As I said, Burma is a pretty clear case. Nobel Laureate Aum Sun Suu Kyi was leader of the National League of Democracy, which won democratic elections in 1989 (while she was in jail). The military ignored the elections, and has ruled Burma/Myanmar with an iron fist. She has spent much of her life in home detention.
This summer, protests spearheaded by Buddhist monks began in response to price control changes. The monks are politically active, yet sympathetic figures in much of Southeast Asia. In a style reminiscent of the Tianenmen protests, the scope and size of the protests has grown steadily. The latest manifestation had 20,000 people, and yesterday was permitted to visit Suu Kyi. These don’t look like they’re going to go away soon without stringent (read: bloody) countermeasures from the junta. The junta is somewhat isolated internationally, but still dependent on its neighbors for trade, and tourism is a notable contribution to the economy. Here’s hoping they pack it up.
Meanwhile, Pakistan’s falling apart. I mean, it’s always falling apart, but right now more than usual. President Pervez Musharraf is one of the wiliest folks in global government today, but you can only keep so many balls in the air. In 1999, he grabbed control of the country for democratically elected Nawaz Sharif, who fled the country before he could be arrested. Musharraf ha survive about 6 assassination attempts, and has been a okay ally on the fight in Afghanistan. Given how roiling his country is, Musharraf has taken some chances offering some support to efforts in Eastern Afghanistan.
The most recent trouble began when he ticked off the head of the Supreme Court, which has regularly begun ruling against him. Those rulings have legally cleared the way for former Prime Ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif to return. (Sharif did return, only to be deported within 90 minutes by the regime.) Bhutto keeps prevaricating about an alliance with Musharraf. This has served to rile up their heretofore dormant supporters. This in conjunction with ongoing mosque-based troubles in major cities, and new misbehavior on the part of the tribes of Waziristan (OBL’s last known co-ordinates) are becoming increasingly petulant. There was a suicide attack on the army there yesterday.
Though nobody would be sorry to see the Burmese junta go, I’m not sure about seeing Musharraf leave. I’ve never been thrilled with the concept of “our strongman”, but a democratic election in Pakistan would most likely result in a Islamist government — democratic suicide, if you will. Sharif is not a strong man, Bhutto even weaker (her popularity is deeply rooted in that of her late father, a former prime minister). Would either of them be able to hold off Musharraf’s cronies in the military, and Islamists among the population?
(PS: You will not find President Mahmoud Amahdinejad of Iran in the poll below. Anybody who sees Amhadinejad as anything other than a glorified spokesperson — think the Queen of England — is ignorant of Iranian politics and probably shouldn’t talk about them.)
raj says
I’m actually quite serious. None of the other people are trying to run around the world damaging things like a bull in a china shop. As far as I can tell, none of the other leaders that you mention are particularly interested in doing anything similar.
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I’ve read reports of the recent uprisings in Myanmar in the press here in Germany, and the problems in Pakistan were in American press before we came over to Germany in mid-July.
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Your point that free democratic elections in Pakistan might lead to an Islamist government are well taken: one point I’ve made elsewhere is that, people should be careful what you wish for (democratic elections) because it might come back to haunt them.
joeltpatterson says
Any look at history shows that Great Powers have done the most damage when they are run by unwise leaders (GWB). This is why the UN is a success–as bad as things might have been with the Cold War (and the dirty little wars), the UN prevented a repeat of World Wars One and Two, in which great powers launched all their ammunition at each other.
pablo says
George W. Bush would have to be atop of the list if you consider the impact on the world. Sure, some of these tinhorn dictators and petty tyrants can make things very miserable for their nation and region, but GWB has just made things worse on a global basis.
sabutai says
My post was directed largely at domestic conditions. In terms of world impact, even a mildly incompetent American President can really wreak havoc (Hoover comes to mind) because of the whole “America sneezes, world gets the flu” type of thing. Bush is incompetent, but Americans aren’t eating grass to survive.
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If we get to issues of scale, then it will always be a 3-way race between the leaders of the US, China, and India. China and India is destroying the environmental balance of Asia, so where do their leaders fit in? How do you weigh the brutalization of Xinjiang and a policy of forced abortion on 1.2 billion people? What about the billion Indians suffering, having their xenophobia exploited by the BJP? Iraq is very dramatic, but it’s approximate to the seething chaos of Eastern India, which we never read about. This is always a tough exercise.
kbusch says
Where might we start to read about it? This is something I didn’t know about and I’ve made a mild effort to get to learn more about India.
lasthorseman says
was my first choice too.
kbusch says
Very well-written, interesting, and informative. I haven’t been paying any attention to Burma and the U.S. hasn’t been paying enough attention to Pakistan.
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Three questions on Pakistan.
sabutai says
Musharraf’s negotiations with Bhutto are stuck on the point of his remaining at the head of the army. Regardless, even if he steps down he has that ready power base. He would be fair in thinking that after a bit of chaos, the Pakistani elite would want him back — similar to what happened to President Obasanjo in Nigeria. Considering 30 opposition leaders were arrested this week in Pakistan, I can’t see the elections being truly “free and fair”. I’d currently expect him to get some minor functionaries from Sharif’s parties, push them to the limelight, and pretend they are running against him.
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From what I have read, things are doing okay with India right now, mainly because neither country really has much interest in confrontation. Given who loose government control is in both nations, I can’t imagine much desire for conflict. Both have a lot more to worry about from China and the US.
goldsteingonewild says
Good post. I didn’t know about the Burma protests.
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I’m surprised you believe Ahmadinejad is just a spokesman. Perhaps once upon a time.
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I’d agree that Ahmadinejad not the most powerful person in Iran. That’s Khamenei, and with the other mullahs, it remains a theocracy.
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But I do think he’s perhaps the second most powerful individual.
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Newsweek’s Fareed Zakaria sees him as a central player.
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raj says
…Ahmadinejad is merely a front man.
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As far as I have been able to tell, Zakaria is woefully ill-informed, like Friedman of the NYTimes. Zak is glib, but his reporting is worthless.
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laurel says
to see such a comment from you. You generally stay above the fray.
raj says
…I will not hesitate to do so. Do you have a problem with that?
sabutai says
I agree with Zakaria that Ahmadinejad is more useful now than ever, mainly because Bush* is hyping him that way. However, he has no real competences within the government. The Iranian government structure is quite odd, and this is what the Constitution has to say about the office of president:
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I grant that they probably fudge a lot of the constitution in Iran, but this strikes me that the Leader’s shoeshine boy has more influence than the President. His only exclusive competences are awarding decorations and appointing ambassadors.
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* As well as Nicholas Sarkozy, who’s already acting like a real jerkoff. Good call on that one, France.
tim-little says
Is one that I’ve been trying to follow as closely as possible for the past few weeks. The BBC, not surprisingly, has had very good coverage, as has the Malaysia-based Buddhist Channel web site.
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It’s a bit nerve-wracking at the moment as there are rumors that the Burmese government is trying to infiltrate the the monks, to foment violence and provide an excuse for a military crackdown on the protesters.
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While prostestors were allowed to march past the residence of Aung San Suu Kyi on Saturday, the military prevented a repeat performance today by shutting off access to the street.
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For the moment a continued stand-off seems likely, as the monks and their lay supporters continue to gain political momentum. I am a bit worried that the involvement of larger numbers of lay protestors may embolden the government to use force, which they would be reluctant to use against the monks alone.
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Finally, the Buddhist Peace Fellowship issued the following statement on Thursday:
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sabutai says
September is a good time for protests, as university students are again together, and aren’t weighed under by their studies. The correlation between academic cycles and protests is worth noticing (protests also spike during exam time).
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I agree that lay involvement in the protests could bring this crisis to a head. The actions of a junta in the face of mass protest is unpredictable, be it the brief Soviet coup or the Romanian despotism. Tianenmen only became a problem in Chinese eyes when laborers began to join students and something similar may be on the verge of happening in Burma. The key seems to be to scale the protests too quickly for the leadership to act (and usually a display of courage in the military). Tianenmen was building gradually, Moscow in August 1991 did not.
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If Suu Kyi’s party joins with the monks at the right moment, they have a shot. Otherwise, I fear this will just pass.
tim-little says
The Christian Science Monitor also has a good article today on the ongoing situation in Burma.
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Here.
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The AP article on Boston.com also has an impressive photo.
tim-little says
Not surprisingly, tension seems to be heightening in Burma:
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The Buddhist Channel has initiated a call for support of the Burmese Buddhist Sangha (community of monks and nuns) here.
sabutai says
100,000 protestors today, and the government “warns” the monks to cut it out.
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At this point, it ends one of two ways: mass arrests and likely massacres, or the junta runs.
tim-little says
Sadly, I don’t hold out much hope that the junta will be cowed by continued protests. Certainly the vibe from Pyinmana is not particularly sanguine.
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I am certainly not an expert on Burma, however having followed these events for a little while now I do think that any forceful crackdown against the protestors — especially the Sangha — will only serve to weaken the regime in the long run. Presumably there is only so far that the base can be eroded before the whole apparatus comes crashing down — even in a Burma, where the country is sufficiently isolated to be immune from international pressure.
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The Sangha has served as an exemplar and a rallying point for the people of Burma, and any backlash against the monks and nuns will likely be met with resistance — overt or otherwise.
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For those who are so inclined, tomorrow (Tue., 9/25) at 10:30am Eastern time will be a 15-minute period of silent prayer/meditation/solidarity for the people of Burma (per the Buddhist Channel):
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Certainly it is my own hope that all people of Burma — Sangha, laypeople, and military alike — can emerge unharmed from this situation.
tim-little says
NPR gives a quick look on today’s All Things Considered.
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Also, the AP article in the above link finally mentions the elephant in the room — China:
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tim-little says
From the BBC this morning.
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Also more pix of the demonstrations here.
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Here
cadmium says
for dictators over the years. Sometimes it is religious leaders vs religious dictator.