Second troubling topic. Croft asked about the recently announced Afghanistan surge & withdrawal strategy. The core reason for the strategy that Obama offered, as I understood him, is that the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan is the Taliban’s stronghold and epicenter of attacks launched by Al Qaeda against the United States and others, and thus we must eliminate them in that region.
I find it troubling to think that we are going to expend an additional 30,000 troops, bringing our total to over 100,000, to “Clear, Hold, Build, and Transfer” in a country that is not really a country and is nominally ruled by a disrespected, corrupt leader. But more important is that Al Qaeda operates in many places and launched the 9/11 attacks from other places than the Af-Pak border region. In other words, there’s ample reason to doubt the need for this kind of war. And when there’s doubt about whether a war should be waged, we oughtn’t wage it.
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p>I guess Obama has arrived in the bubble since he can’t seem to feel the “consternation and anger” focused squarely at HIM. I knew we were in trouble as soon as he selected Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary. At first I tried to believe that he had some sort of foresight that we couldn’t see. But I now I think he was either duped or trying to be too agreeable and friendly when he first became President. You would think Obama would be savvy enough to not fall for it. I am really disturbed by the whole thing. While I never really jumped on the “hope” train, and “Yes we can” never left my lips once, I tried to have faith. Today, I have just about given up.
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p>Did Obama give any ideas about what he is going to do to solve the problem?
and I want that in place next year.”
This is the actual clip from the show where he quasi-sorta-addresses your question.
his solution is financial regulatory reform…that he wants in place by next year. The problem is why wait until next year? They should have done this at the time of the bailouts. If there is even a glimmer of a recovery by next year [and let’s know that they are already touting glimmers of recovery because fewer jobs are being lost (but no job gains) and people are spending less, but more than was expected, not less than expectations (absurd!)], there will be no motivation to pass the reform, or if passed it will be so weak as to be nearly worthless.
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“everybody agrees that the recession is over,” but he did not say when the unemployment rate could be expected to drop further.
but not on Main St. America. The banks are doing great, but that has not trickled down to the foreclosing homeowners. No bailout for those American. They are being allowed to fail. I guess we’ll just have to see where this goes.
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Same economic policies, same foreign policy, a little red meat partisan rhetoric thrown out every election to keep us red and blue while corp. bigs and wall st insiders run right up the middle laughing all the way to the bank, er, fed treasury.
How about that increase in contractors in Afghanistan? And Dick Cheney aint even in the Bunker!
What about that revisiting of NAFTA?
Outsourcing happening at greater pace. Oh wait Kerry says we will have job re training! Yippee! For wahat? Wal Mart clerks?
Of course, every time I say it, I find myself said “ridiculous” and then accused of “slander”
that you would be accused of slander for expressing that opinion.
Read the thread. He accused the Democrats of cheering Bush on:
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What I noted was that a great many Democrats cheered him on. I certainly never suggested that all did, nor even that most did — but only that more than enough did so that a filibustering of enactment of his policies in the Senate lacked feasibility, hence permitting it. Frankly, this seems so transparently clear on its face, I’m surprised that you’re debating it.
You may think it’s transparently clear, but you’ve yet to provide an example of one, let alone a “great many,” Democrats who cheered Bush on. As JimC correctly pointed out, people who went against Bush were accused of being traitors. Going along is a far cry from cheering.
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I frequently found myself wondering why my fellow Democrats were so fearfully quiet during much or most of the Bush era.
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That’s still nowhere near “cheering on” which is what he got called on.
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I suggest, though, that the public record of too many Democrats on things like the Patriot Act goes well beyond “going along”. Let me offer a typical example, in this case from this piece (helpfully provided by the “World Socialist Web Site) (emphasis mine):
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Joementum was a big fan of Bush’s wars, and back before he lost that primary, he was a Democrat. He was not alone, either.
Here’s an interesting essay from 2007
surpassed by Tiger Woods’ wife for making him quit golf. Vengeance tastes so sweet. In 2010 there will be 36 Senate seats up for reelection/election. People may want to exact a beating on Joe but they should be worried about him after 2010.
How do you figure?
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He inherited some really bad problems. He didn’t realize things were this bad when he was campaigning for “change we could believe in”. He’s trying very hard and these are really hard problems. He really did think the Stimulus Bill would keep unemployment under 8% (oops!). Can’t wait to see what happens next.
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Taibbi has published a response to Fernholz’s post somewhere, but I couldn’t find it. Anyway, IMHO most of Fernholz’s “gotchas” weren’t all that impressive — nibbling around the edges at minor factual issues, not cutting the heart out of Taibbi’s basic thesis.
http://trueslant.com/matttaibb…
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It seems to me, from reading through to the posts you cite, that they agree with the thrust of the argument and call out Taibbi for some specific mistakes (good work!) but also assert at places that he doesn’t go far enough, or could make a better case for, his essential thesis. Prospect:
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If he’s so angry at the firms for handing out bonuses, then why is he not requiring the limits? Why does he want so badly for the firms to participate in the rescue plan? Why can’t he say, “OK folks, we’ll offer you this money, but here are the stipulations. If you don’t like the stipulations, then fine, go under then – it’s your call.”?
The interview was embarrassing. I wondered if the president is even in the loop. Who’s in charge? The Treasury (a wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs)? The Pentagon (a wholly owned subsidiary of the military/Industrial complex)? Except for the most rabid Democratic Party apparatchiks I know, there is great disappointment in the person we supported for “Hope” and “Change”. Perhaps the government can’t be changed. Perhaps we will spiral down to collapse as so many countries have. Maybe we’re not good enough to keep ideals of the Revolution alive.
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p>“…a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” -A. Lincoln
In his AlterNet article, “Are Americans a Broken People? Why We’ve Stopped Fighting Back Against the Forces of Oppression”, psychologist Bruce levine says we are demoralized for a variety of reasons and what will set us free is building our morale.
In 1976, the Bicentennial, the mood of the people was down. The economy was sick from payment for a seemingly endless war, scandal was rampant in government, the future was bleak. (hmmm.) The people weren’t all that behind the celebration.
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by being outspoken and unafraid to state what he was for and against. That period you cite was essentially the Reagan Era. What we are finding is that Obama, by contrast, shrinks from saying – and more important, doing – what he’s really for and against. I submit that were he to do that, people would admire and support him. Unless, of course, at heart, he’s really for the Wall Street Biggies and The Long War. It is Obama’s lack of clarity and apparent obsession with finding a middle ground to please all sides that makes us wonder what he’s really for.
I don’t know how true this is, but if the percentage is really only 10%, the guy has problems.
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he is not alone in thinking this way.
There’s been a lot of hemming and hawing about the size of Wall Street bonuses. That’s the wrong problem. The problem is the purpose of Wall Street bonuses.
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I’d like to once again recommend “Where Are the Customer’s Yachts?“
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I’m reminded of Calvin Trillin’s excellent op-ed contribution. He tells a story where it is generational. For the older generation, the nice but not-so-bright guys took jobs on Wall Street; for the next generation the smart guys took jobs on Wall Street. Here’s what happened: