Blue Mass Group

Reality-based commentary on politics.

  • Shop
  • Subscribe to BMG
  • Contact
  • Log In
  • Front Page
  • All Posts
  • About
  • Rules
  • Events
  • Register on BMG

Patrick/Murray Technology Working Group Takes on ODF and Microsoft

December 6, 2006 By rit

The Patrick/Murray transition team Technology Working Group (that’s a mouth-full) has an online community meeting planned for December 11th @ 7:00pm on BMG.  How about we start pulling together a list of topics to cover?

The diary on the ODF battle with Microsoft is definitely a great place to start Will Open Source Software Get a Fair Shot in Patrick’s Administration?.  But what other issues should be raised with the working group?  Anyone have thoughts on opportunities for cost savings, new technologies that should be brought to bear, inefficiencies in the current system, etc.

One of my all-time favorite areas is telecom (yawn if you like telecom).  There are always opportunities there to save some money and create some efficiencies.  MPLS (MultiProtocol Label Switching), for example, is becoming more prevalent as the next generation of frame-relay and is already available from a number of carriers in the Commonwealth (except Verizon, of course).  MPLS could be used to consolidate a significant number of voice and data circuits thus saving major dollars and simplifying management of the telecom infrastructure.  Sorry if this is too techie but I thought it could be a good example.  I’m sure the working group would like to hear other ideas (techie and non-techie) from the community.

Please share widely!
fb-share-icon
Tweet
0
0

Filed Under: User Tagged With: massachusetts, meeting, microsoft, murray, odf, patrick, technology, transition, working-group

Comments

  1. lynne says

    December 6, 2006 at 2:00 pm

    Is competition in the state’s telecomm industries fair, or are there more steps we can take to ensure that we do not have telecom monopolies?

    <

    p>
    Verizon is a terrible carrier, I have had more problems with them than anyone, both residential and commercially…having good viable affordable (competative) alternatives is imperative to holding giants like Verizon accountable to their customers. With these guys, we can only vote with our money (as in, go elsewhere). Is there enough competition to ensure that?

    • rit says

      December 6, 2006 at 3:03 pm

      I definitely believe there are enough alternatives out there.  In my various jobs I’ve dealt with Paetec, One Communications (formed by merger of Choice One, CTC Communications, and Conversant), Global Crossing, XO Communications, AT&T, MCI, and Sprint (plenty more out there).  I have been able to get pricing significantly below that of Verizon for voice and data lines.  The problem with Verizon is two-fold.  First, their pricing (at least to the public) is controlled by statute (FCC I think) so it’s hard from them to compete.  Second (and most important), Verizon pretty much always controls the last “quarter-mile” of any circuit.  Basically the copper or fibre that runs from the closest CO (Central Office) to the end user’s location.  So you can never escape them completely.  However, you can reduce your dependency on them by working through one of the other carriers.  When it comes to problem resolution the other carriers can have more influence on Verizon since they control a large customer base.

      <

      p>
      I know the Commonwealth has a contract for wireless services (voice, data, Blackberry, etc.) with Verizon but no clue about voice and high-speed data lines with Verizon or any other carriers.  I would expect so, but who knows!?

  2. rit says

    December 7, 2006 at 9:52 am

    Here’s an excellent article from Computerworld dated 04-Dec-06 about the ODF battle:

    <

    p>
    Inside story: How Microsoft & Massachusetts played hardball over open standards

    • johnk says

      December 7, 2006 at 3:41 pm

      As I understand it the solution in place is using a converter for ODF.  Everyone can keep M$ Office and no longer any need for a Linux operating system. 

      <

      p>
      This week, Novell’s Open Office will include support for Open XML.  Wonder how that’s going to turn out, is M$ going to support both ODF and (their own) Open XML?

      • mem-from-somerville says

        December 7, 2006 at 5:28 pm

        Data format approved as int’l standard

        By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Technology Writer 1 hour, 29 minutes ago

        BOSTON – A data format used in Microsoft Corp.’s prevalent Office software line has been approved as an international standard – a move aimed at preserving access to documents created with the package for years to come. ….

        Microsoft submitted the proposal with Ecma International, a Geneva-based industry group that establishes technical standards, and got backing from other players, including rival Apple Computer Inc. Ecma International announced Thursday its approval of Office Open XML as a standard, touting the step as vital for document creation and archiving….

        <

        p>
        Is that a resolution, a standard?

        • johnk says

          December 7, 2006 at 10:39 pm

          MS came in later with their version (Open XML).  Do I need to answer why they came up with their own version instead of using the existing widely used/known ODF?

      • rit says

        December 8, 2006 at 9:23 am

        I guess it depends on the goal of the ODF initiative.  Is it to create a storage standard for all publicly available (which should be everything) documents so that anyone in the Commonwealth can access them without having to pony up for MS Office?  Or is it to move the Commonwealth away from a Microsoft monopoly and hopefully reduce licensing costs?

        <

        p>
        If it is the former then I don’t think Microsoft won anything.  Using a plug-in (or, down the road, any ODF compliant Office type suite) to store the files in an ODF format meets the requirements.  If it is the latter, then yes, Microsoft would consider it a victory since they continue to get the licensing revenue.

        <

        p>
        Another Microsoft victory would be if their new OpenXML “standard” is incorporated into the Commonwealth’s policies.  Hopefully that will not be the case.

  3. joeb says

    December 7, 2006 at 6:24 pm

    Indicative of BMG’s parochial vision of technology is the ignorance – on this list – of the most substantial public investment in technology, namely the E-Rate, at $4billion a year for the past ten years or so. In BOSTON, this has wired dozens of community centers – both public and nonprofit – with deeply subsidized T-1 and higher bandwidth at a 90% subsidy. In NO OTHER CITY has this taken off.

    <

    p>
    In other words, Boston centers spend $43/month to get the same bandwidth centers in Cambridge or Springfield or Westfield or Brockton or New Bedford or Methuen or North Adams would have to pay $1000/month to get.

    <

    p>
    In other words, there IS no serious state policy to access the net until or unless somebody in some agency figures out what they figured out in Boston: there is nothing in the law – specifically the Telecommunications Act – that defines either a classroom nor a library. That little hole is plenty to subsidize access in all kinds of places – community, commercial and others – for anything that gives any number of K-12 kids access to the net. With that access, kids and their families could do everything from sell crafts to learn urdu, and access drives content.

    <

    p>
    So why blather about Open Source or Microsoft or any of hundreds of other techie options when, outside of the major cities, kids and their parents are still trapped on dialup? Mostly because most of the techies in the campaign and on this blog don’t pay attention outside their day to day of chat.

    <

    p>
    Phooey. If you want to change the world, use the tools you can to do more for those who would change it even more.

    • charley-on-the-mta says

      December 7, 2006 at 7:19 pm

      that’s interesting stuff, JoeB. How about being nice instead of a know-it-all next time?

    • rit says

      December 8, 2006 at 9:37 am

      It sounds like you’re advocating a Commonwealth-wide policy that would be similar to the City of Boston policy, right?  Sounds like a good idea to me.  Anything the Commonwealth can do to assist in bringing the internet into public spaces is a good thing.  Schools, community centers, libraries, even town halls should be able to leverage something like that.  Any place that should be accessible to the general public.

      <

      p>
      I think a another question is wired or wireless?  In a wired model should the Commonwealth also subsidize the computers and software needed to access the internet?  Not to mention making sure they are both physically secure from damage and theft as well as technically secure with firewall and anti-malware software.  Or go wireless where the Commonwealth subsidizes the wireless infrastructure and people need to purchase their own computer and assume the responsibility for their own security?

  4. joeb says

    December 7, 2006 at 6:48 pm

    20 years ago a referendum in Cambridge called for municipal cable. Then MediaOne got interested, their silent partner Tip got engaged, and a second referendum called for privatization. In Spokane there was no Tip, so now they pay $20 for the same thing Comcast and RCN charge $100 to $130. The only reason we pay tribute to the fatcats is that they bought our political system. If we really won last month, we’ll take it back.

    <

    p>
    There’s no accountability for cable operators, but they use your municipality’s access to phone poles. All we get – at most – for that privilege is an underfunded local access channel. Your cities and towns have lots less expensive bonding capacity to broadband everything in town so why are we jerking around with the current players? Along with cable we might just add some green power sources and municipal gas and electric. If Belmont can have a municipal power company – and rates lots lower than neighboring Cambridge – what’s wrong with other cities? Decentralizing power is the easiest way to delay or deny global warming, and that same decentralization works even better, faster, and cheaper for cable and broadband.

    <

    p>
    A state policy that supports bandwidth at low cost, with public contracts for publicly owned providers, preferred bidding for providers with lower rates for public and low income clients, and some real challenge to monopolistic practices could effect not only a municipality, but the whole country.

    <

    p>
    The easiest transition is sympathetic municipal wifi, with state police support for subsidized emergency telecommunications and easy access via public roads, highways, and even the Turnpike for buried cables and wireless networks.  It works in cities like Austin, so what’s wrong with us here?

    • johnk says

      December 7, 2006 at 10:46 pm

      I know Braintree has a municipal cable company and electric which is far less expensive than Comcast.  Mansfield where I live has a municipal electric company and we have a lower rate then most other towns.

  5. lasthorseman says

    December 7, 2006 at 8:58 pm

    has so perverted western civilization that the predatory business practices pioneered by them have become IT industry standards.  Any switch away from Microsoft will be an improvement for all humanity.

  6. stomv says

    December 7, 2006 at 11:57 pm

    1.  Web pages should be BOBBY Approved for accessibility by those with disabilities.  Like wheelchair ramps, this isn’t particularly hard if considered during the initial design phase, but can get cumbersome when trying to retrofit.

    <

    p>
    2.  Never, ever, ever use ActiveX on a web page.  There’s absolutely no damned reason why a citizen of the Commonwealth should have to use Internet Explorer on Windows to access public information.  Ever.

    <

    p>
    3.  Never, ever make documents available (only) in Word or Excel.  The official documents available online absolutely must be accessible by folks with various operating systems and applications, including free versions of each.  Therefore, Word had better be accompanied by pdf, txt, or other format, and Excel had better come with csv or similar.

    <

    p>
    4.  Cookies.  Are they really necessary for that particular web page?  If they’re for statistical sampling, are you protecting privacy?  You’d better be…

    <

    p>
    5.  Privacy.  Protect our data.  Seriously.  No, seriously.  Get to know and love encryption.  Get to know and love restricting personal data only to those gov’t employees who need it — and only when they need it.  Get to know and love restricting gov’t collected data from law enforcement unless they have a warrant, and from private enterprise unless you’ve got the express written consent of each persons data.  The government must be very careful about the collection, storage, and access of the data of individuals.

    • dagnew says

      December 8, 2006 at 4:27 pm

      I’m a tech authority in NO way, but I am the tech coordinator for a small public school here in Massachusetts, and it’s been a pet peeve of mine for a long while that the Dept of Ed assumes most of the time that everyone they deal with has Windows, Word, and Internet Explorer. They have made some strides in making stuff available in html and pdf, but to really interact with their web apps, you’d better be using IE, and often times you need Excel.

      <

      p>
      This amounts to a public subsidy of a private corporation (which I suppose is nothing new), but it annoys the hell out of me.

  7. bluefolkie says

    December 7, 2006 at 11:58 pm

    I’m no techie, but I am dismayed that so many towns in Central and Western Mass still have no broadband access. I know Shutesbury and Leverett have been aggressively trying to get high-speed internet for many years, and other towns are equally frustrated with the non-responsiveness of Verizon and cable providers. 

    <

    p>
    In 2006, everyone in the state should have broadband access.  It’s essential for education, job training and development, health, grassroots politics, and for attracting jobs and employed people to lots of our smaller towns.

    <

    p>
    I hope the transition group will make this a priority.  No town should be stuck as an internet backwater.

    • rit says

      December 8, 2006 at 9:48 am

      It’s hard to believe in this day and age an entire town can go without broadband?  That’s unfathomable!

      <

      p>
      That definitely sounds like a priority which should be taken up.  Surely the Commonwealth can facilitate the wiring of these towns in any number of ways.  That would be an investment that could pay major dividends to the Commonwealth, residents, and businesses well into the future.

      • bluefolkie says

        December 8, 2006 at 5:12 pm

        Unfortunately, there seem to be lots of towns without Broadband.  I understand the free market problems, but it seems to me that high speed access is critical and should be universal.  Stan Rosenberg and Stephen Kulik are working hard on this issue in the legislature.  This year’s legislature created the Wireless and Broadband Development Council in the Office of Economic Development.  Pioneer Valley Connect and Berkshire Connect have more information about the really slow progress toward broadband for every town.

        <

        p>
        If you really want to see how pathetic the cable and DSL providers have been, check the Western Mass Broadband Availability Data Base.  I hope the Patrick administration kick starts the work already underway.

Recommended Posts

  • No posts liked yet.

Recent User Posts

Predictions Open Thread

December 22, 2022 By jconway

This is why I love Joe Biden

December 21, 2022 By fredrichlariccia

Garland’s Word

December 19, 2022 By terrymcginty

Some Parting Thoughts

December 19, 2022 By jconway

Beware the latest grift

December 16, 2022 By fredrichlariccia

Thank you, Blue Mass Group!

December 15, 2022 By methuenprogressive

Recent Comments

  • blueeyes on Beware the latest griftSo where to, then??
  • Christopher on Some Parting ThoughtsI've enjoyed our discussions as well (but we have yet to…
  • Christopher on Beware the latest griftI can't imagine anyone of our ilk not already on Twitter…
  • blueeyes on Beware the latest griftI will miss this site. Where are people going? Twitter?…
  • chrismatth on A valedictoryI joined BMG late - 13 years ago next month and three da…
  • SomervilleTom on Geopolitics of FusionEVERY un-designed, un-built, and un-tested technology is…
  • Charley on the MTA on A valedictoryThat’s a great idea, and I’ll be there on Sunday. It’s a…

Archive

@bluemassgroup on Twitter

Twitter feed is not available at the moment.

From our sponsors




Google Calendar







Search

Archives

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter




Copyright © 2025 Owned and operated by BMG Media Empire LLC. Read the terms of use. Some rights reserved.