p>1. That does not make the endorse a socialist [because Massalliance is not the best organized group, and doesn’t always fully fact check].
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p>2. Being a member of the Socialist Party means paying dues, and toeing a serious party line – and should not be used to tar anyone without checking that party’s roster.
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p>3. Someone may hold views that someone else things are “socialistic” or “socialist flavored” but that does not render the other person either a socialist or a member of the socailist party.
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p>4. I am old enough [I keep telling you guys this] to remember serious, harmful DANGEROUS red baiting – my own parents got hit badly for supporting Henry Wallace [Dad was born in 1912, Mom in 1917] – remember the House UnAmerican Activities Committee – which was actually a corrupt circus?
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p>So lets watch out and avoid name calling and be more careful, seriously.
EB3 is being snarky. He’s not “sorry” and is simply using this post to do one of his favorite things, which is to attempt to bash MassAlliance. His obsession with that group is beyond me, other than the fact that it is one of the few organizations that’s proven successful in changing the balance of politics at Beacon Hill to one where progressives are finally starting to win their fair share of races.
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p>As for you thinking it isn’t a ‘well organized group,’ Deb, I can’t emphasize how wrong you are on that. Facts do slip by from time to time, but that has very little to do with ‘organization.’ I’ve done campaign work that MassAlliance has been a part of and they’ve always been an asset. I honestly can’t speak highly enough of them, at least for a group with relatively limited resources.
eb3-fka-ernie-boch-iiisays
You’ve been watching too much Desperate Housewives Ryan
amberpawsays
I am curious, though, why does MassAlliance tie knots in your knickers, as it were, Ernie?
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p>I have never had any dealings with them, so I am not favorable like Ryan, nor do I have any desire to bash them, like you seem to, Ernie.
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p>Ernie, maybe it is time for a factual, well linked post from you – or Ryan from you – about whatever MassAlliance IS?? I am vaguely curious but checking out MassAlliance is really not likely to make it onto my “to do list.”
I’ve said I’ve worked with them before, personally. I’m sorry if I can’t link to the hours of advice they’ve given me, the thousands of doors they’ve made sure were knocked (often in a single campaign alone), the hundreds of volunteers their organizations bring out every 2 years, or the hundreds of political organizers and activists they’ve trained to run campaigns (you can put afertig and I on that list, for starters).
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p>They’re a progressive umbrella group that includes organizations such as MassAlliance, progressive unions like the SEIU, a few of the pro-choice groups, the National Association of Social Workers (mass branch), environmental groups like Sierra and social justice groups like Neighbor 2 Neighbor, etc. I think there’s 15-20 organizations in all. I’m surprised you don’t know about them. These are your peeps.
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p>Do you think those groups have done some good in terms of electing strong progressive candidates? If so, you should probably thank MassAlliance, because it’s often through MassAlliance that these groups impact campaigns. It’s through their work that we’re getting progressives through primaries and strong democrats through difficult elections in this state. Whenever the organizations are able to agree on a particular candidate, they make the endorsement, field volunteers and often even lead their own field efforts on behalf of those campaigns.
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p>Some candidates who benefited from MassAlliance’s help: Carl Sciortino, Katherine Clark, Lori Ehrlich, Bill Bowles and Sen. Donnelly. I believe they helped Sean Garabelley as well, but the special elections aren’t posted and I wasn’t involved in that campaign. And that’s just from 2008. I’m sure John Walsh would agree that in 2006, MassAlliance did quite a bit to help get Deval Patrick through the primary, when 6 months before that primary less than 40% of this state even knew who he was. I can only speak from a South Coast perspective during that time, but I know that the South Coast Coalition of Social Justice (a MassAlliance member) really led the effort in that part of the state – and Deval Patrick did far better than expected in that region in great part because of that effort.
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p>Essentially, MassAlliance represents a willingness of our many progressive organizations to try to come together and elect a wide sleuth of progressive candidates – so we’re not working against each other half the time, tearing each other down and splitting our votes. As I’ve already said, we wouldn’t be getting half these recent progressives elected if MassAlliance and its member organizations didn’t come together in common spirit to try to get change we all can believe in. And that’s what scares the bejeezes out of EB3, who uses absolutely insane arguments to essentially label them a bunch of commie bastards.
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p>I suggest taking my advice: whatever EB3 says, think the opposite. 9 times out of 10, that’s the right thing to do – 10 times out of 10 when it comes to getting Democrats elected.
any other jibes at my sexual orientation that you’d like to make today? Don’t watch that show. Sorry if I don’t conform to your stereotypes.
eb3-fka-ernie-boch-iiisays
Fantastic Ryan, now you have been victimized.
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p>Awsome dude!
eury13says
probably because I don’t think Kaufman has had an opponent since Mass Alliance came into being. No need to request the endorsement if you’re unopposed.
amberpaw says
Even if Massalliance HAS endorsed someone:
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p>1. That does not make the endorse a socialist [because Massalliance is not the best organized group, and doesn’t always fully fact check].
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p>2. Being a member of the Socialist Party means paying dues, and toeing a serious party line – and should not be used to tar anyone without checking that party’s roster.
<
p>3. Someone may hold views that someone else things are “socialistic” or “socialist flavored” but that does not render the other person either a socialist or a member of the socailist party.
<
p>4. I am old enough [I keep telling you guys this] to remember serious, harmful DANGEROUS red baiting – my own parents got hit badly for supporting Henry Wallace [Dad was born in 1912, Mom in 1917] – remember the House UnAmerican Activities Committee – which was actually a corrupt circus?
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p>So lets watch out and avoid name calling and be more careful, seriously.
ryepower12 says
EB3 is being snarky. He’s not “sorry” and is simply using this post to do one of his favorite things, which is to attempt to bash MassAlliance. His obsession with that group is beyond me, other than the fact that it is one of the few organizations that’s proven successful in changing the balance of politics at Beacon Hill to one where progressives are finally starting to win their fair share of races.
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p>As for you thinking it isn’t a ‘well organized group,’ Deb, I can’t emphasize how wrong you are on that. Facts do slip by from time to time, but that has very little to do with ‘organization.’ I’ve done campaign work that MassAlliance has been a part of and they’ve always been an asset. I honestly can’t speak highly enough of them, at least for a group with relatively limited resources.
eb3-fka-ernie-boch-iii says
You’ve been watching too much Desperate Housewives Ryan
amberpaw says
I am curious, though, why does MassAlliance tie knots in your knickers, as it were, Ernie?
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p>I have never had any dealings with them, so I am not favorable like Ryan, nor do I have any desire to bash them, like you seem to, Ernie.
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p>Ernie, maybe it is time for a factual, well linked post from you – or Ryan from you – about whatever MassAlliance IS?? I am vaguely curious but checking out MassAlliance is really not likely to make it onto my “to do list.”
ryepower12 says
I’ve said I’ve worked with them before, personally. I’m sorry if I can’t link to the hours of advice they’ve given me, the thousands of doors they’ve made sure were knocked (often in a single campaign alone), the hundreds of volunteers their organizations bring out every 2 years, or the hundreds of political organizers and activists they’ve trained to run campaigns (you can put afertig and I on that list, for starters).
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p>They’re a progressive umbrella group that includes organizations such as MassAlliance, progressive unions like the SEIU, a few of the pro-choice groups, the National Association of Social Workers (mass branch), environmental groups like Sierra and social justice groups like Neighbor 2 Neighbor, etc. I think there’s 15-20 organizations in all. I’m surprised you don’t know about them. These are your peeps.
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p>Do you think those groups have done some good in terms of electing strong progressive candidates? If so, you should probably thank MassAlliance, because it’s often through MassAlliance that these groups impact campaigns. It’s through their work that we’re getting progressives through primaries and strong democrats through difficult elections in this state. Whenever the organizations are able to agree on a particular candidate, they make the endorsement, field volunteers and often even lead their own field efforts on behalf of those campaigns.
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p>Some candidates who benefited from MassAlliance’s help: Carl Sciortino, Katherine Clark, Lori Ehrlich, Bill Bowles and Sen. Donnelly. I believe they helped Sean Garabelley as well, but the special elections aren’t posted and I wasn’t involved in that campaign. And that’s just from 2008. I’m sure John Walsh would agree that in 2006, MassAlliance did quite a bit to help get Deval Patrick through the primary, when 6 months before that primary less than 40% of this state even knew who he was. I can only speak from a South Coast perspective during that time, but I know that the South Coast Coalition of Social Justice (a MassAlliance member) really led the effort in that part of the state – and Deval Patrick did far better than expected in that region in great part because of that effort.
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p>Essentially, MassAlliance represents a willingness of our many progressive organizations to try to come together and elect a wide sleuth of progressive candidates – so we’re not working against each other half the time, tearing each other down and splitting our votes. As I’ve already said, we wouldn’t be getting half these recent progressives elected if MassAlliance and its member organizations didn’t come together in common spirit to try to get change we all can believe in. And that’s what scares the bejeezes out of EB3, who uses absolutely insane arguments to essentially label them a bunch of commie bastards.
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p>I suggest taking my advice: whatever EB3 says, think the opposite. 9 times out of 10, that’s the right thing to do – 10 times out of 10 when it comes to getting Democrats elected.
ryepower12 says
any other jibes at my sexual orientation that you’d like to make today? Don’t watch that show. Sorry if I don’t conform to your stereotypes.
eb3-fka-ernie-boch-iii says
Fantastic Ryan, now you have been victimized.
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p>Awsome dude!
eury13 says
probably because I don’t think Kaufman has had an opponent since Mass Alliance came into being. No need to request the endorsement if you’re unopposed.