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Am I off the track?

December 28, 2014 By Donald Green

I have read and reread the timeline of the murders of two police officers in Brooklyn by Mr. Brinsley.

At 5:48am of the day of the murder the Baltimore police know about the shooting of his girlfriend, know he has her cell phone, and start pinging his movements.  From the pinging they track him as he gets on the bus to NYC at 6:35am, and still get a signal as the bus arrives in NYC over 4 hours later. The cell phone locates him on a subway to Brooklyn.  At noon he discards the phone some 6 hours from his original crime.

In the meantime the Baltimore police call the NYC police some 7 hours later.  A description of the suspect arrives by fax at a Brooklyn precinct 3 minutes after the policemen are killed. They are informed too late of the dangerous profile of the killer.

Many questions come to mind along with what are the real lessons to be learned.  Was this incident racist in any manner?  Do the police departments involved bear some responsibility?  Is turning your back while in uniform insubordination and cause for discipline?  Just what do these police officers perceive as “anti police”? Should the Mayor, the Police Commissioner, and police reps sit down behind closed doors, and figure out and iron out what are the issues that divide all the players in this tragic affair?

This incident should be fully investigated to stall any further frustrations, anger, and hatred no matter who is at fault.  Do others here have any input to what seems to me as the wrong lessons about to be learned to everyone’s detriment.

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  1. methuenprogressive says

    December 28, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Left out of your time line is the shooter’s posts to social media declaring his intent and his procurement of the weapon and ammunition.

    Was this incident racist in any manner?

    It was probably racially motivated.

    Do the police departments involved bear some responsibility?

    For two NYPD officers being murdered? No.

    Is turning your back while in uniform insubordination and cause for discipline?

    The mayor holds no place in the department’s chain of command. So, no.

    Just what do these police officers perceive as “anti police”?

    The mayor, whose family receives around the clock protection from scores of various NYPD personnel, went on national TV to declare he teaches his children that because they’re bi-racial they should fear the NYPD. That’s certainly not “pro-police.”
    As to your last question, an apology by the mayor would be a good start in repairing the damage he’s caused.

  2. sabutai says

    December 28, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Most of what you said, I agree with. There is no way to tie this incident with cases of police brutality beyond the fact that the murderer claimed them as motivation.

    Yet at the end say that the mayor “teaches his children that because they’re bi-racial they should fear the NYPD. That’s certainly not ‘pro-police.’ ” Yet it’s pro-reality. The numbers are inarguable, and I don’t want a mayor who apologizes for understanding reality.

    • methuenprogressive says

      December 28, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Just what do these police officers perceive as “anti police”?

      He, his wife, and his children are never without NYPD protection. His kids are surrounded at all times by detail officers who are putting their lives on the line to protect them. That’s the reality the mayor failed to understand.

      • paulsimmons says

        December 28, 2014 at 5:07 pm

        Even black NYPD officers are victimized:

        Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

        The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

        • methuenprogressive says

          December 28, 2014 at 7:04 pm

          while being ferried to his exclusive high school in an armored SUV being driven by his NYPD protection detail. The detail he has been “trained” to fear by his parents.

          The information you’ve provided is interesting, and a sad reflection on our society. Tangential to de Blasio’s hypocrisy and incendiary rhetoric, though.

          • kbusch says

            December 28, 2014 at 8:12 pm

            Tangential to de Blasio’s what?

            Why must I be force on BMG to read such unsubstantiated nonsense?

      • chris-rich says

        December 29, 2014 at 6:57 am

        And actual grownups do their jobs without expecting special considerations or a get out of criticism free card.

        The NYPD was traumatized by 9/11 and then enjoyed a long run of overcompensation.

        But they have a checkered history of corruption, inept racial killings and arrogance. This mess is disgraceful and the tantrums are disgusting.

        The shooter had priors in Brooklyn and ignored all his probation requirements but no one seems to have followed up. Those poor cops were partly killed by NYC Justice system sloth and incompetence probably aggravated by shrinking budgets and staff stress because we have to give rich assholes tax breaks and shrink government.

  3. Donald Green says

    December 28, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    that the perpetrator was allowed to travel freely knowing where he was for 8 hours after he committed a crime with a gun. There was no contact between departments until it was too late. This incident needs investigation why police in Brooklyn were not warned and why he was not safely apprehended before he had a chance to harm anyone else.

    • methuenprogressive says

      December 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm

      There’s been considerable reporting on that investigation.

      • Donald Green says

        December 28, 2014 at 7:33 pm

        but no investigation of the large lapse of time. I would think the police themselves would wonder they did not give a quicker heads up to the NYC police.

  4. Christopher says

    December 29, 2014 at 12:03 am

    Sure, NOW there may be little chance of his having too much trouble with cops, but those chances were almost certainly higher before his father became the Mayor.

    Technically, the Mayor is the ultimate superior to all the police department. Legally, the cops may have a first amendment case, but I think they are being awfully petty and thin-skinned. If DeBlasio in any way disciplines them, though, HE will be the one to appear thin-skinned.

    • jotaemei says

      December 29, 2014 at 2:40 am

      This argument that the mayor should apologize for being honest about the police and his concerns for the safety of his son is beyond the pale.

      There are a few additional unethical arguments being put forward by methuenprogressive. These are mostly unethical in how they are arguments against accountability, progress, empathy, or responsibility:

      * People should not be able to criticize or question the actions of those whose job it is to protect them (whose employers are the taxpayers and citizenry)

      * People shouldn’t speak out against injustices if themselves and their family members are not likely to face these injustices

      * Public employees (the police) should not have to conduct themselves honorably while wearing their uniforms if they are offended

      • jotaemei says

        December 29, 2014 at 3:37 am

        This is profoundly personal for me. I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said, I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens. I said to him I did. Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years, about the dangers he may face. A good young man, a law-abiding young man, who would never think to do anything wrong, and yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face—we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.

        “The NY Police Union’s Vile War with Mayor De Blasio”
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/21/the-ny-police-union-s-vile-war-with-mayor-de-blasio.html

        • chris-rich says

          December 29, 2014 at 9:07 am

          Here’s a piece from the gray lady about a trial for fraudulent arrests. It was back in 2011.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/nyregion/brooklyn-detective-convicted-of-planting-drugs-on-innocent-people.html?_r=0

          Under Rudy “Verb-Noun-9/11” Giuliani and probably under Bloomberg there was a policy of requiring ‘Arrest Quotas”…. Arrest quotas!!??!!

          What were they thinking, that crime is like a production process?

          And the main implement used in pursuing this arrest quota charade was the stop and frisk stunts that DiBlasio opposed.

          No cop shop in its right mind is going to pursue quotas for arrests. That’s something you find in crooked third world shitholes. No cop shop in its right mind is going to go out of its way to routinely antagonize constituents, especially on a racial basis.

          Arrests are cumbersome and expensive and strain the justice system. I love my own city PD here in Cambridge. They are required to have some sociology course credits and are exemplary. Their whole approach is to see an arrest as a sanction of last resort.

          When was the last time a Boston cop engaged in this nonsense?

          • paulsimmons says

            December 29, 2014 at 11:56 am

            This post dates back to the Skip Gates mess back in 2009, but things haven’t changed much, except that the CPD tends to avoid high-profile targets nowadays.

            …and while Boston Police don’t have the same reputation as their Cambridge counterparts for harassing black students and professionals for the hell of it, they tend to go overboard on stop-and-frisk.

            Greater Boston is by no means exempt from “this nonsense”.

            • chris-rich says

              December 29, 2014 at 2:07 pm

              But the other one could use some work.

              My partner, Dr. Thea James, an emergency room physician who would drive from home to work was stopped all the time for “driving while black.” And when the Cambridge cops realize she’s a woman, and a lesbian one at that, their unbridled homophobia surfaces. Thea now takes the bus.

              It’s loaded with crap code that makes it a handful to read. If a web person doesn’t have enough pride to turn out good content, it doesn’t help their cause.

              I live in Inman Square and the CPD has a boundless opportunity to profile its little heart out every Saturday morning at 2:05am when a wave of dance drunks hits the street with fights, drag racing, loud assholes and whatnot. There was even a bit of gun play a few weeks ago.

              CPD shows up, but mainly tries to get the crowd moving along. I’ve had to call them to help shoo a paranoid schizophrenic wino off of my building steps.

              Once again they have a perfect chance to engage in overboard stops and frisks but really, they’d rather just get Max on his way.

              The Gates problem was instigated by some busybody idiot neighbor who called CPD and if they have a fault there it would be putting too much credence in meddlesome idiot complaint callers while lacking a bit of common sense.

              That is a very important thing to understand about Cambridge, it is chock full of neurotic meddlesome ditz busy bodies who will call the CPD about things like unknown black people.

              I can’t speak for the rest of the region beyond assuming that it probably is a drag and more to the point, we haven’t had any Michael Brown or Eric Garner style killings in a while. If you have a date on the last one, it would be great.

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