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NECN on Baker-Perry Rally: “Protesters were almost as loud as the crowd”

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That’s because there is a broad swathe of public opinion in Massachusetts that does not support child molesters, or the people who enable them. “Hide Your Daughters!” (see clip) is exactly the kind of sign Charlie Baker must have expected he would have to run against for the rest of this campaign when he decided to put Perry, or Party, ahead of principle. His unexpected belly flop, however, was his inability, almost exactly as in Wednesday’s Howie Carr interview, to explain his high profile support for “embattled Jeff Perry” (NECN’s term). Reporter: “Has Jeff Perry answered the questions?” Baker: “I’m here to support the slate.” Well, now there is a powerful answer: passionate, emphatic, and shot through with reason, principle and leadership < / utter sarcasm >. Who on earth is advising this man. Oh yes, the same team that steered Kerry Healey into the cement wall of a darkened parking lot. Now I know where I have seen that kind of nonresponsive answer and wooden reliance on talking points before.

Take a look and judge for yourself. Hat tip to the ever-alert johnk for the link:

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  1. sign a past supporter of Gerry The Molester Studds?

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    p>You guys really are amazing. Perry has done absolutely nothing wrong, but you guys have nothing else to run on this year.  This whole sideshow has been great at helping you ignore the largest single month job loss in 20 years hasn’t it.

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    p>It’s pretty sad.  

      • A judgment was made against the town that such sexual abuse was systemic. No such judgment would have occurred were it just Officer Flanagan.

      • If he did he would have stopped it. But you know that don’t you Sabutai.

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        p>Gerry Studds on the other hand at 46 years old used his position of power to have “consenual” sex with a 17 year old teenaged page.  

        • being the fine and excellent judge of character he is, he wouldn’t have believed his lying eyes.

          As for scare quotes around “consensual”, I do appreciate your “argument”. Your “point of view” here has helped a lot to uncover the “truth”. I like your fealty to the facts as you “see” them.

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          p>I hope you continue to “contribute”, if you know what I mean.

    • I’ve been trying to ignore your deceitful comparison between the late Gerry Studds and Jeff Perry, but enough is enough.

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      p>Let me try and spell out some differences for you.

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      1. Lisa Allen was 14, the partner of Gerry Studds was 17. The legal age of consent, for both parties, was 16.
      2. Lisa Allen was forced, “screaming” and “crying”, to submit to a criminal sexual assault. The relationship between Gerry Studds and and the page was consensual.
      3. Lisa Allen complained about the behavior of Jeff Perry during the investigation (when she was only 14). The partner of Gerry Studds told congressional investigators that the relationship was consensual and that he did not feel intimidated.
      4. Lisa Allen came forward fifteen years after the episode, during Jeff Perry’s campaign, and publicly criticized his role just as she had earlier privately criticized him to investigators. The partner of Gerry Studds later appeared publicly with Studds in support of him (link).

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      p>Gerry Studds was censured by the House of Representatives. His behavior was distasteful, even reprehensible, because of the imbalance of power. Nevertheless, Gerry Studds committed no crime. Unlike Jeff Perry’s situation, at no time did the partner of Gerry Studds ever complain about the relationship.

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      p>Let me remind you that Jeff Perry was the commanding officer of Scott Flanagan and was physically present while Scott Flanagan committed two separate criminal sexual assaults against underage women. Jeff Perry went so far as to attempt to intimidate the father of another victim. Jeff Perry subsequently lied to the Board of Bar Overseers about the circumstances of these episodes.

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      p>When you attempt to conflate these two very different situations, you lie. You lie about the situation with Gerry Studds (our younger readers might not remember the facts), you lie about Jeff Perry, and the implication of your comparison is dishonest.

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      p>Your repeated lies about this only worsen an already disgusting reality.

      • http://www.southparkstudios.co…

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        p>EaBo: “Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, District Attorney Keating would certainly want you to believe that Jeff Perry stood by and watched a fellow police officer sexually assault a fourteen year old girl nearly twenty years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself. But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one, final, thing I want you to consider.  Ladies and gentleman, this is Chew-bacca. Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca… LIVES …on the planet Endor. Now think about that. That does NOT MAKE SENSE.

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        p>”Why would a Wookie, an eight-foot tall Wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does NOT MAKE SENSE! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this election? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this election! It does NOT MAKE SENSE! Look at me. I’m a right-wing blogger defending my right-wing candidate for congress, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you’re in that jury room deliberatin’ and conjugatin’ the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does NOT MAKE SENSE! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must vote for Jeff Perry! The defense rests.”  

    • Perry has done absolutely nothing wrong

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      p>EaBo, you could have made an argument that what he did “wrong” was in the past. You could have made the argument that the other officer was the one responsible for what happened and Perry had an unfortunate laps of judgement for not interceding. But you can’t argue that Perry did nothing wrong, as he watched from 15 feet away as a woman was being molested by a fellow police officer.

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      p>Did you hear that sound? It was the sound of your credibility being torn asunder.

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      p>PS. Your comment also reminds me of this:

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      • He did not Watch from 15 feet away as the officer did something.  That did not happen.  This was a fluid scene involving three cops, three police cards and 5 suspects one an adult male and three other teenage males.  

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        p>That’s the thing.  Perry did not sit there and watch and you know that don’t you, but you keep repeating it.  It just didn’t happen.  

        • Because he was so very honest when he said he filed a police report and that he got authorization to visit the girl’s parents on the second incident.

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          p>We should believe him because, like, everything he said is true.

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          p>Or rather, eventually it is, once he’s forced to admit it.

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          p>Such an honorable man, that Mr. Perry.

        • Here’s the “key”, EaBoClipper:

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          p>Officer Scott Flanagan plead guilty to charges of criminal sexual assault because of his actions during this “fluid scene”, actions he performed while under the direct supervision and physical presence of then-Sergeant Jeff Perry.

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          p>That’s what did happen.

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          p>Want to talk about “repeating”? How about essentially the same crime happening on a different occasion with a different teenage girl? How about Sergeant Perry’s subsequent effort to intimidate the family of that girl?

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          p>Jeff Perry is not suited for national office. THAT is the “key”.

        • She claimed he was 15 feet away.  She was there.
          You claim he was not watching.  Were you there?

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          p>Look, the point is that he was close enough to hear, not that he was watching.  At fifteen feet away, he would have heard her cries and screams.  Any time a male officer is working with a 14 year old girl and she cries and screams, you damn well better put a second set of eyes on that situation.

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          p>To not do so was willful ignorance and willful negligence.  To then lie about it later is willful dishonesty.

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          p>So keep threading the needle of saying things which are technically correct but wholly irrelevant.  It doesn’t change the fact that you’re backing a full scale scumbag on this one.

          • Everytime a female 14 year old cries when being detained by the police everyone should run to that person and ignore the four other suspects at the scene when there are only 3 officers to control 5 people. yep that’s what should happen.

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            p>Give me a break.  

            • No, EaBoClipper.

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              p>What SHOULD happen is that every time a cop criminally molests a 14 year old with his CO five steps away, the CO should immediately bust the cop, get help for the victim, report the incident up his command chain, and do whatever is needed to ensure that that cop never gets another opportunity to do the same. What SHOULD happen is that every teenager should know that when she screams and cries for help, the police on the scene listen.

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              p>That is NOT what happened in Wareham, that is why Lisa Allen came forward now.

            • Perry has already been dishonest about his handling of the second incident in other ways particularly about whether he followed procedure, filed reports, etc. He lied — lied — to that girl’s parents. He told them he witnessed something he didn’t.

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              p>Yet, of the contradictory comments you choose to believe Perry over his accuser?

            • The guy supervised a criminal sexual assault. “He had to hear me screaming and crying.” Game over.

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              p>It’s impressive that you’re so committed to the cause that you won’t listen to reason, facts, or the weight of evidence and, instead, see everything through a political prism where even the most grotesque kind of misbehavior can be accepted because “he is one of ours,” and facts are only convincing if they help a Republican at the polls. (Queue feeble assertion that the Democrats are making the outrageous accusations and that poor, poor Jeffrey Perry is just misunderstood).

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              p>In the real world, however, this bad apple — fake degree, failed businessman etc. — is going to spoil the whole barrel of MA G.O.P. candidates so long as they stick by The Wingman. The longer they stand up for child molesters and those that enable them, the worse it will get.

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              p>We’ll see on election day.

              • Bob,

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                p>Note she never said HE SAW ME GET MOLESTED.  I’ve never seen her say that.  Yet a good majority of your on the left say she did.

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                p>I suggest to you that most 14 year old girls, especially from the suburbs, being detained by the police as they were found with an adult male and three other guys at least some of whom were doing drugs, would probably scream at being detained by the police.

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                p>The fact remains there were 3 police officers 5 suspects, three police cars with lights flashing, radios probably going off.  It was a chaotic scene. I think I can safely believe that Perry saw nothing.

                • …who has said that Lisa Allen said “HE SAW ME GET MOLESTED”.  I haven’t seen or heard anyone saying that – you’re employing a total straw-man argument.  Provide a link, please.

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                  p>Furthermore, what about the other incident on New Year’s Eve, when Perry tried to intimidate the family of the second victim?  Was it a “chaotic scene” at their house, when he lied to them about what he had “witnessed”?  When he lied to them about their daughter being in possession of marijuana?  When he was covering for Flanagan yet again?  Facts are facts, and the fact is that Jeff Perry clearly participated in a cover-up of the actions of a sexual predator with a badge.  

            • A male officer should never ever ever strip search a female.  Ever.

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              p>If that’s not clear enough,

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              p>No officer should never ever ever strip search anyone in custody without a second officer present.  Ever.

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              p>This is common sense stuff.

    • This whole sideshow has been great at helping you ignore the largest single month job loss in 20 years hasn’t it.

      Let’s see:

      1. This recession was caused by a failure in regulation.
      2. Perry would vote for Boehner as Speaker.
      3. Boehner has vowed to have a “moratorium on regulation.

      Conclusion: Republicans want us to have more recessions.

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      p>Hooray for Republicans!

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      p>If you’re feeling nostalgia for the frequent bank crises we had in the 19th century, the choice is clear! Vote Republican! Bring back the good old days! Or something.

        • How very logical!

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          p>I think you want more recessions so you’ll have more people to blame for recessions.

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          p>And blaming is soooo much more fun than prosperity.

          • Republican political operatives have ceased to have a scrupulous concern for the truth.

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            p>Truthiness suffices.

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            p>It requires less research, less accuracy, accords better with building a narrative, and is especially good when it conveys damning falsehoods with few words that require many words to refute.

    • If they were more than 15 feet away, you couldn’t hear them anyway. Even in a cranberry bog, at night.

      • BTW, she wasn’t there although Scott Yount was, and he said no such thing.

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        p>I was commenting on the truthfulness of your clip.

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        p>BTW, there were also three other people being arrested, another cop, and another cruiser in your deserted bog.

        • I stipulate I know nothing about how loud anybody was at the rally.

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          p>Your Perry is, however, a liar and a bad guy. Keep his felonious hands off of social security please.

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          p>My daughter is 12, so this is a little personal.

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