And they will decide to vote for someone else or not vote at all. I think Deval Patrick needs to get a group of respected prosecutors and defense attorneys to stand up publicly together to explain what our Constitution requires and to explain that Kerry Healey’s smear and fear campaign ultimately does harm to the protections in our Constitution.
roboy3says
The campaign did JUST that. They lined up Scott Harshbarger, Martha Coakley, a Republican who serves on the Board of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and Congressman Mike Capuano.
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All the press were there with there cameras. All the participants were GREAT! They were pointed, articulate, and unrelenting in their defense, and their counterattacks.
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The best line of the day, though, came from Martha Coakley, who started off saying something akin to, “I’ve been working in the court system for over X years, so I know the criminal justice system but I’m not sure I even know what a ‘career criminologist’ is…” It was great.
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Unfortunately, one hour after this press conference, the campaign had the candidate deliver a press conference 30 miles away in Worcester. Ummmmmm. You mean they couldn’t see that coming? That the press would drop the surrogates for the candidate?
brightonitesays
I like the pornography reference. I’m sure I. Michael Graham would eat this up. I can see it now:
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Deval Patrick believes in the rights of all inmates to masturbate
mo-josays
The Herald, was once revered as a legitimate new source, it has turned into Gossip Mongrels haven, as we all remembered the Herald endorsed AG Thomas Reilly for Governor.
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No doubt they have been caught in some political web of control.
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Bottom line, no one thinks of the Herald as a serious news source in 2006 gubernatorial election. For all who follow the campaign, it is good night Irene, when it comes to the Herald!
rollbizsays
But even more mystifying, they endorsed Deb Goldberg for LG.
rollbizsays
But even more mystifying, they endorsed Deb Goldberg for LG.
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MoJo – MILLIONS of people read the Herald. As many, if not more, than the Glob. They also listen to Howie, work in the trades, eat red meat, and admire the Patriots cheerleaders.
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If you lose this election, the attitude of this comment illustrates why. “…no one thinks of the Herald as a serious news source in 2006 gubernatorial election. For all who follow the campaign…”
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ALL who follow the campaign? Do you think you can win without your lunchbucket Democrats? Displaying such snootiness BEFORE YOU ARE ELECTED makes many Dems reluctant to trust you with any more power.
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(And MoJo – this is NOT personally directed at you. It is a pervasive attitude here, which you happened to encapulate beautifully. Please do not take personal offense, as none is intended.)
your specifics are wrong. “Millions” do not read the Herald, or the Globe for that matter (a big deal was recently made of the Globe’s circulation dipping below 400,000). And the Globe’s circulation is around twice the Herald’s, IIRC.
I’ve been challenged on this point, and I sadly do not have the statistical reference handy, but I clearly recall reading that in-state circulation figures put the Herald over the Globe.
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More importantly, which paper do undecided voters read? The typical undecided voter is middle-class, a habitual voter with low-to-medium news consumption. Sounds like a Herald teader to me.
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He said the LAST time the Glob changed hands, it was a newspaper with a web site attached. Now, it’s a web site with a newspaper attached.
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All those circulation stats are for hard copy, old fashioned delivery – and personally, I’d like to know if it includes newsstand sales or if it is home delivery. Lots of guys selling the Herald for 25 cents in the AM in Boston!
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I have not PURCHASED a Boston Glob for years, but I still know what it says every day. And I’m not alone.
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So really – we have no firm numbers on who is reading the Herald. But your response was still nit-picky.
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David-
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I read the Herald articles via the links posted above. I’m sure others did as well. Circulation figures may not be a good proxy for influence.
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centralmassdadsays
that your post is an excellent example of the phenomenon called “cocooning.”
I’m amazed the Herald can print such crap as news. The lead line of the first link was:
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Democrat Deval Patrick has championed the constitutional rights of convicted rapists and murderers, demanding they be given juice, clean sheets, cold tuna sandwiches, white underwear and properly inflated basketballs, records show.
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Using the Herald’s standards, it could be said that Kerry Healey has proposed giving convicted murderers and rapists a tax cut, demanding that they be allowed to use their money any way they see fit.
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I hope that Deval Patrick asks Kerry Healey if she has, or intends to propose legislation to take away juice, milk, proper ventilation, warm tuna, cold drinks, clean linens, and sports equipment from prisoners in Massachusetts prisons.
lrosensays
The man’s job at the time was to protect the civil rights of American citizens- not just the citizens who deserve it.
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So somebody combed through thousands of pages of letters Deval wrote when he was at Justice and picked out a few sentences that could be embarrassing. Big whoop!
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And does anyone really believe that Dave Wedge and the other hard-working journalists at the Herald actually did all this reading? Obviously, it’s from folks Healey paid to dig crap up.
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I have actually no problem with this, but last night Healey was on Howie Carr’s show and he was a crowing about more Deval letters coming out and a story the Herald would have the next day. Healey could barely contain her glee, but said she didn’t know what he was talking about and said to Howie, “you probably know more than we do.” She was obviously lying.
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I just hope Deval’s had the foresight to identify some obscure & misleading stuff in Healey’s background. I’m sure the Herald will be happy to write 5 articles about it.
Like I said on another thread, if Patrick had been up front, said, yes – I was involved until the DNA proved him guilty, I did have genuine questions about racism, to the extent that I helped to fund that DNA test..
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It would have been a non-story.
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As it is, his defensiveness and painstaking non-apology have provided a window into his holier-than-thou mindset, and THAT is what has damaged him.
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Not the letters – the furtiveness.
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Peter- that’s true, the response hurt more than the actual letters. Those were also when he was a private citizen.
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These one’s were from when he in charge of enforcing civil rights for the whole United States. My main point is that the Herald (which, of course, does matter- especially what’s on the front page) is over-trying to make a weak story into a shocking disclusure. And they are counting on poeple ignorance to do it.
theopensociety says
And they will decide to vote for someone else or not vote at all. I think Deval Patrick needs to get a group of respected prosecutors and defense attorneys to stand up publicly together to explain what our Constitution requires and to explain that Kerry Healey’s smear and fear campaign ultimately does harm to the protections in our Constitution.
roboy3 says
The campaign did JUST that. They lined up Scott Harshbarger, Martha Coakley, a Republican who serves on the Board of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and Congressman Mike Capuano.
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All the press were there with there cameras. All the participants were GREAT! They were pointed, articulate, and unrelenting in their defense, and their counterattacks.
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The best line of the day, though, came from Martha Coakley, who started off saying something akin to, “I’ve been working in the court system for over X years, so I know the criminal justice system but I’m not sure I even know what a ‘career criminologist’ is…” It was great.
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Unfortunately, one hour after this press conference, the campaign had the candidate deliver a press conference 30 miles away in Worcester. Ummmmmm. You mean they couldn’t see that coming? That the press would drop the surrogates for the candidate?
brightonite says
I like the pornography reference. I’m sure I. Michael Graham would eat this up. I can see it now:
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Deval Patrick believes in the rights of all inmates to masturbate
mo-jo says
The Herald, was once revered as a legitimate new source, it has turned into Gossip Mongrels haven, as we all remembered the Herald endorsed AG Thomas Reilly for Governor.
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No doubt they have been caught in some political web of control.
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Bottom line, no one thinks of the Herald as a serious news source in 2006 gubernatorial election. For all who follow the campaign, it is good night Irene, when it comes to the Herald!
rollbiz says
But even more mystifying, they endorsed Deb Goldberg for LG.
rollbiz says
But even more mystifying, they endorsed Deb Goldberg for LG.
peter-porcupine says
…but Decided to make an object lesson of it.
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MoJo – MILLIONS of people read the Herald. As many, if not more, than the Glob. They also listen to Howie, work in the trades, eat red meat, and admire the Patriots cheerleaders.
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If you lose this election, the attitude of this comment illustrates why. “…no one thinks of the Herald as a serious news source in 2006 gubernatorial election. For all who follow the campaign…”
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ALL who follow the campaign? Do you think you can win without your lunchbucket Democrats? Displaying such snootiness BEFORE YOU ARE ELECTED makes many Dems reluctant to trust you with any more power.
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(And MoJo – this is NOT personally directed at you. It is a pervasive attitude here, which you happened to encapulate beautifully. Please do not take personal offense, as none is intended.)
david says
your specifics are wrong. “Millions” do not read the Herald, or the Globe for that matter (a big deal was recently made of the Globe’s circulation dipping below 400,000). And the Globe’s circulation is around twice the Herald’s, IIRC.
sabutai says
I’ve been challenged on this point, and I sadly do not have the statistical reference handy, but I clearly recall reading that in-state circulation figures put the Herald over the Globe.
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More importantly, which paper do undecided voters read? The typical undecided voter is middle-class, a habitual voter with low-to-medium news consumption. Sounds like a Herald teader to me.
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Herald 230k
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Globe 600k
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“Largest reported circulation” is the cite. Not sure what that means.
peter-porcupine says
..on Greater Boston.
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He said the LAST time the Glob changed hands, it was a newspaper with a web site attached. Now, it’s a web site with a newspaper attached.
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All those circulation stats are for hard copy, old fashioned delivery – and personally, I’d like to know if it includes newsstand sales or if it is home delivery. Lots of guys selling the Herald for 25 cents in the AM in Boston!
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I have not PURCHASED a Boston Glob for years, but I still know what it says every day. And I’m not alone.
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So really – we have no firm numbers on who is reading the Herald. But your response was still nit-picky.
centralmassdad says
David-
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I read the Herald articles via the links posted above. I’m sure others did as well. Circulation figures may not be a good proxy for influence.
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centralmassdad says
that your post is an excellent example of the phenomenon called “cocooning.”
peter-porcupine says
nopolitician says
I’m amazed the Herald can print such crap as news. The lead line of the first link was:
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Using the Herald’s standards, it could be said that Kerry Healey has proposed giving convicted murderers and rapists a tax cut, demanding that they be allowed to use their money any way they see fit.
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I hope that Deval Patrick asks Kerry Healey if she has, or intends to propose legislation to take away juice, milk, proper ventilation, warm tuna, cold drinks, clean linens, and sports equipment from prisoners in Massachusetts prisons.
lrosen says
The man’s job at the time was to protect the civil rights of American citizens- not just the citizens who deserve it.
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So somebody combed through thousands of pages of letters Deval wrote when he was at Justice and picked out a few sentences that could be embarrassing. Big whoop!
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And does anyone really believe that Dave Wedge and the other hard-working journalists at the Herald actually did all this reading? Obviously, it’s from folks Healey paid to dig crap up.
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I have actually no problem with this, but last night Healey was on Howie Carr’s show and he was a crowing about more Deval letters coming out and a story the Herald would have the next day. Healey could barely contain her glee, but said she didn’t know what he was talking about and said to Howie, “you probably know more than we do.” She was obviously lying.
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I just hope Deval’s had the foresight to identify some obscure & misleading stuff in Healey’s background. I’m sure the Herald will be happy to write 5 articles about it.
peter-porcupine says
Like I said on another thread, if Patrick had been up front, said, yes – I was involved until the DNA proved him guilty, I did have genuine questions about racism, to the extent that I helped to fund that DNA test..
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It would have been a non-story.
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As it is, his defensiveness and painstaking non-apology have provided a window into his holier-than-thou mindset, and THAT is what has damaged him.
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Not the letters – the furtiveness.
lrosen says
Peter- that’s true, the response hurt more than the actual letters. Those were also when he was a private citizen.
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These one’s were from when he in charge of enforcing civil rights for the whole United States. My main point is that the Herald (which, of course, does matter- especially what’s on the front page) is over-trying to make a weak story into a shocking disclusure. And they are counting on poeple ignorance to do it.