more rigorous research on teaching outcomes than anyone. Here is a study (albeit 4 years old) that shows certified teachers outperforming TfA folks.
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lightiris says
I’ll try to find some more, too. I know they’re out there.
lightiris says
Grrrr…..lemme look around. lol. It’s coming up on 9 PM, the official bedtime of teachers (in my school).
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christopher says
You say “I’m not a fan of teacher prep programs…” Why in the world would you not favor programs to help would-be teachers (or any other profession) prepare for their chosen career? It sounds like you’re saying you don’t favor education in one’s field so that people will be competant in that field. Please clarify.
lightiris says
There are significant holes in the way we train teachers. Having supervised my share of student teachers through many a practicum, I can tell you that each and every one had significant deficiencies in several areas: classroom management, classroom persona, differentiated instruction, content area knowledge, and skillful assessment. All of the students had lovely and thoughtful lesson plans, complete with beautiful plastic sleeves bound in lovely three-ring binders, but a lovely lesson plan, as thoughtful as it may be, doesn’t mean shit if the teacher can’t a) implement it effectively or b) anticipate and plan for bombing contingencies.
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sabutai says
I would agree with the areas you highlight, and it still disturbs me that after a licensing program and five years of “professional development”, I’ve never been given any training in classroom management. Frankly, I lost a lot of hope for useful education reform when Deval hooked up with the head of BSC, a notorious practitioner of the fussy, bureaucratic, and ultimately pointless approach to pedagogy.
lightiris says
One year I supervised a bright young woman with spectacular lesson plans–for middle school. She was a big fan of color-coded sticky notes and flash cards, brainstorming, etc., and generally held that this sort of stuff used in 20-minute activities was the backbone of a good lesson. That’s a lovely thing in middle school, but in high school, not often the case. They tore her up. As it turned out, she was not really prepared at all to be the didactic figure in front of the room. Worse, she really was unprepared to teach the text she was supposed to teach, Long Day’s Journey Into Night. She didn’t know the first thing about Modernism, she didn’t know anything about Eugene O’Neill, and she hadn’t read the play or any criticism about it. We deferred the drama until I could teach her what she needed to know and point her in the right direction for criticism. Not good. Adding insult to injury, her advisor had been a middle school history teacher, so he was not particularly helpful for someone hoping to teach high school English. He dinged her on several aspects of her instruction that I thought were well done–like when she bailed on a bombing activity and had the courage to admit it in class.
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mark-bail says
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cannoneo says
The rap on TFA is not exactly that it doesn’t help the schools it enters, but that its benefits are minimal and it has a destructive influence on education reform because its unscalable model is so beloved of uninformed pundits like the Globe’s ed board. It is essentially a charity. But it masquerades as a reform model because it allows upper-middle-class folks to imagine lazy, frumpy, middle-aged ignorant teachers from middling state schools being replaced by young, attractive, energetic, idealistic grads of elite colleges.
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p>TFA is not supposed to be a cure-all. But USA draws our teachers from the bottom third of college grads. Not true in many other nations.
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sabutai says
“It seems that any organization or reform effort trying to contribute to improving urban schools gets walloped on BMG.” And it seems that any idea that politicians label “reform” will get a staunch supporter from GGW, regardless of outcomes. Speaking personally, I have not been shy to propose reforms, even if they don’t align with current political interests.
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sabutai says
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shane says
Or, the children of the lurkers, at least. I’m here for every education knock-down drag-out you (plural) have, since my children will be entering the system in the next couple of years. Right now the options are:
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p>Thanks again for the input!
sabutai says
Many of us have our emails on our profiles, should you want more detailed responses to your particular issues. I’m sorry you are confronted by what your local school officials, neighbors, and private concerns have done to narrow your idea of acceptable choices.
mark-bail says
that get walloped. Education reform has been a 15-year bitch slap to public education.
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p>-American education is in crisis.
-Without the intervention of legislators, our country will be economically outpaced by China and India.
-Teachers are the problem with public education.
-Unions are the problem with education.
-Test scores give precise measurements that should guide policy and be used to evaluate teacher performance.
-Schools should be run like businesses with test scores as profit margins.
-Charter schools provide competition that will spur public schools to “improve.”
-Charter schools are inherently “innovative.”
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goldsteingonewild says
…American education is not in crisis, then you’re right, why do we need “solutions”?
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christopher says
I am sympathetic to the first two premises in the comment above yours. It seems every time you turn around there is another survey that shows American students behind their counterparts in other countries, including in some cases countries we assume lag behind us in the modern development department. Other surveys don’t compare us to other countries, but do give percentages of students who don’t know (fill in basic fact) and such percentages are sometimes embarrasingly high. I do favor tests to evaluate STUDENTS because there are some things you should just know – period. Barring a diagnosed learning disability or other special need we need to get tough and say if you can’t do X you don’t get promoted. We also need to encourage independent learning and figure out how to make people generally aware. A music teacher I have worked with often made note of basic relevant historical and literary facts just because she felt students should in general “have a clue” (her words) even if it was about something one doesn’t generally expect a music teacher to discuss.
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MOM: “That’s Ronald Reagan; he’s the President.”
ME: “What’s a President?”
MOM: “He’s the leader of the whole country.”
ME: “Has he always been President?”
MOM: “No, we choose a new one every few years; he is our 40th President.”
ME: “OK, so who was the first President?”
MOM: “His name was George Washington.”
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goldsteingonewild says
Here’s someone who agrees with you.
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christopher says
I was hoping your link would include the test, but I’m sure it can be found somewhere. I remember a few years ago PA Governor Ed Rendell chaired some sort of civics awareness commission and he expressed exasperation that many students didn’t know there were 100 US Senators. “All you have to do is multiply 50 states by two Senators per state!” he exclaimed incredulously. I found myself very cynically thinking, “Yes, Governor, but that assumes three things: you know there are 50 states; you know each state gets two Senators; you are capable of multiplying 50 by 2.” Another example is a political cartoon I once saw featuring two kids chatting in the school yard. The first kid says to his friend, “Forty percent of my class didn’t know Washington was our first President!” to which the second kid replies, “Wow – that’s more than half!”
lightiris says
citizenship (or used to as recently as two years ago) test as part of their history curriculum. You can probably get some information there.
sabutai says
The US Government releases a bit of a “study guide” for prospective test-takers that may be one of the most clear-eyed, concise examinations of American history I’ve ever seen.
dcsurfer says
Students aren’t taught about the “Father of the Country” any more, indeed that phrase has been purposefully erased and replaced by the phrase “Founding Fathers”, in order to both minimize the significance of George Washington’s unique and heroic role in the founding of the country, and to undermine the meaning of fatherhood and heroism itself, brainwashing the plural “fathers” into children, as if there can be more than one, and they are all the same. Ignorance of George Washington is a great victory for some people.
mark-bail says
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lasthorseman says
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John Taylor Gatto
petr says
I think the adversarial model of union/management in tension and opposition is acceptable for making cars and other commodities, if, only because, when the union/management interface breaks down, the cars don’t go on to spend the rest of their lives locked into a socio-economic trap.
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I have a somewhat different take on where go from here, spurred by your adjective “agrarian” in your last sentence.
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petr says
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somervilletom says
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p>I think we need to value excellence. I think we need to celebrate excellence in our children’s behavior in school, demand it in our children’s educators, and pay for it at tax time. I’d like to see Hermione Granger held up as a role model more often than Barbi and her many clones.
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p>I wrote more about this last spring. The current model has failed. I don’t want more of it, and I resent being told I should step back and get out of the way when I criticize it. When the compensation of the average teacher rivals that of the average cardiologist — and when the NEA holds the average teacher to professional standards comparable to those the AMA applies to the average doctor — then and only then will I be receptive to “letting teachers teach”.
christopher says
…about your daughter being criticized for selecting “complicated words” is absolutely unbelievable! Here I was thinking that teachers should ENCOURAGE the expansion of one’s vocabulary – how silly of me! As someone who’s also been “accused” of using “big words” (by peers, fortunately never by teachers as far as I recall) I can sympathize. When I substitute teach I tell students I may use an unfamiliar word when I speak to them, but they should raise their hand and ask what it means since chances are half the class is wondering the same thing. Hearing words used in context and getting into the habit of using them yourself will internalize definitions a lot more thoroughly than memorizing a list for this week’s test only for them to be mostly forgotten in a month.
lightiris says
There has been continuous debate over the most effective method for teaching vocab, and I have seen both methods–contexual and explicit–used successfully. Rote memorization, while boring, does have its place. Understanding through demonstrated usage, however, is preferable. When we test vocab in my department, the preferred method is to let the student tell you what the word means in their own words and then attempt to use it in a sentence that demonstrates meaning. In a heterogeneous classroom, this approach is essentially required.
somervilletom says
It doesn’t matter what method her teacher was using. My daughter was and is excited by learning, verbal, and loves words. She chose words that she loved, she thought she was doing what her teacher wanted, and she was already somewhat fearful that she was “too smart”.
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p>She was fully able to say what her chosen vocabulary means in her own words, those were words she used all the time, and she was eager to use them in sentences that demonstrated their meaning. Holding her up to her class as an object of ridicule exemplifies the sheer cruelty that too many children — especially gifted children — experience daily in public schools. It is especially inappropriate for that ugly lesson to come from her teacher.
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p>I will accept no excuse or rationalization for ridiculing her in front of her peers, especially when that ridicule was prompted by her verbal excellence.
christopher says
…either to the offending teacher or the principal? If so I would be curious as to the result. Lightiris refers to heterogeneous grouping above and that does seem to be the norm, but when I was growing up we segregated by ability level in reading and math as far back as elementary school. It is unfortunate in my opinion that my town (I substitute teach in the same system I attended.) no longer does that. Whenever Prop. 2 1/2 forced budget cuts the gifted and talented programs were always the first on the chopping block because they were considered luxury, yet the law protects the services for kids on the other extreme of the spectrum. I’m in no way suggesting that special needs services should not be protected, but I very much wish that we would acknowledge that the need to be challenged IS ALSO a “special need”. In my case the other thing teachers would give me a hard time about was not showing every step of my work in math even though I usually got the ultimate answer correct. The flip side of the “No Child Left Behind” coin is “No Child Held Back”. We must without hesitation, question, or budget hinderances, serve the needs of our top students as well.
somervilletom says
After we talked about it, she decided that she preferred to handle it herself, which she did. Her school system does not have a “gifted and talented” program and it shows.
sabutai says
“Her school system does not have a “gifted and talented” program and it shows.”
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p>There are, I believe, two systems south and east of Boston with such a program (Barnstable and Framingham). I can’t speak for other regions, but policymakers in DC and Boston have structured the system to run against the needs and interests of gifted and talented students.
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petr says
I did not mean to imply that present rates of teacher pay was adequate. It clearly is not. Myself… in a rare confluence, I was offered a teaching position at a local High School and I was offered my present position, in the financial industry, on the same day. Taking the teaching position would have cut my salary by nearly 60%, which I simply couldn’t do. Frankly, I don’t know how teachers do it. I had pursued the teaching without realizing just how much of a pay cut I’d be required to take. Though I’m given to understand that I might see dramatic rise in pay if I ‘stuck it out’.
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p>But I don’t see anything radical, drastic, or altogether shifting of the paradigm by paying teachers more. Degree versus kind. It ought to be simple: pay better salaries and the salaries will be taken by better workers. I therefore think the issue of pay, which we both agree upon, is orthogonal to ‘letting teachers teach’.
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p>I too, have children with impressive vocabularies. I used to drive my mother-in-law absolutely nuts by refusing to talk down to my children. “They don’t understand those words!!” she’d say when they were 3 and 4. True enough, then… Now, after exposure and discussion, it’s not an issue. But, I’ve also been forced to deal with people who have some idea and/or authority, like my mother-in-law, and your daughters teacher, about what ‘ought to be’. I don’t think such attitudes are a systemic problem for teachers any more than for mothers-in-law… but perhaps I’m off base here, with so small a sample size.
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p>That’s a nice vision. As I’ve been at pains to point out, the NEA, much unlike the AMA, is fighting a rear-guard action against over-eager and meddlesome public-policy wonks and heavy-handed bureaucrats who’ve turned the debate into a circus. The NEA has a congressional charter to answer to as well as a Secretary of Education AND a Secretary of Labor IN ADDITIOM to local (state) iterations of these policy entities. Under most versions of ‘let teachers teach’ I think the NEA would be a vastly different organization and one more in alignment with your vision. Or, put another way, you can argue and fight me, and nobody gets what they want, or you can agree with me and, if implemented, we both get what we want. win win.
lightiris says
I have two recent and telling experiences with school architecture. The first experience is with the building I currently teach in. It’s brand new and won a major national architectural award for its design. While some shortcomings have become apparent, in general, however, the building is a joy to work in. The building is a crescent, built on the mall concept with classrooms on three levels along one side. There are no corridors to speak of. The balconies frequently freak people out because it’s a long drop from that third floor down to the first, but the design helps immensely with visibility and control. From the center of the building on the third floor connector, you can see virtually the entire interior of the school. There is an atrium, which serves as a meeting place and cafeteria and plenty of ambient light from enormous skylights. The building is wide open, inviting, and aesthetically pleasing. Carpeting, too, keeps the building quiet, and the technology is first rate. The school, housing 800 kids, was built on time and under budget. We had been in a building that was originally built in 1935.
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p>In response to the new building, new attitudes, and new ambience, student behavior and engagement improved measurably. Students now express pride in their building and themselves, and understand that they are valued by the community.
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p>My other experience is with a project that was supposed to be a $50 million renovation and expansion that turned into a $91 million nightmare. The building committee will be discharged next month after seven years of service. Seven years. Without dredging up the gory details, the renovation portion is just that. There’s not a lot one can do with a maze of corridors built in 1957 or so. The additions are lovely, but the core of the building still feels institutional. That said, the building is beautiful and the facilities top notch. The high school, by the way, is enormous, too, housing roughly 2000 students. Sadly, we could have had a brand new building for less money had there been community support. This year, after over six years of construction, our student achievement scores went through the roof, and students themselves as well as teachers attribute at least some of this improvement to the quiet new facility. The school performs in the top 10 percent of Massachusetts high schools.
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p>So, to your point, schools require thoughtful planning by professional educators and architects. The bunkers we’re used to seeing (and attending ourselves) convey subtle messages to students about what the school is designed to do, i.e., house, and what the community values.
lightiris says
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p>No other profession has as many backseat drivers as public education. No other profession is governed at the state level by bureaucrats who have no qualification in the practice they are regulating. It’s ridiculous.
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p>Part of the problem here is contempt bred from familiarity. Everybody’s an expert on teaching and learning. Everybody. Why? Everybody has an educational experience s/he views as emblematic and instructive. When people who have no formal education in pedagogy start lecturing me on what I should be doing in my professional life, I usually try to get them to see their error by using the following analogy: you have a beating heart, but that doesn’t make you a cardiologist. You went to school, but that doesn’t make you an expert in education. People usually shut up right about there.
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p>Part of the issue here is governance. Our locally controlled model is outdated, irrelevant, and, often, counterproductive. I’m elected to one of the largest school committees in the state–there are 20 of us. I’m in my third three-year term, so I’ve seen a fair amount. Some of what I’ve seen is downright frightening. Professional educators, just like professionals in every other industry, should a) be responsible for their own quality control, b) be responsible for their own research and development, and c) responsible for the standards that apply to competent practice. They should be licensed by a board comprised of experienced professionals with demonstrated expertise.
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p>Getting the armchair quarterbacks out of the room and the discussion would be immensely helpful in moving education forward. That’ll never happen, though, given the commodification of children and the deprofessionalizing of the industry.